INC in trouble?

[BratPAQ]

Bakit si Ka Eduardo Manalo, tahimik. Being the head of the cult, he should speak out na. Hindi yung puro spokesman lang ang nakikita natin sa tv.

Yun nga, ang nagtiwalag daw sa mga manalo eh hindi so eduardo manalo kundi ang sanggunian. Nagkakawatak watak na INC, he can stop this by speaking. Kaso di lumalabas.

[BratPAQ]

Yun isang friend ko na may coworker na INC. Ayon sa kapatid na ito, nag aambisyon lang daw si angel at yun nanay dahil walang posisyon daw sa INC. At yun Jun Santos daw, mapagkakatiwalaan daw talaga kasi yun matandang manalo daw pinagkakatiwalaan yun

Anong kaya pinakain sa mga taong ito ng mga manalo???

Chismis lang

Yan din sabi ng cousin kong INC. Yan ang stand ng most sa kanila dahil yan lumalabas sa pagsamba nila.

If you think about it, mas madali maging corrupt sa INC kaysa sa government. Sa gobyerno konting mali ng kilos mo ang daming media at mamamayang pupuna sa yo. Sa INC walang media na nakabantay sa yo, walang COA na mag a audit sa yo. Yung mga kaanib eh programmed not to question their leaders. Samahan mo lang ng bible quote ang gagawin kong kalokohan eh tanggap na ng mga kaanib.

[beginnerz]

Yan din sabi ng cousin kong INC. Yan ang stand ng most sa kanila dahil yan lumalabas sa pagsamba nila.

If you think about it, mas madali maging corrupt sa INC kaysa sa government. Sa gobyerno konting mali ng kilos mo ang daming media at mamamayang pupuna sa yo. Sa INC walang media na nakabantay sa yo, walang COA na mag a audit sa yo. Yung mga kaanib eh programmed not to question their leaders. Samahan mo lang ng bible quote ang gagawin kong kalokohan eh tanggap na ng mga kaanib.

Very true. Blind following. Yung mag-inang manalo, magpapatalo ba?

[machine.pistol]

Got this from reddit.com:

I firmly believe I'm in a cult, called Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ). : atheism

TLDR; I'm in a "Christian" cult and I'm venting my frustrations. Chris Brown, the worlds largest indoor arena, and kidnapping is involved. If you're intrigued by Scientology, this is the real OG organization, est. 1914. Sorry for the REALLY long wall of text, it's worth the read.

Hi, everyone. I'm making this post because I believe I'm in a cult. For the past several years, I've changed my opinion on the subject of God- from being agnostic to atheist to completely unsure to thinking it's a possibility he exists. I still go to church, largely because my family goes and I was raised in it. I get internalized-guilt trips into going because well it's family and most of my friends (practically everyone I grew up with) goes there and are intensely devoted to it. If you miss going to church several times, there's a possibility you would get expelled and people inside just react negatively to your family and the response is generally "you didn't raise them right." There are also a couple of horror stories of people leaving the church and members coming to their house to convince them to come back. I'm just not ready for that and also I'm not financially independent & I still rely heavily on my family on daily living expenses.

I'm bringing attention to the church I go to mainly because there's huge allegations of the church kidnapping and torturing ministers who were supposedly trying to expose other high-ups (administrators, other ministers) of dipping their hands into the money people offer to the church. They would then use the money for frivolous, luxurious items. See about this here: 1, 2

It just feels creepy but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised it is true. I want to bring light to this "Christian sect." It acts very much like Scientology, but here's the thing: it's "Christian," so the thought of it and the possibilities of its' teachings make it easy for people to accept. Personally, and I think most of you would agree, it's a corporation. It's run by a dynasty family- the Manalos, and the end-goal is more money. Here's a wikipedia on the church if you want a somewhat quick history and summary of its teachings.

I'm going to list the things I find particularly off-putting:

1) You must attend worship service twice a week. There's a name card that YOU must flip, so they know you attend. Someone watches you do it. Currently, there's an announcement going around that for a month, they want an updated audit of all the registered members. They want a 2x2 picture of you and I didn't fill out the form last time (I was young), but I believe there's a lot of personal information that goes on there; social security number, home address, etc.

2) Offering is not mandatory. HOWEVER, they preach about it all time. That you should do it and it must come from your heart, no matter the amount. Basically, a guilt trip tactic, especially if people know you have a high-paying job. We have a special worship service at the end of year where you give the most offering. This offering (which is separate from worship service offering) is accumulated throughout the year from you. Last year, I gave $800. We have a couple of nurses and some people that give thousands. The people who check in and receive this money gossip about you if you don't give money or enough based on your lifestyle.

3) We have a lot of doctrines in the church, I can list two of the main ones:

We are the TRUE church, re-established on July 27, 1914. No one else. Ministers pretty much trash talk other religious doctrines. You know this when they start the sentence, "No offense to our guests..." then proceed to say stuff about how priests shouldn't be celibate and not allowed to marry, why you shouldn't abstain from eating meat, you shouldn't carry the cross or have pictures of Jesus, Mary, and other saints. It's pretty much all against Catholicism, the Philippines is 80% Catholic.

You MUST bear fruit. There's a rule of two-- you must convert two people into the church. If you're a parent, a child counts as half for both parents. Money, money, money! We've done house-to-house visits, like JWs.

4) Every lesson has been like this for the past couple of years: you must bear fruit (so you can bring us in more money), you must offer "from your heart," you must attend service (so we can collect your money), we are the TRUE church and if you leave you'll go to hell (so don't leave, we need your money). No lessons on life and living and love. It's all hate and fear-mongering, to make you feel bad about yourself.

5) The church is one hive-mind, the administration tells you how to live your life and thus, bloc-voting. In the Philippines, they tell you who to vote for, who to put into office. I'm not particularly savvy on this subject since I don't live there. From what I know, politicians lick the ass of church officials in order to be put into office. The past Presidents of the Philippines have been sworn in this way. No bad-mouthing the church either, if you do, career is over. Very corrupt system in a developing country.

5) The money, you ask? Where does it go to? Well to building more houses of worship, so we can have more people in the church. For the ministers' salary and travel funds, so we can spread the gospel.

Oh and let's not forget.. they built the world's largest indoor arena!! Estimated cost US$213 million, which could've gone to renovating the dilapidated churches we already have. Our church has a leaking roof =). That money could've gone towards charity, education, poverty, etc. But nah, they wanted to show the world God's glory. Here's the funny part, it's already falling apart, and the church is scrambling to get more money to fix maintenance costs. They built it to be quake-proof. Idiots, it's the Philippines, if quakes aren't going to get it, water will. It's already flooding and cracks are showing in the foundation. Think about this, there's an estimated 1-3 million people in this church. If every member puts a dollar every worship service, (I've seen people give $20), thats 3-6 millions US dollars EVERY week.

On the arena, it was mainly going to be used for church events, but because the church needed money so badly, they contracted it out for concerts and very un-christian events. Katy Perry has performed there and Chris Brown is actually stuck in the Philippines because he didn't perform and the church is pulling strings in the government to keep him there. This is to detract from the kidnapping thing by the way. Better to minimally be in the public eye about fraud with a major celebrity than have a huge scandal going on about torturing and kidnapping people.

6) Ministers live an easy life. From what I understand, they get a fixed income, depending on experience and "rank." Members of the church bring them lots of food or pay for them when they go out. Utilities, travel expenses, bills are paid for by the church. I think what they do is difficult, but power goes to their head. You should see how elevated these people think they are. The executive minister bought a private jet to fly around the world, "to visit other congregations"... it was millions of dollars (and is being hidden from church members). His whole family lives a very luxurious lifestyle as well. Well except for his mother and brothers, cause he just expelled them.

7) The church owns corporations under different names to gain better financial standing. They just lost the bid in making drivers licenses in the country. Weird how a religion has its hands on private, personal information.

8) Allegations of foreign, usually American, girls being forced to marry Filipino-born ministers when they "visit" other countries in order for them to work and stay.

I just feel bad. I feel bad because this church was created in the Philippines and they target poverty-stricken people to join. They target uneducated, naive people in an already VERY religious part of the world. It makes it very easy for them to gain support this way. I feel bad because my friends and family are all BRAINWASHED and CONDITIONED to be in this church. If I leave, they'd sooner abandon me and NEVER to talk to me again if I'm expelled.

I just want to make Reddit aware of this poisonous church, if you run into one & they invite you to a bible study. Stay the eff away, they will pester you and ask for your home address to visit you. There was around 600 redditors on /r/atheism as I typed this. I want more people to know how dangerous this cult and how invisible it seems to be behind Scientology.

Members of the church are celebrating the 101st year of the church. So whoever is in Washington, DC this weekend and you're wondering there are literally thousands of filipinos by the Verizon Center, it's cause there's a possible Jonestown kind of event going on.

However, if being told what to do for the rest of your life & if being fear-heckled by a 5'4" brown man is your thing, feel free to join.

I've typed too much, I'll try to answer any questions. On another note, can this post be traced back to me, even on a throwaway account?

[e2romo]

INC is very powerful because of their Block Vote. Part of the agreement for their vote is to position INC members in key positions in the government, including police, NBI, and military. Kaya hindi makagalaw yung police doon sa iligal detention drama sa Commonwealth. Chief PNP is INC.

Yung mga ministro na illegally detained hands-off rin gobyerno natin. Sa Cavite marami rin patayan na hands-off ang police kapag INC group ang involved. They are a powerful force to reckon with. Untouchables. Tulad nung binugbog si Soriano, from dating daan, sa Cavite walang nagawa Justice system natin. He had to fly to the US dahil hands-off government natin sa banta ng INC sa buhay niya.

Sayang, kung may Block voting sana Catholic Church, which is majority of our population, mas influential sana tayo.

[BratPAQ]

Someone spilled the beans on INC and it's quite juicy. Listen to this very detailed interview, of what's really happening inside INC.
https://mobile.facebook.com/story.ph...86016121664854

[shadow]

INC is very powerful because of their Block Vote. Part of the agreement for their vote is to position INC members in key positions in the government, including police, NBI, and military. Kaya hindi makagalaw yung police doon sa iligal detention drama sa Commonwealth. Chief PNP is INC.

Yung mga ministro na illegally detained hands-off rin gobyerno natin. Sa Cavite marami rin patayan na hands-off ang police kapag INC group ang involved. They are a powerful force to reckon with. Untouchables. Tulad nung binugbog si Soriano, from dating daan, sa Cavite walang nagawa Justice system natin. He had to fly to the US dahil hands-off government natin sa banta ng INC sa buhay niya.

Sayang, kung may Block voting sana Catholic Church, which is majority of our population, mas influential sana tayo.

Block voting my ass. They wait until the last minute to throw their support to the perceived sure winner, that's what they do to have that facade of being a game changer during election.

They might have the influence in local level especially if they have a large congregation in a particular area but definitely they don't have the same influence for a national candidates.

[machine.pistol]

What's the INC's stand on proposed legislation prohibiting/regulating political dynasties? Probably none because they themselves practice religious dynasty just like the Borgias in the Catholic Church in the 16th century.

[BratPAQ]

What's the INC's stand on proposed legislation prohibiting/regulating political dynasties? Probably none because they themselves practice religious dynasty just like the Borgias in the Catholic Church in the 16th century.

With the way things are going, I think the dynasty inside INC is done. I expect a new house to rule the INC.

[glenn manikis]

INC is still one... Not even one member is outside the manalo's residence to support ka Angel.

It is still one solid organization...

[JJ All Day]

INC is very powerful because of their Block Vote. Part of the agreement for their vote is to position INC members in key positions in the government, including police, NBI, and military. Kaya hindi makagalaw yung police doon sa iligal detention drama sa Commonwealth. Chief PNP is INC.

Yung mga ministro na illegally detained hands-off rin gobyerno natin. Sa Cavite marami rin patayan na hands-off ang police kapag INC group ang involved. They are a powerful force to reckon with. Untouchables. Tulad nung binugbog si Soriano, from dating daan, sa Cavite walang nagawa Justice system natin. He had to fly to the US dahil hands-off government natin sa banta ng INC sa buhay niya.

Sayang, kung may Block voting sana Catholic Church, which is majority of our population, mas influential sana tayo.

What is the use of democracy then? No freedom to choose =(

[JJ All Day]

INC is very powerful because of their Block Vote. Part of the agreement for their vote is to position INC members in key positions in the government, including police, NBI, and military. Kaya hindi makagalaw yung police doon sa iligal detention drama sa Commonwealth. Chief PNP is INC.

Yung mga ministro na illegally detained hands-off rin gobyerno natin. Sa Cavite marami rin patayan na hands-off ang police kapag INC group ang involved. They are a powerful force to reckon with. Untouchables. Tulad nung binugbog si Soriano, from dating daan, sa Cavite walang nagawa Justice system natin. He had to fly to the US dahil hands-off government natin sa banta ng INC sa buhay niya.

Sayang, kung may Block voting sana Catholic Church, which is majority of our population, mas influential sana tayo.

What is the use of democracy then?

[Monseratto]

The obedient people in the INC have no say on the matter. Any question on how they run things seem to be met with a automatic expulsion from the hierachy. And since it is a cult religion, hands off ang gobyerno sa gulo nila...

[pyramid00]

Sayang, kung may Block voting sana Catholic Church, which is majority of our population, mas influential sana tayo.[/QUOTE]

Hindi ako papayag na isurender ang right to vote freely. I am not a slave to any priest or any bishop, kahit na ang pope! Give me freedom or give me...........

[cast_no_shadow]

INC is still one... Not even one member is outside the manalo's residence to support ka Angel.

It is still one solid organization...

So what's the real score sir?

Bakit naglabas ng ganoong statement ang mag-ina?

Or may gag order ang members?
Bawal magbigay ng statement?


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[shadow]

INC is still one... Not even one member is outside the manalo's residence to support ka Angel.

It is still one solid organization...

Member! [emoji16]

[pyramid00]

INC is still one... Not even one member is outside the manalo's residence to support ka Angel.

It is still one solid organization...

I saw at least a dozen members at the gate of ka angel's house pero nakayuko lahat nang tinatanong ng media. nawalan ng b. ganyan sila naprogrammed. mga kawawang nilalang.

anyway, dahil members ng inc ang mga sanggunian, ligtas pa rin sila sa dagat-dagatang apoy!

[e2romo]

Total control ang INC sa tao nila, bawal basahin ng sarili ang Biblia dahil baka makita ng mga followers nila yung ibang maling turo ng ministro nila.

Nangyari rin iyan sa simbahan natin noong panahon ng kastila, pinagbawalan mga miyembro bumasa ng Biblia dahil instrumento sila ng Spain para sa total control ng Pilipinas. Kaya kahit may abused sa simbahan natin noon hindi naayos. Pero after the rule of Spain nababasa na ng Katoliko Biblia at hindi na tayo blind followers after that.

Masusubok integrity ng teaching ng simbahan kapag nababasa at nauunawaan ng miyembro ang tunay na nakasulat sa Biblia. Kung ginagamit ng preacher for self gain ang simbahan the members can call him out. We can stay true with the Bible's teaching kahit walang preacher.

If you follow blindly the preacher o pari maari kang maligaw dahil tao rin mga iyan. They can be true servants of God or selfish individuals using the word of God for personal gain. Hindi mo malalaman ang totoo at hindi kung hindi mo nabasa ang Bible.

[ninjababez]

So what's the real score sir?

Bakit naglabas ng ganoong statement ang mag-ina?

Or may gag order ang members?
Bawal magbigay ng statement?


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bawal naman talaga silang mga members bro mag comment about this or any negative reports about INC. im not sure kung yung mga nag church ngayon or mag church bukas eh nasabihan/sasabihan na or kung sa monday na i-announce ang "official" story nila.

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So what's the real score sir?

Bakit naglabas ng ganoong statement ang mag-ina?

Or may gag order ang members?
Bawal magbigay ng statement?


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bawal naman talaga silang mga members bro mag comment about this or any negative reports about INC. im not sure kung yung mga nag church ngayon or mag church bukas eh nasabihan/sasabihan na or kung sa monday na i-announce ang "official" story nila.

[e2romo]

What is the use of democracy then?

Correct, magandang tanong sa INC iyan. Kung sunod sunuran sila sa utos ng simbahan nila, walang freedom, no democracy.

Sa Catholic Church may recommendation sila pero alam ng simbahan na ang voters nila will vote whoever they like.