Plane carrying Robredo crashes

[jon777]

True, we can't expect the aide to be able to save him given those circumstances unless he was a swimmer, marine or Navyman who's trained to keep his bearings under such duress. The job of the close-in aide is really to stand between his boss and a bullet.

As things are more clear now and the body has been recovered, it seems the aide was just lucky he came to immediately after the crash and was at the right place to exit the plane immediately. The only way the Secretary could have been saved given he was unconscious was if there was a team of divers right there and then.

i agree with vinj, the aide was supposed to take the bullet for Robredo. Aide's are somewhat like personal secretaries but they are not. They are MORE than that. There is a reason why close-in aides are police officers, not barangay councilmen/tanods or ***y 25 y/o's. Abrazado is a 26 y/o Senior Inspector. Not 55 y/o obese, unfit General. I expected a lot more from this guy.

Lalo lang ako nainis when he said that he could not find Robredo. Diyos ko, nakasakay nako sa ganyan eroplano, ang liit liit lang niyan. Kung Boeing 747 or Airbus A300 yan, ok lang. It turned out the former Sec was near the door. Paanong hindi makita? or baka sadyang hindi hinanap/tinulungan?

On the other hand, he did suffered a arm fracture. Although there are different kinds of fractures but if he suffered a compound fracture involving an open wound, then it is highly possible that he could not have saved the former Sec. kahit ako na experienced swimmer would have a hard time saving an unconscious person.

[CoDer]

i agree with vinj, the aide was supposed to take the bullet for Robredo. Aide's are somewhat like personal secretaries but they are not. They are MORE than that. There is a reason why close-in aides are police officers, not barangay councilmen/tanods or ***y 25 y/o's. Abrazado is a 26 y/o Senior Inspector. Not 55 y/o obese, unfit General. I expected a lot more from this guy.

Lalo lang ako nainis when he said that he could not find Robredo. Diyos ko, nakasakay nako sa ganyan eroplano, ang liit liit lang niyan. Kung Boeing 747 or Airbus A300 yan, ok lang. It turned out the former Sec was near the door. Paanong hindi makita? or baka sadyang hindi hinanap/tinulungan?

On the other hand, he did suffered a arm fracture. Although there are different kinds of fractures but if he suffered a compound fracture involving an open wound, then it is highly possible that he could not have saved the former Sec. kahit ako na experienced swimmer would have a hard time saving an unconscious person.

Yan ang problema sa kwento nya. Kesyo tumilapon daw nung una, then pangalawa di nya na daw pakapa ang boss nya. Susme ang liit ng eroplano, kamo na panic nakita nya ang boss nya na walang malay ayun iniwan na.

Ok lang sana kung naging honest lang sya sa account nya sa mga nang yari. Ipamana na yang aide na yan kay binay o di kaya kay skul bukol.

[ZENMasterTYL]

sobrang erroneous naman ng report na to from nepalese news:

The dead body of co-pilot Kshitiz Chand of Nepal, who had been missing since the crash of his plane in Philippines Saturday evening, has been recovered.

His body was found in the cockpit along with captain Jessup Bahinting. Likewise, the search officials also recovered the dead body of Interior Secretary of Philippines Jesse Robredo.

According to Nagarik daily, the plane crash took place minutes after Chand, 22, sent a SMS to his father Tek Bahadur Chand on the Father's Day.

The passenger plane, trailing smoke from its left engine, plunged into Manila Bay and broke in two shortly after taking off from the Philippine capital, killing at least 14 of 34 people aboard.

Sixteen people were rescued while four remained unaccounted for as navy frogmen dived into waters around 11 metres (six fathoms) deep for others believed trapped in their seats in the plane, reports said quoting Philippines government officials. nepalnews.com

Nepalnews.com - News from Nepal as it happens

[ZENMasterTYL]

napaka erroneous naman tong report na to from a nepalese news:

The dead body of co-pilot Kshitiz Chand of Nepal, who had been missing since the crash of his plane in Philippines Saturday evening, has been recovered.

His body was found in the cockpit along with captain Jessup Bahinting. Likewise, the search officials also recovered the dead body of Interior Secretary of Philippines Jesse Robredo.

According to Nagarik daily, the plane crash took place minutes after Chand, 22, sent a SMS to his father Tek Bahadur Chand on the Father's Day.

The passenger plane, trailing smoke from its left engine, plunged into Manila Bay and broke in two shortly after taking off from the Philippine capital, killing at least 14 of 34 people aboard.

Sixteen people were rescued while four remained unaccounted for as navy frogmen dived into waters around 11 metres (six fathoms) deep for others believed trapped in their seats in the plane, reports said quoting Philippines government officials. nepalnews.com

Nepalnews.com - News from Nepal as it happens

[ZENMasterTYL]

napaka erroneous naman tong report na to from a nepalese news:

The passenger plane, trailing smoke from its left engine, plunged into Manila Bay and broke in two shortly after taking off from the Philippine capital, killing at least 14 of 34 people aboard.

Nepalnews.com - News from Nepal as it happens

[ZENMasterTYL]

napaka erroneous naman tong report na to:

The dead body of co-pilot Kshitiz Chand of Nepal, who had been missing since the crash of his plane in Philippines Saturday evening, has been recovered.

His body was found in the cockpit along with captain Jessup Bahinting. Likewise, the search officials also recovered the dead body of Interior Secretary of Philippines Jesse Robredo.

According to Nagarik daily, the plane crash took place minutes after Chand, 22, sent a SMS to his father Tek Bahadur Chand on the Father's Day.

The passenger plane, trailing smoke from its left engine, plunged into Manila Bay and broke in two shortly after taking off from the Philippine capital, killing at least 14 of 34 people aboard.

Sixteen people were rescued while four remained unaccounted for as navy frogmen dived into waters around 11 metres (six fathoms) deep for others believed trapped in their seats in the plane, reports said quoting Philippines government officials. nepalnews.com

Nepalnews.com - News from Nepal as it happens

[niky]

Yan ang problema sa kwento nya. Kesyo tumilapon daw nung una, then pangalawa di nya na daw pakapa ang boss nya. Susme ang liit ng eroplano, kamo na panic nakita nya ang boss nya na walang malay ayun iniwan na.

Ok lang sana kung naging honest lang sya sa account nya sa mga nang yari. Ipamana na yang aide na yan kay binay o di kaya kay skul bukol.

Ever been in a plane crash? Or even a car crash (flipped over)? Or tried to get out of a car whose doors were already underwater?

Gulantang ka na... sobrang disoriented. Masakit ang ulo, malabo ang paningin (especially if you've been knocked unconscious). The doors won't open because of water pressure. You're under time pressure to get out and survive.

He came to after the crash, it was already getting dark inside the plane, it was underwater and filling up. If the Secretary was slumped over in his seat and his head was underwater, the aide would not be able to see him. Note, the plane was nose down (heavy engine pulls that part down first)... he'd be face down in that position and doubly disoriented.

In his panic, he could full well believe the Secretary was not there because he wouldn't know where to look.

Again, the aide is not a trained diver or survival expert. If he was, he could maybe have saved Robredo... but until the plane filled completely with water, he would not be able to open the door. That's why he had to squeeze through the window. With a fracture and a concussion, an untrained man would not be able to squeeze another person through a plane window. Hell... it would have taken two or three divers to do it.

Ibe naman siguro kung si Bear Grylls... or Jason Bourne (though taking air from the tires doesn't work... Mythbusters tried it...). But an ordinary bodyguard... alone... would not be able to do it. Hell... Bear Grylls probably wouldn't be able to do it without the magic of his unseen camera crew and back-up physicians and co-survivalists...

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And memory is a fickle thing. Try being beaten black and blue and have a plane break up around you and try to memorize every detail of what happened. Eyewitness testimony in a disaster is the worst source of data. Because no two witnesses will remember it the same.

[ZENMasterTYL]

a body was recovered off masbate coast. they have yet to confirm the identity of the body. baka eto na yung co-pilot

[CoDer]

Ever been in a plane crash? Or even a car crash (flipped over)? Or tried to get out of a car whose doors were already underwater?

Gulantang ka na... sobrang disoriented. Masakit ang ulo, malabo ang paningin (especially if you've been knocked unconscious). The doors won't open because of water pressure. You're under time pressure to get out and survive.

He came to after the crash, it was already getting dark inside the plane, it was underwater and filling up. If the Secretary was slumped over in his seat and his head was underwater, the aide would not be able to see him. Note, the plane was nose down (heavy engine pulls that part down first)... he'd be face down in that position and doubly disoriented.

In his panic, he could full well believe the Secretary was not there because he wouldn't know where to look.

Again, the aide is not a trained diver or survival expert. If he was, he could maybe have saved Robredo... but until the plane filled completely with water, he would not be able to open the door. That's why he had to squeeze through the window. With a fracture and a concussion, an untrained man would not be able to squeeze another person through a plane window. Hell... it would have taken two or three divers to do it.

Ibe naman siguro kung si Bear Grylls... or Jason Bourne (though taking air from the tires doesn't work... Mythbusters tried it...). But an ordinary bodyguard... alone... would not be able to do it. Hell... Bear Grylls probably wouldn't be able to do it without the magic of his unseen camera crew and back-up physicians and co-survivalists...

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And memory is a fickle thing. Try being beaten black and blue and have a plane break up around you and try to memorize every detail of what happened. Eyewitness testimony in a disaster is the worst source of data. Because no two witnesses will remember it the same.

The guy panicked and went out to save himself. I never insisted that he should exhaust all means to save his boss, ayusin nya lang ang kwento nya.

He regained consciousness saw the water rushing in saw his boss unconscious the belt won't budge, water starting to fill up the cabin, there's nothing else he can do, and went out to save himself to tell the story.

That's it.

Chest deep water? Habang naka upo ba sya? or naka squat? Hindi nya na makapa? Akala ko ba the seat belt got stuck.

I've been in a crash before, nahulog sa mababaw na bangin ang bus na sinasakyan ko. First instinct was to tend to others who are injured. I guess iba-iba instinctive reflex ng tao.

[CoDer]

a body was recovered off masbate coast. they have yet to confirm the identity of the body. baka eto na yung co-pilot

Sana nga yung co-pilot.

[vinj]

Ows! madami sa mga kebigan ko models 2 yrs ago mahilig mag yacht parties eh.

Hehe... May thread dito regarding that before if i recall it correctly.

Ibe naman siguro kung si Bear Grylls... or Jason Bourne (though taking air from the tires doesn't work... Mythbusters tried it...). But an ordinary bodyguard... alone... would not be able to do it. Hell... Bear Grylls probably wouldn't be able to do it without the magic of his unseen camera crew and back-up physicians and co-survivalists...

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And memory is a fickle thing. Try being beaten black and blue and have a plane break up around you and try to memorize every detail of what happened. Eyewitness testimony in a disaster is the worst source of data. Because no two witnesses will remember it the same.

Too bad Aaron Cross wasn't around eh? I've been in a car crash before and you're lucky if you have a few seconds to decide what to do before the actual impact. After that, it's always that eerie sound of silence and confusion before you get your bearings together... and yes, there's always a 20/20 hindsight to follow soon after just as well. And that's just a car crash as compared to being in a small plane sinking in water after a hard impact.

Funny how a lot of politicos are jumping on the bandwagon. Some group even suggested he be buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayani (which is also in danger of becoming Libangan ng mga Bayaran) but i personally feel Robredo would always choose to be buried in his hometown.

[Monseratto]

Confirmed floating body is of the Nepalese Co-Pilot. It was discovered by a fisherman, who then tied the cadaver to the boat and brought it to the authorities. It was identified by the father throught his polo and watch.

[Ry_Tower]

Ever been in a plane crash? Or even a car crash (flipped over)? Or tried to get out of a car whose doors were already underwater?

Gulantang ka na... sobrang disoriented. Masakit ang ulo, malabo ang paningin (especially if you've been knocked unconscious). The doors won't open because of water pressure. You're under time pressure to get out and survive.

He came to after the crash, it was already getting dark inside the plane, it was underwater and filling up. If the Secretary was slumped over in his seat and his head was underwater, the aide would not be able to see him. Note, the plane was nose down (heavy engine pulls that part down first)... he'd be face down in that position and doubly disoriented.

In his panic, he could full well believe the Secretary was not there because he wouldn't know where to look.

Again, the aide is not a trained diver or survival expert. If he was, he could maybe have saved Robredo... but until the plane filled completely with water, he would not be able to open the door. That's why he had to squeeze through the window. With a fracture and a concussion, an untrained man would not be able to squeeze another person through a plane window. Hell... it would have taken two or three divers to do it.

Ibe naman siguro kung si Bear Grylls... or Jason Bourne (though taking air from the tires doesn't work... Mythbusters tried it...). But an ordinary bodyguard... alone... would not be able to do it. Hell... Bear Grylls probably wouldn't be able to do it without the magic of his unseen camera crew and back-up physicians and co-survivalists...

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And memory is a fickle thing. Try being beaten black and blue and have a plane break up around you and try to memorize every detail of what happened. Eyewitness testimony in a disaster is the worst source of data. Because no two witnesses will remember it the same.

Like I said in previous post, the aide is a policeman without proper training for emergency situation like this. I know 'coz my family has many policemen so alam ko training nila.

Moreover, the aide is injured and still dazed from the impact, we cannot fault him for relying on his instinct. I bet most of us will do the same unless it was a very close family member we are talking about. Maaring pumasok adrenalin rush dyan. Masuwerte sya at nagising siya while there is still time to get out. If not, RIP na din siya from drowning.

Then again, lesson here is that close-aide should be given more trainings para all-purpose na rin sila.

[Ry_Tower]

double post

[wowiesy]

Funny how a lot of politicos are jumping on the bandwagon. Some group even suggested he be buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayani (which is also in danger of becoming Libangan ng mga Bayaran) but i personally feel Robredo would always choose to be buried in his hometown.

Dami nga pulitiko na sumasawasaw na... President we never had? Isama sa curriculum yung talambuhay nya? Posthumous condirmation? I wonder if it s just the politicos being creative o media na rin na pilit gumagawa ng storya...

[CVT]

Itong si Villafuerte,- panay ang pa-interview sa radyo ngayon.... Kahapon with Taberna and then this morning, with de Castro....

Got this from the net....
Jesse Manalastas Robredo and Luis Robredo Villafuerte Sr. « bong mendoza's blog

I have a small story about Interior Secretary Jesse Robredo, whose death was officially announced yesterday after his body was brought up from the depths off Masbate island.

I have a big story about his nemesis, Luis Villafuerte Sr., currently serving his third term as representative of the 3rd district of Camarines Sur province.

I met and interviewed Robredo in 1998 when he was mayor of Naga City. I was then commissioned by the Associates for Rural Development (ARD), in turn commissioned by the US Agency for International Development (USAID) to do a ‘rapid field appraisal’ (RFA) of several local governments within the Philippines. Specifically, I was tasked to find out if the local government units (LGUs) were able to avail of the Local Government Code’s provisions for innovative fund raising.

Robredo and his city administrator shared that while Naga City was affected by the decision of then President Joseph Estrada to withhold a percentage of internal revenue allocations (IRA) across the board, the city still did well. They then told me of plans to build a new public market-cum-transport terminal for Naga City.

I met Villafuerte, fondly called LRV, earlier in 1976. Through a friend, I got my first job at the Bancom Group, Inc., the holding company of the Bancom corporations. Or so I thought. I noted that something was not in order because I reported to work at the Villafuerte, Zamora, and Associates, at the Solid Mills Building in front of the Makati Medical Center instead of the Bancom Building along Pasay Road.

Our group was soon organized as the Media Systems, Inc., and its first project was to publish the “Investment Banking in the Philippines” book in time for the joint annual conference of the International Monetary Fund and the World to be held for the first time in the country.

LRV was a feisty and demanding boss with very little appetite for niceties. Through the grapevine, we heard that the formation of Media Systems meant the final divorce between LRV and Sixto K. Roxas (SKR). The two were considered to be key to the rise of Bancom Development Corporation (BDC), the first merchant bank of the Philippines. SKR was considered the visionary while LRV was the operations man. LRV will soon ridicule SKR as ”strutting around as if he was God’s gift to finance” in his newspaper column. After the publication of the investment banking book, I left Media Systems and rejoined Bancom as a member of its corporate research group. There was not much space in the Bancom building so we had our offices in SKR’s personal library.

Ok, ok, ok. I am writing this blog post also because the epal and papansin (calling attention to oneself) remarks of a member of the Commission on Appointments. While the whole nation was in grief and praising Robredo, this person (who is better not named) quipped: We have been deprived of the honor of confirming his appointment. He then raised the possibility that Robredo’s confirmation be done posthumously.

The response of many: why wait until he dies before Robredo gets confirmed? Why was he not confirmed in the first place? After all, he has been in office for two years.

The short answer to these questions: LRV. A member of the Commission on Appointments has veto power. By himself, he can block the confirmation of a Cabinet member.

LRV is the uncle of Jesse. According to Juan Escandor Jr. of the Philippine Daily Inquirer Southern Luzon Bureau, LRV worked for the appointment of Jesse as chief of the Asian Development Bank-funded Bicol River Basin Development Project (BRBDP) and prepared him for Naga’s mayoral post. In 1988, Jesse was elected the youngest ever Naga City mayor.

Escandor continues: Both parted ways in 1992 elections with Villafuerte fielding his sister Pura Luisa Villafuerte-Magtuto against Robredo. Robredo made such a mark in Naga City politics making him the only political leader here whose handpicked local candidates all won in the elections without let-up since 1992, including the local elections in 2010, for seven consecutive elections. The cause of the quarrel between uncle and nephew? Robredo supported Fidel Ramos in his presidential bid against Ramon Mitra whom Villafuerte supported.

TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION ON APPOINTMENTS: SPARE US YOUR ATTENTION-GRABBING ANTICS!

JESSE MANALASTAS ROBREDO DOES NOT NEED YOUR CONFIRMATION.

HE IS IN A BETTER PLACE NOW.

HE IS NOW FULLY CONFIRMED IN OUR HEARTS!

HIS PLACE IN PHILIPPINE HISTORY IS SECURE AND CONFIRMED.

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[Boy Bastos]

The guy panicked and went out to save himself. I never insisted that he should exhaust all means to save his boss, ayusin nya lang ang kwento nya.

He regained consciousness saw the water rushing in saw his boss unconscious the belt won't budge, water starting to fill up the cabin, there's nothing else he can do, and went out to save himself to tell the story.

That's it.

Chest deep water? Habang naka upo ba sya? or naka squat? Hindi nya na makapa? Akala ko ba the seat belt got stuck.

I've been in a crash before, nahulog sa mababaw na bangin ang bus na sinasakyan ko. First instinct was to tend to others who are injured. I guess iba-iba instinctive reflex ng tao.

Kawawa naman yung aide. Nasisi pa ni Coder.

Pero kapag si Coder yung aide. Naligtas pa niya si Robredo. Pati yung dalawang pilots. Pati yung plane mismo maliligtas din niya. Pati yung mga isda mababaksakan ng plane. Ganyan siya kagaling at concern sa iba lalo na sa mga extreme cases.

[niky]

I've been in a crash before, nahulog sa mababaw na bangin ang bus na sinasakyan ko. First instinct was to tend to others who are injured. I guess iba-iba instinctive reflex ng tao.

The bus wasn't sinking in deep water at the time, was it?

[freeloader]

DI naman kasi si superman yung aide eh. Sobrang panood ng hollywood movies kaya akala nila madali lang yung situation na ganon

[CoDer]

The bus wasn't sinking in deep water at the time, was it?

Drowning will be the least of my problem if it was, phobia for Sharks will probably kill me. Frigin Jaws movie.