The Imminent Fall of the Evil Empire

[Rats]

Assuming the leader of a nation is straight, wouldn't one think that he/she would want her immediate subordinates be as he/she is? And make it a policy that their subordinates, in turn, be as their bosses and so in down the line. Well, FYI the Philippines in now the most corrupt nation in the world. Okay, correct me if I'm wrong - second?

[ringostarr]

madali naman testingin kung sino ang mga tao capable of being corrupt or not. that's why i just think it's a waste of time filtering out the corrupts from the non-corrupt or rating the performance of a country/empire on just corruption alone


kumain kayo sa eat all you can dinner

maraming tao kahit nagbabayad ng mahal, tama lang ang kinakain, a little of everything, balanced meal kumbaga

pero karamihan ng tao, sa sobrang pinanghinayang binayad nila, talagang lamon to the max. that goes the same with life I guess, kung masyado mo chine-cherish mga pinaghirapan mo, mas madali ka pa maging corrupt bec. you tend to justify your being there.

[Gen1]

^^ ah hindi naman sa ganoon. gusto lang namin masulit ang bayad

sa breakfast buffet ng hotel lamon talaga ako duon para hindi na kailangan mag-lunch

[dbuzz]

kumain kayo sa eat all you can dinner

maraming tao kahit nagbabayad ng mahal, tama lang ang kinakain, a little of everything, balanced meal kumbaga

pero karamihan ng tao, sa sobrang pinanghinayang binayad nila, talagang lamon to the max. that goes the same with life I guess, kung masyado mo chine-cherish mga pinaghirapan mo, mas madali ka pa maging corrupt bec. you tend to justify your being there.

bro obviously, people who eat at "eat all you can" ay naturally kakain sila ng all they can. otherwise doon na sila sa a la carte.

[shadow]

[quote=4JGtootsie;1029000]

Meron naman safeguards ang constitution diyan which is impeachment! If you can survive 6 impeachments then I think you are clever given that there is corruption.

yun nga ang problema! the only tool na nasa constitution para maalis and president eh hinaharang niya, if she's really innocent as she was claiming then bakit hind i-allow and impeachment?

what surviving 6 impeachment? walang ni isang impeachment na nangyari..and it's not clever, pakapalan na lang talaga...

[vito corleone]

[quote=shadow;1030800]

yun nga ang problema! the only tool na nasa constitution para maalis and president eh hinaharang niya, if she's really innocent as she was claiming then bakit hind i-allow and impeachment?

what surviving 6 impeachment? walang ni isang impeachment na nangyari..and it's not clever, pakapalan na lang talaga...

i agree. . ."pakapalan na lang talaga ng mukha". . .

this government is continually setting precedents: "i'm sorry"; giving posts to retired military people and financially satisfying the current active generals; making a mockery of the senate hearings by ordering people to deliberately lie under oath; showing the whole country that it is okay to abduct people even in a crowded place like the airport (no one is safe); giving bribes even to non-filipinos just to secure a project for their own greed. . .just to name the obvious ones. . .she has revolutionized corruption and raised it to a worse level

sigh!. . . even if she ceases to wield power prematurely or in 2010, she has already created a blue print for the presidents-to-be new ways to be corrupt and stay in power. . .

we must be vigilant as tax-paying citizens. . .hindi dapat tayo magsawa sa mga nakikita natin. . .imagine, pinaghirapan nating pera ang mga ginagamit nila. . .

pasensya na po. . .nag-init lang ulit ang ulo ko. . .

[4JGtootsie]

"yun nga ang problema! the only tool na nasa constitution para maalis and president eh hinaharang niya, if she's really innocent as she was claiming then bakit walang ni isang impeachment na nangyari..and it's not clever, pakapalan na lang talaga..."it hind i-allow and impeachment?"

Then the problem is the congressmen and senators that dont vote for impeachment. Si Erap na impeach, why cant she? Hindi mo ba randam ang asenso.

"what surviving 6 impeachment? walang ni isang impeachment na nangyari..and it's not clever, pakapalan na lang talaga..."

I said 6 impeachments in reference to removing presidents if the need arise. For arguments sake, who do you think will be the best replacement for PGMA in case she steps down. If you can give reasons why he /she is better than PGMA and should be the next president.

[shadow]

Then the problem is the congressmen and senators that dont vote for impeachment. Si Erap na impeach, why cant she? Hindi mo ba randam ang asenso.

not the senators, before transmitting the complaint to the senate dapat mangagaling sa lower house, since "bata" niya karamihan and mas kayang lagyan ng pera ang members ng lower house kaya hinde umaabot sa upper house (Senate)

bec Erap didn't tried to stop the process....he didn't bribe the congressmen, in fact in hindsight I think Erap respected the rule of law and the constitution more..



just look around you, meron bang asenso? kung meron man artificial lang yan since bagsak talaga ang US economy...

For arguments sake, who do you think will be replacement for PGMA in case she steps down.

siyempre the Vice-President Noli De Castro, just bec he is the constitutional successor...

[4JGtootsie]

In hindsight do you think that it would have been better if Erap was not impeached, Edsa 2 did not happen and his 6 year term permitted to go on its natural way? Then 2004 elections would have given our country a legitimate president?

"siyempre the Vice-President Noli De Castro, just bec he is the constitutional successor..."

Noli, because he is the VP. No other reason?

[shadow]

In hindsight do you think that it would have been better if Erap was not impeached, Edsa 2 did not happen and his 6 year term permitted to go on its natural way? Then 2004 elections would have given our country a legitimate president?

I really don't know..maybe and maybe not...what I'm sure of is that if we allowed him to finish his term then all of this legitimacy issues will not be here to haunt us....GMA would have been a better president...if she waited for her time...

and BTW, Erap was not really impeached well, technically he was impeached just bec the complaint reaches the Senate but the process was never finished, remember Joker Arroyo who is supposed to be the protector of constitution and the believer of rule of law....headed the walkout of the aborted impeachment......so much for being a believer of "rule of law" ey?

Noli, because he is the VP. No other reason?

I don't think you can find a better reason/s than him being the Vice-President and the Constitutional successor....

[vito corleone]

Noli, because he is the VP. No other reason?

bro, there's no better reason for him to assume the presidency--in case tyanak is impeached or steps down--than it being it dictated by the constitution. . .any politician who joins the idea of negating that loses my vote. . .

[4JGtootsie]

bro, there's no better reason for him to assume the presidency--in case tyanak is impeached or steps down--than it being it dictated by the constitution. . .any politician who joins the idea of negating that loses my vote. . .

Yes most of us understand that VPs are there to replace the President in case she dies, steps down, or gets impeached. Im sorry I cant undertsand "than it being it dictated by the constitution. . .any politician who joins the idea of negating that loses my vote".

If Erap who is a good friend of kabayan who has been a mayor, senator, VP and , President thinks that Noli is not yet ready, should we believe him?

Do you think he can run the whole nation based on his experience in government service? answerable by yes and no please!

[vito corleone]

there are rules, bro. . .and in this case, it's the constitution. . .
wag nating pansinin yung mga taong nagsasabi na hindi ready si noli or that he is not eligible dahil it is so obvious that those people that are saying that are doing so so that their greedy intentions may have a chance of materializing. . .

i'm not saying this in favor of kabayang noli. . .actually, imagining him as the president gives me the shivers, too (but i could be wrong). . .but it's very important for us as a nation to abide by the constitution that defines our basic entity as a republic. . .not doing so will result to anarchy. . .

we must not lose hope and we must be vigilant. . .our duties as citizens do not end with just voting during elections and/or paying our taxes. . .

peace of christ!

[rai2k8]

that is why i push my boss to add "tax shield" to our compensation. ok lang sana kung kagaya tayo ng britain na kahit halos kalahati ng sweldo mo ay napupunta sa tax, ramdam mo talaga yung asenso. di pa ko ready i-share sa government yung sweldo ko unless magsipag-ayos muna sila. nakakainis nga pagnakikita ko yung ITR ko eh. Imagine giving hundreds of thousands of your hard earned money to those corrupt officials? :mad: :rant:

and who says ramdam ang asenso? yung nasa PAID AD sa tv? and ano pinagbasehan nito? Peso-to-dollar exchange? Walang nakakapansin na dollar ang bumaba at hindi peso tumaas ?

[4JGtootsie]

I see, i will respect that answer.
OT: It seems that Loren Legarda has started the campaign trail earlier than expected, medyo madalas at mahaba haba ang TV commercial. Si Roxas parang meron din. Si Jambrain Madrigal bumibirit din, kaso senate floor lang.

[niwde11]

I really don't know..maybe and maybe not...what I'm sure of is that if we allowed him to finish his term then all of this legitimacy issues will not be here to haunt us....GMA would have been a better president...if she waited for her time...

and BTW, Erap was not really impeached well, technically he was impeached just bec the complaint reaches the Senate but the process was never finished, remember Joker Arroyo who is supposed to be the protector of constitution and the believer of rule of law....headed the walkout of the aborted impeachment......so much for being a believer of "rule of law" ey?



I don't think you can find a better reason/s than him being the Vice-President and the Constitutional successor....

bro shadow i fully agree hilaw yung impeachment ni erap.
re: joker; afair, the private prosecutor ang nag walk out and not the govt prosecutor. pardon me kung nagkamali ako.

[shadow]

If Erap who is a good friend of kabayan who has been a mayor, senator, VP and , President thinks that Noli is not yet ready, should we believe him?

nope! since he has his own interest...

Do you think he can run the whole nation based on his experience in government service? answerable by yes and no please!

probably not, but that is besides the point...

if not the VP, then who do you think should replace GMA then?

[4JGtootsie]

if not the VP, then who do you think should replace GMA then?[/QUOTE]

If i was to decide, I will wait for the 2010 elections.
A darkhorse is what I always fear/watch. Ala Trillanes style.
I will also avoid the showbiz type like Mike Defensor/ Loren types. Si Lacson kung tumahimik at naghintay na lang ok sana. Gordon, BF, Reyes pwedeng last minute attackers. Based on his experience, style and winnability Villar I think will replace PGMA as the next president of the Philippines. Noli will loose the 2010 elections if we let PGMA finish her term. Dont let Noli get his full hands on the government campaign machinery, two years earlier, if we do he could be our president (PGMA style)until 2016. This is only my thinking and I might be wrong.

[Rats]

Sure the Empire is evil but wily and very streetsmart.

The Opposition is fragmented and dimwitted, as evidenced by Erap's
meddling which is doing more harm than good.

So it's GMA by split decision till 2010.

Sad but oh-so-true.

She could still be hanging by a thread. 2010 is still a long way to go with reference to the rate anomalies are exposed in her administration. She could just be holding on till the next horrendous scandal in her closet gets exposed.

[shadow]

If i was to decide, I will wait for the 2010 elections.
A darkhorse is what I always fear/watch. Ala Trillanes style.
I will also avoid the showbiz type like Mike Defensor/ Loren types. Si Lacson kung tumahimik at naghintay na lang ok sana. Gordon, BF, Reyes pwedeng last minute attackers. Based on his experience, style and winnability Villar I think will replace PGMA as the next president of the Philippines. Noli will loose the 2010 elections if we let PGMA finish her term. Dont let Noli get his full hands on the government campaign machinery, two years earlier, if we do he could be our president (PGMA style)until 2016. This is only my thinking and I might be wrong.

kaya naman pala eh, I think we are not on the same page, we are talking about if ever GMA is impeach or she resigns, so the next in line should be VP de castro and this is the heart of this thread...."the imminent fall of the evil empire"

but you are talking about 2010 and when election is held..iba ang pinaguusapan natin... and ibang usapan na yan....