Marcos; His reign vs. Noynoy's?

**antonath** · April 21st, 2012 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Monseratto

People say Marcos did a lot of things. Well, what do you expect from some one held on to power for so long... for many, he was the only president for 21 long years.

compare gloria to marcos.. atleast si marcos madaming project. unlike si gloria wala.

**oliver1013** · April 21st, 2012 06:16 PM

**Boy Bastos** · April 21st, 2012 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by antonath

compare gloria to marcos.. atleast si marcos madaming project. unlike si gloria wala.

Marcos style

Project Cost - $1M
Kupit ni McCoy - $2M
Applied Loan ng Pinas for the project - $3M

**antonath** · April 22nd, 2012 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Boy Bastos

Marcos style

Project Cost - $1M
Kupit ni McCoy - $2M
Applied Loan ng Pinas for the project - $3M

GMA style

Proj cost - $1M
Kupit ni GMA - $2M
Applied Loan ng Pinas for the project - $3M

project started: UNKNOWN
date of completion: UNKNOWN
project status : UNKNOWN

operation ghost protocol..

**renzo_d10** · April 22nd, 2012 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by antonath

GMA style

Proj cost - $1M
Kupit ni GMA - $2M
Applied Loan ng Pinas for the project - $3M

project started: UNKNOWN
date of completion: UNKNOWN
project status : UNKNOWN

operation ghost protocol..

project: CANNOT BE FOUND

:hysterical:

**Monseratto** · April 22nd, 2012 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by antonath

compare gloria to marcos.. atleast si marcos madaming project. unlike si gloria wala.

err...yung BRP Gregorio Del Pilar at yung mga SOKOL helicopters na inaangkin ni PNoy ay mga proyekto ni GMA. Pati yung PNP helicopters ni Fat Bastard...hehehe.

**Verbl Kint** · April 23rd, 2012 02:24 PM

Wrongly placed nostalgia.

People always have this idealized notion of how "the good old days" are much better than the present when in fact it is well and truly not.

**pop3corn** · April 23rd, 2012 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by renzo_d10

Would you prefer our country being led by Ferdinand Marcos over Noynoy? -- or over the people who led the country after Marcos' reign.

It has been said that Marcos had lots of good plans for our country, and it was the people who surrounded him that made him look bad and led him to his own downfall.

Marcos was also considered as a visionary.

Your thoughts?

It was not until I went to Europe when I truly realized what Marcos and Imelda are up to. as you can see Imelda is building landmarks in the Philippines with her so many numerous ambitious projects. it's true that it cost so much money and even lives but they had a dream - a long term one. something that the new generations of Filipinos can be proud of.

let's take for example, Singapore, HK and Sokor, the only reason why they are hot destinations in Asia by tourists around the world is bec. they have landmarks worth visiting. compare this to Vietnam / Cambodia and others like us, and even though we have malls, we are still considered low-class and therefore, is not worth of\\ the respect of developed nations.

wala eh ganun talaga eh, if we want big time foreigners to know our country, they would enter as tourists first, and when they're impressed, they will invest the 2nd time around they go here.

let's take for example, Rome and the whole of Italy, Italy is no different from us, hindi naman maganda talaga siya, mainit din, in fact it's old like Manila old, I even saw some slum-looking houses in Venice but the thing is they have these landmarks worthy of visiting and that's why tourists flock in.

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regarding naman dun sa allegations of Marcos summarily executing Filipinos, i'm beginning to understand why. Filipinos are just chronic complainers and blamers. magsisimula ka pala ng isang beatification project, puros batikos, complaints, tira dito tira doon, and when sensationalized, the project is marred with corruption.

hindi nyo ba alam ang nangyayari ngaun, what we have is Philippines run hell by Filipinos. out there, 10 years ago, we see jeepneys and buses, today, there is "progress", there are UV express, taxis, it's almost as if all money that we get is invested in public transpo. instead na public services ito like in any other developed nation, this public transportation systems become a lucrative profitable business na naka-tie up na din sa pagtaas ng gasolina. sa Europe sa US, rising gasoline dictates tightening of belts and reevaluation of existing systems for making it more efficient and effective. dito we spend more on a resource (public vehicles) that is in dangerous of having an oversupply - or a bubble waiting to burst.

During Marcos time, he knew the danger of too many public transports in roads, that's despite numerous attempts noon by complainers/ people to portray an image that we lacked public transport back then. it doesn't even need Marcos' intelligence for him to figure out na walang pupuntahan ang sobrang daming public transport dito, all he has to do is visit developed countries and compare.

if we are to read the minds / motives of these people profiting/benefiting from public transports (traffic aides, drivers, owners, political backers), they would wish na sana most Filipinos would not afford to maintain a car anymore and instead mag-public transport na lang - and that would translate to bigger profits for them. and that is backwards progress. instead, na nagagamit ang mga resources available for us this time to propel us to the next decade, we are just creating problems that will make us more handicapped in the future, while others countries continue to overtake us.

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another point is that ZTE deal, too many Filipinos complained that GMA is corrupting much of the money for that project. when was that 3 or 4 years ago? where is the fund for that project now? malamang na-rechannel din, and ubos na, and to another corruption deal na fortunate enough na hindi dumaan sa sensationalizing media.

if that ZTE deal push through, at least computerization and network infrastructure within our government, nag-start na sana if not our government is totally connected by now. who cares about the corrupted money, kung nagagamit naman isang project that will improve our logistics and operation, ok lang dwell on that benefit. eh ngaun, our government are still using what PLDT dsl lol. the government needs a seperate network communications infrastructure from the private.

tapos ngaun people are complaining about this China incursion. what are they thinking if we had 50 F-16s and 50 destroyers, may laban tayo sa China. so what if we really did have those war weapons, pano mo i-cordinate yun mga yun during war, sa unli-plan ng globe / smart?

we are indeed such a lowly race with so much time to open our mouths for complaints/blames and think we are on the side of good, bec. somehow if we are anti-corrupt, we think of ourselves as moral. we don't have the guts to think beyond the limits of social morals, and that's why up to now, ganito tayo.

if someone complains that he is an underdog, we immediately sympathize. yan ang sigaw ng marginalized drivers and puvs and activists natin, mahirap sila, intindihin natin sila. eto effect nyan, we have so much puvs on the road and anarchy, they don't pay taxes , they make us stressed even before going to work and make us late for work. and still we symphatize with them. ganun din yun cry ng corruption for every government project/deal, hindi pa nagsisimula sira na ang vision/confidence.

kung titignan nga natin, who really funds the reds/activist, whom we casually imitate with their complaints against corruption, is it the communist movement? who are the communists in our region? hindi ba't ito yun dalawang binu-bully tayo ngaun - the other one without care /remorse na bagsakan tayo ng missile. we complain so much -> we don't progress -> we can't defend.

If we think deeper, this is Art of War applied to us. hindi na kailangan magpadala pa ng battleships ang China dito, talo na kagad tayo from within by psych warfare. and it even costs less too. just find complainers slash nationalists, encourage their cries / shouts - (na kung tutuusin, bakit ba sila talaga galit na galit sa mundo, is it bec. of bad childhood and they want company to their misery) and then we have a disunite country.

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Marcos had a vision, but too bad his vision was not supported by most of the people of his time. para syang time traveler of the future in his time who had so much ideas for his country, too bad nga lang his people are primitive. they didn't share his vision, and even the sacrifices that they all had to make in that generation to pursue such a vision.

and as the younger generation, we should not buy that crap na lagi sinasabi ng mga matatanda, na ang kabataan ang kinabukasan. oo kinabukasan - taga-bayad ng utang nila, ng mga kapalpakan at pagpapakasarap nila. read history, learn to analyze it and act accordingly. our generation now has a very important ally - technology. something that the old can't/won't understand, and dun natin matatalo yun whatever na fini-feed nila sa'tin ngaun na only products of their failures.

**Monseratto** · April 23rd, 2012 02:59 PM

To those who have misplaced grandeur of Marcos vision for the country, do not forget the country was bankrupt and in sovereign default toward the end during Marcoses' 21 year reign. What vision are you talking about?