Palace to MRT passengers: Try other modes of transportation

[miLes]

2b is around 5m a day.

Sounds right.

I recall the government saying they subsidize the MRT by about 12p per passenger... so the ticket price is just 50% of that needed to simply break even.

Given the cost of operating the trains and the upkeep of the entire system, for a profitable MRT, passengers should be paying at least 30 pesos per trip, I think. Or, if they don't want to pay that much, wag nang mag-aircon.

Wanna play, gotta pay. Otherwise, we will never be able to spread the light-rail system to the rest of the metro.

even at php20 fare minimum, i think alot of people will still ride the MRT. sa mga dulo dulo sakay at baba, increase it to 50 or even 60. distance-price increase should not be linear since masmatagal onboard ang passengers therefore mas konti makakasakay in between, kung baga include opportunity cost.

i always ride line 1 and 2. min fare is 12 while max is 15. mali pricing nila, it should be less of a bargain for those riding longer

[niky]

even at php20 fare minimum, i think alot of people will still ride the MRT. sa mga dulo dulo sakay at baba, increase it to 50 or even 60. distance-price increase should not be linear since masmatagal onboard ang passengers therefore mas konti makakasakay in between, kung baga include opportunity cost.

i always ride line 1 and 2. min fare is 12 while max is 15. mali pricing nila, it should be less of a bargain for those riding longer

Yun lang... underpriced talaga. I know critics of the admin like to say that they're ANTI-POOR for not giving more love to the MRT (and they really should!) But the MRT is only one choice, and not for the poor. The poor still take Jeepneys and non-AC buses. The really poor walk or take bikes.

The MRT is only one part of the problem. Make politicians ride the MRT or the buses? Hell, that's no hardship. Go during off-peak, and they're liveable. The big problem is that there are not enough alternatives during rush hour. The big problem is that people are actually forced to ride anything to go distances of just two kilometers or so. Politicians should be forced to walk or bike along EDSA... to see how bad our human infrastructure has gotten.

Every time I walk around Manila (and not the scenic parts, but the back streets or along the highways), I wonder how hard it could be to design a sidewalk where two people can walk side by side without having to dodge overpass staircases, telephone poles and MMDA fences. If Manila were a nicer place to walk (like maybe with the interlinked elevated walkways of Singapore), then we could save millions of pesos in gasoline and diesel, with a system that needs a fraction of the maintenance of an active rail line or a city street.

Manila is not just EDSA, the inside of the office building, the malls and the bus and train stations. It includes the streets and sidewalks in-between. Without a comprehensive approach to human traffic, increased loading for any of these subsystems is doomed to failure.

[RC-V]

May suggestions na cut down yung mga stations or introduce express trains that go to the most heavily used stations. Para ma cut down yung turn around time.
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Yung Santolan Station ng MRT, dapat isarado na.

Yung Double Decker Bus sana ibalik ito.

[BratPAQ]

That comment left a bad taste. Imbis na maghanap ng solusyon eh lusot ang suggest.

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[luis_]

Di kasi nagbubus mga public servant natin. Lagi na lang sa bus sasabihin ng konduktor dalawang linya lang talikuran sa dulo at hanggang pinto punong puno at sinasamantala pa ng mga mandurukot tapos biglang preno pa mga driver. Masaya lang naman standing sa bus kapag chicks ang nakaupo sa harap mo. Hehe.

[safeorigin]

you also have to consider the fact that the trains aren't meant to carry that much people. Obviously, they will break more often than it was intended. Engineering can only do so much...

I'd rather have the trains (and all means of transportation) completely unsubsidized so it can operate optimally without being gutted by price control/regulation.

[niky]

you also have to consider the fact that the trains aren't meant to carry that much people. Obviously, they will break more often than it was intended. Engineering can only do so much...

I'd rather have the trains (and all means of transportation) completely unsubsidized so it can operate optimally without being gutted by price control/regulation.

That's the problem.

There was a scathing editorial from the Rappler comparing the MRT to the Skyway, which had much of the ring of truth to it, but in the end, you have to consider:

Skyway users are rich, so they actually pay for the use of the Skyway, whose upkeep and further development are paid for by revenue.

And the Skyway doesn't just benefit the rich... almost all the provincial bus lines use it, too, for their express trips. Almost all of the Alabang-Manila buses I ride nowadays take the Skyway. The only exceptions are those picking up passngers from Sucat and Bicutan, and if you're late for work, you're not riding those.

The MRT, on the other hand, needs continuous subsidy. Unless and until we pay full price for its use, then that will be the way it stays.

The question is not whether the government is subsidizing poor commuters or rich car owners more... they ARE subsidizing commuters every which way... cheaper diesel for PUJs and PUBs, no restrictions on secondhand importation for PUBs, subsidized MRT and LRT rates... the question is how much they can afford to subsidize... and whether it's too much or too little. Personally, it's both.

[Helios]

such is the consequence of a burgeoning population in a metropolis. transport requirements along with other resources will always remain insufficient

at the same time, the intensive urban development to cope with the rapid growth of migration from rural areas to cities will degrade the quality of life and the environment

a sustainable solution may lie in behaviour change towards walking, cycling, car pooling, driving habits, integrated travel modes, work scheds, etc. most of which are already being supported by some agencies

[badkuk]

i'd say electricity and maintenance would be the primary expenses. Sadly both are insanely expensive. It's like owning an expensive, ultra high tech car, and not having the means to maintain it.

imho, parang bitin din ang capacity ng MRT to start with. The problem now is, how do you expand capacity for the long term? Malamang babakbakin mga riles/terminals to accomodate bigger/longer trains. Just imagine the traffic hell that will generate.


What's alarming is that the trains/tracks/etc are already pushed beyond their service life. It's only a matter of time before we have a major accident.

Mention ko lang: dati pa namang pila pila hanggang bangketa sa MRT, esp. at the endpoints...yet lately i've seen frequent media coverage on this. Almost seems like someone's out to blame Vitangcol for the mess.

[CVT]

Mention ko lang: dati pa namang pila pila hanggang bangketa sa MRT, esp. at the endpoints...yet lately i've seen frequent media coverage on this. Almost seems like someone's out to blame Vitangcol for the mess.

Napag-tuunan na ng galit si Al... :hysterical:

Parang sinabi na rin ng gobyerno na maglakad o magbisikleta na lang tayo....

[chua_riwap]

Ayos din itong si coloma ah. Patapos na term ni Pnoy, si GMA pa rin ang may sala.

Eh dapat pala pag upo ni PNoy noon, inayos na yung fare structure para mas napaganda yung maintenance at di nabulok ang MRT. Bakit ngayon lang nasasabi yan?

[macsd]

Ayaw nila itaas nuon kasi babagsak rating ni ABNOY, gusto laging pogi points. Ngayon piangmumura na rin lang naman cya, pwede ng magtaas. Tulad din ng FOI bill, hindi pwede approve sa early days nya kasi tatamaan agad cya kaya sa huli ang push ng FOI bill para yung susunod na uupo ang tamaan. Kupal talaga itong si ABNOY, puro pogi points lang gusto.

Magsama kayo nila tanda at GMA sa 2016. :cheer3::cheer3::cheer3::cheer3:

[kimbon]

Ayos din itong si coloma ah. Patapos na term ni Pnoy, si GMA pa rin ang may sala.

Eh dapat pala pag upo ni PNoy noon, inayos na yung fare structure para mas napaganda yung maintenance at di nabulok ang MRT. Bakit ngayon lang nasasabi yan?

+1 here. in fairness naman kay PGMA, di na dapat sya ang may sala nyan. gaya nga ng sinabi mo patapos na ang term ni penoy. baka naman si PGMA pa may sala bat di pa married si penoy huh!
walang araw na di nagsisinungalin yan si coloma. may public apology nga pero kita sa mata nya na di naman ito sincere.

[kimbon]

tomorrow women's day pala kaya may MRT free rides daw on selected schedules. salamat na lang daw po, magalang na sagot ayon sa mga kababaihan.. ayaw pa po naming harapin ang kamatayan...

[kisshmet]

Existing contracts which were clinched by the previous admin would either be rescinded or be allowed to lapse

New contracts had to be above board & there seems to be no takers so far

Trains are mechanical conveyance so its subject to wear & tear. When fare is cheap drove of people will take it, resulting to overload & swifter breakdown

Old & creaky as it is, the coaches needs replacement. Trains are more complicated system, it has more parts than cars so it would take much longer to manufacture

Most people here are car owners & could distinguish the benefit of a brand new car against a worn down car

These are the issues the current admin is up against with. Either we become part of the solution or we aggravate the problem

Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country --JFK

[macsd]

Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country --JFK

I would like to agree on this that's why i risk mine & million like me during Marcos days up to EDSA 1. But where did it lead us to? That is why Juan dela Cruz now is complaining and voicing out cause if they don't, our politicians will just keep on screwing around busy filling up their own pockets & interest. The same manner that if Juan dela Cruz keep's on doing what our politicians should be doing, they's still be busy screwing around.

Just like yesterday when this moron Coloma prefer to pass back the blame to pandak instead of saying, this is what the administration is doing and will do. Is this the kind of assholes that our taxes pay for to make Juan dela Cruz believe as if we are a citizens of idiots? If there is anything to be done for love of country is to hang all these politicians so new breed of righteous ones would crop up hindi yung recycled trapos & dynasty.

[kisshmet]

^dude the trains were overloaded 9.5 yrs of glorys term..no rehab was initiated then..now the 4.5yrs of the current admin takes the flak

Its not easy to abrogate contracts entered into by the previous admin it have repercussions. Sometimes its better to let bad contracts to lapse rather pay for damages that abrogation may cause. As it stand the current admin have to push through with rehabilitation and i hope you understand that it will take time to manufacture trains

What we need to do is reduce the overload of those creaky trains. Thats the essence of the call of the govt

[macsd]

^dude the trains were overloaded 9.5 yrs of glorys term..no rehab was initiated then..now the 4.5yrs of the current admin takes the flak

What we need to do is reduce the overload of those creaky trains. Thats the essence of the call of the govt

Your precisely correct dude and if they have placed the order in 2011 when ABNOY was saying need to increase the MRT fare, trains should be arriving by now. But what did they do, dahil it will affect ABNOY's rating, they did not push through with the fare and only implement it now as it's already in his twilight of his term, so who cares about the survey. It's all about political will irregardless how unpopular it is, it should be done as long as for the better in the end. But this administration, as long as they have someone to blame, it prefer to sleep on the issue and just place the blame instead of making a solution.

[jasonub]

To the government

[BratPAQ]

To Abnoy: ikaw kaya, bigay mo sa tao ang convoy mo, at try mo other modes of transportation like jeep or bus.