if you think the Philippines is poor..

[Psalm136:2]

a good balance should be established. Good labor laws and employee rights with employer protection from scumbag unions.

Fortunately, there are some companies who have good and Christian values.

You're right, there must be a good balance. Unfortunately some companies, i.e. SM resort to harsh policies like what you mentioned because of these unions' one-sided influence/intimidation.

Diba kung ipaglalaban mo karapatan mo bilang manggagawa, you should also be concern on your company's welfare, in short compromise. Kadalasan, nagmamatigas ang mga union, kaya ayun, mas gugustuhin pa ng mga companies na sibakin tong mga kawawang employees, kesa humaba pa ang sakit ng ulo nila. A day's loss means a lot to them.

About contractual employees' due payments, wala po kasing naka-stipulate sa labor law na ganito. Sana nga meron, maski papano.

[airshaq20]

Mga tsong mga tsang. Sabi nang isang kakilala ko, poor daw ang Pinas. Kaya nung bata sya, nakapag asawa ng american citizen yung nanay nya at nakasama yung kakilala ko.

Nung nagka edad na sya, ang sama sama ng loob nya sa Pinas kasi mahirap daw sila sa Pinas at wala syang maipagmamalaki. Dito daw sa Amerika natupad lahat ng pangarap nya.

Kung hindi daw hirap ang Pinas, di daw sila umalis ng Pinas. Ngayon, ang taas na nang tingin sa sarili nya. Sana matuto syang tumingin sa pinanggalingan.

[chua_riwap]

Mga tsong mga tsang. Sabi nang isang kakilala ko, poor daw ang Pinas. Kaya nung bata sya, nakapag asawa ng american citizen yung nanay nya at nakasama yung kakilala ko.

Nung nagka edad na sya, ang sama sama ng loob nya sa Pinas kasi mahirap daw sila sa Pinas at wala syang maipagmamalaki. Dito daw sa Amerika natupad lahat ng pangarap nya.

Kung hindi daw hirap ang Pinas, di daw sila umalis ng Pinas. Ngayon, ang taas na nang tingin sa sarili nya. Sana matuto syang tumingin sa pinanggalingan.

Naku, P're, maraming ganyan sa atin. Nakatuntong lang sa Tate, ina-alipusta na Pinas.

Pero, di mo rin siya masisi, baka kasi noong maliit pa siya, talagang sagad sa hirap ang buhay nila, kaya ganun na lang ang hinanakit niya sa Pinas.

Naging "lifesaver" pala nila yung American citizen na napangasawa ng mother niya.

[airshaq20]

Naku, P're, maraming ganyan sa atin. Nakatuntong lang sa Tate, ina-alipusta na Pinas.

Pero, di mo rin siya masisi, baka kasi noong maliit pa siya, talagang sagad sa hirap ang buhay nila, kaya ganun na lang ang hinanakit niya sa Pinas.

Naging "lifesaver" pala nila yung American citizen na napangasawa ng mother niya.

Malaki na nga ulo nya eh. Minsan, bumi bingo sya sa kin pero pinapalampas ko na lang. Ano magagawa mo kung ganon sila manlait.

Minsan, may tao na nagtanong sa kanya kung ano masasabi nya pag umuwi sya sa Pinas at dyan mag trabaho. Fresh grad sya dito sa states. Grabe, dami na nyang sinabi na negative sa Pinas. At doon nga, nilabas nya hinanakit nya sa lugar kung saan sya pinanganak.

Tingin ko talagang malaki ang galit nya sa mga taong mahihirap. Galit din sya sa mga taong umuunlad. Lahat ng gamit ng kapwa - para sa kanya - junk lahat. Kahit sarili nyang gamit, pag nasira, parang sinasabi nya sa sarili "why did i listened to them when i should have got the other one".

Mataas tingin nila sa sarili. Kasi feeling nya, lahat ng meron sya pinag hirapan nya. Di nya alam, marami rin umangat sa ting mga Pinoy na galing sa sariling pawis - he cant just recognize other people's hard work. Masyadong self-centered yung taong yun.

Pero, naniniwala ako sa karma. Manlait ka ng kapwa, 10x ang balik sayo.

[chua_riwap]

Pero, naniniwala ako sa karma. Manlait ka ng kapwa, 10x ang balik sayo.

Agree! Tama ka riyan.

[oldblue]

Malaki na nga ulo nya eh. Minsan, bumi bingo sya sa kin pero pinapalampas ko na lang. Ano magagawa mo kung ganon sila manlait.

Minsan, may tao na nagtanong sa kanya kung ano masasabi nya pag umuwi sya sa Pinas at dyan mag trabaho. Fresh grad sya dito sa states. Grabe, dami na nyang sinabi na negative sa Pinas. At doon nga, nilabas nya hinanakit nya sa lugar kung saan sya pinanganak.

Tingin ko talagang malaki ang galit nya sa mga taong mahihirap. Galit din sya sa mga taong umuunlad. Lahat ng gamit ng kapwa - para sa kanya - junk lahat. Kahit sarili nyang gamit, pag nasira, parang sinasabi nya sa sarili "why did i listened to them when i should have got the other one".

Mataas tingin nila sa sarili. Kasi feeling nya, lahat ng meron sya pinag hirapan nya. Di nya alam, marami rin umangat sa ting mga Pinoy na galing sa sariling pawis - he cant just recognize other people's hard work. Masyadong self-centered yung taong yun.

Pero, naniniwala ako sa karma. Manlait ka ng kapwa, 10x ang balik sayo.

mayroon nga mga tao nag-iibang bansa na ayaw-ayaw makakarinig na umuunlad ang Pinoy dito. I have this classmate friend (female) who left '96 for the states, got married there and bought a house in Chicago with her husband and two babies.

noon bumalik family nya for a visit, nagkukwento kami sa dami ng mga naging changes dito like yun G4, GB3, Eastwood, The Fort, Alabang Filinvest, Flyovers & Tunnels, Baywalk-Malate, Reclamation etc. kala ko matutuwa sya. ang sagot ba naman eh parang di daw kapapani-paniwala na ma-achieve ng mga pinoy yun in a short span of time na tumigil sya states. nakapunta nga daw sya sa ibang places na na-mention namin, pero maasim ang muka nya. walang enthusiasm on her part ...


well I guess, some Pinoys who went abroad want us to stay the way they left it para pagbalik nila, maipapakita nila na successful sila.

[airshaq20]

mayroon nga mga tao nag-iibang bansa na ayaw-ayaw makakarinig na umuunlad ang Pinoy dito. I have this classmate friend (female) who left '96 for the states, got married there and bought a house in Chicago with her husband and two babies.

noon bumalik family nya for a visit, nagkukwento kami sa dami ng mga naging changes dito like yun G4, GB3, Eastwood, The Fort, Alabang Filinvest, Flyovers & Tunnels, Baywalk-Malate, Reclamation etc. kala ko matutuwa sya. ang sagot ba naman eh parang di daw kapapani-paniwala na ma-achieve ng mga pinoy yun in a short span of time na tumigil sya states. nakapunta nga daw sya sa ibang places na na-mention namin, pero maasim ang muka nya. walang enthusiasm on her part ...


well I guess, some Pinoys who went abroad want us to stay the way they left it para pagbalik nila, maipapakita nila na successful sila.

What do you expect oldblue? Kung sila din yung mga tao na dala dala ang pagka crab mentality - kahit dito, mga pinoy din ang sisira sa kapwa pinoy. Pag bumili ka ng bahay, di sila patatalo, o kaya pag di sila naka angat sayo, sisiraan ka. Pag bumili ka ng sasakyan, makakaranig ka ng kung ano anong negative na tira. Dito na lang sa forum, siraan na ng siraan.

Pero sabi nga nila, kahit damitan mo daw ng ginto ang unggoy, unggoy pa rin. So kung pinalaki silang mababa tumingin ng kapwa tao, galit sa mga taong umaangat, at pilit hihilahin ka sa baba - attention at self-centeredness lang ang ang goal nila sa buhay nila.

[IceColdBeer]

mayroon nga mga tao nag-iibang bansa na ayaw-ayaw makakarinig na umuunlad ang Pinoy dito. I have this classmate friend (female) who left '96 for the states, got married there and bought a house in Chicago with her husband and two babies.

noon bumalik family nya for a visit, nagkukwento kami sa dami ng mga naging changes dito like yun G4, GB3, Eastwood, The Fort, Alabang Filinvest, Flyovers & Tunnels, Baywalk-Malate, Reclamation etc. kala ko matutuwa sya. ang sagot ba naman eh parang di daw kapapani-paniwala na ma-achieve ng mga pinoy yun in a short span of time na tumigil sya states. nakapunta nga daw sya sa ibang places na na-mention namin, pero maasim ang muka nya. walang enthusiasm on her part ...


well I guess, some Pinoys who went abroad want us to stay the way they left it para pagbalik nila, maipapakita nila na successful sila.

I agree
Iniisip kasi nila naturingan ngang nakalabas sila ng Pinas tapos eto mas asenso ka pa sa kanila hehehe.
Ang hindi ko maintindihan eh bakit nagagalit sila sa Pinas dahil mahirap sila? May kasabihan nga na "it is not your fault to be born poor, but it is your fault to die poor" (tama ba?). Magsikap para gumaan ang buhay.

[caloyski5]

Pero, naniniwala ako sa karma. Manlait ka ng kapwa, 10x ang balik sayo.

oh so true

[oldblue]

ah okay just googled. mali pala ako. the Dutch traded canons with the Spanish Navy in Manila Bay. pero yun British pala yun talaga nakapasok. bakit kaya tuwing na-mention ang dutch, nagugutom ako? dutch treat, double dutch hehehe

[oldblue]

I did meet some like what you described. when we went there for a 1 month vacation, I witnessed both the good and the ugly side of being Fil-Ams. My dad, who came from a small provincial town, had so many long lost relatives there to the nth degree, as well as old schoolmates & friends.

for 1 whole month, wala kami boarding & travelling expenses hehehe. every night kung saan-saan bahay kami natutulog and sila na din Fil-ams ang nag-sked. every night during dinner, parati ko naririnig sila mga matatanda pinag-compare ang P'nas at America, pinag-uusapan na hwag daw kami matutulog kay ganito coz pangit daw haws nya. And when they asked kung san college ako nag-aaral, they answered si ganito sa ganyan gumradweyt, pero ang trabaho valet sa hotel etc. etc ...

sa amin naman mga youngsters, lagi sinasabi sa min magkapatid (in English), meron ba kayo ganito? ganyan? sa Pilipinas? (gadgets, CD's, electronics, games, branded clothing). syempre blank face na lang kami magkapatid coz wala nga kami nun, then after bibigay nalang nila samin yun hehehe. dami ko nga nauwi noon, mga CD's, 2 way radio, cd/dvd players, armani/levi's jeans, watches, old PC parts. PURO BIGAY kasi para sila naawa sila sa min.

during weekend filipino gatherings, usually may picnic/bbq sa isang pinoy house, and they would parade their Toyotas, Hondas, Benz, Volvos, BMWs, Vans, SUVs sa sidestreet parking. and then as usual, compare compare compare, brag brag brag.

I have nothing against naman sa mga healthy discussions nila and mga pagyayabang coz grabe nakatipid talaga dad ko ng pocket money. imagine libre kami sa disneyland, magic mountain, las vegas, knots berry, sea world, universal studios & movies eat all you can jap, mexican, american, italian foods. and we travelled in style pa with their luxury vehicles. dun lang ako nakatikim na susunduin ng BMW one day then the next day Benz and then state to state on board a Large Van with sofa.

Oks na oks naman talaga. It was a once in a lifetime treat & experience. Pero just a thought lang talaga, kapag maririnig nyo discussions both sa pang-matanda at pang-bagets -> If the Philippines was a person, malamang magpakamatay na talaga ang taong ito sa sobrang humiliation at panlalait na maririnig nya.

[badkuk]

mayaman ung pilipinas...the problem is resource management. much like 8 out of the first 10 lotto winners, we're squandering it

[edzzz]

migrate

[BoEinG_747]

When I was working in the Middle East I met a pinoy who bluntly told me:
"Alam mo padre, tayong magagaling na mga pinoy eh naglalayasan ng Pilipinas, kaya mga naiwan na lang duon sa atin eh mga latak."

Which I answered with:
"Ang hindi mo alam, yung mga naiwan sa Pilipinas ang magagaling. Dahil sila, kahit matindi ang kumpetisyon eh nabubuhay. Tayo, hindi natin kaya ang labanan kaya tayo nandito."

He never talked to me again.

hahaha tutuo talaga ito sir SS,,may naringgan na din ako ng ganyan ..after 15 yrs nag work sa abroad..nasabi niya sa sarili niya buti pa mga naging kasama niya na naiwan sa pinas ay nakakasurvive pa pero sia ..halos ganon din lang ...ang kagandahan pa ay patuloy na nakapuwesto maga kaibigan niya sa trabaho samantala sia .konti lang naipon nia sa pag abroad..

[woulfe27]

RP's poorest provinces like those in Africa -- UN study
Its richest just at par with Jamaica

First posted 04:15am (Mla time) Oct 26, 2005
By Volt Contreras
Inquirer News Service

THE COUNTRY'S poorest provinces have conditions already approximating those in some African countries, while the most progressive ones are just at par with Jamaica or Turkmenistan.

A United Nations-sponsored study gave this analogy in ranking the "Top- and Bottom-10" provinces in terms of their Human Development Index, a measure of well-being based on life expectancy, literacy, enrollment ratio and per capita income.

The 2005 Philippine Human Development Report (PHDR) said the Top 10 provinces were as follows (from highest to lowest): Benguet, Laguna, Batanes, Rizal, Cavite, Nueva Vizcaya, Pampanga, Bataan, Bulacan and Ilocos Norte.

The bottom-dwellers, in descending order, were Lanao del Sur, Eastern Samar, Western Samar, Sarangani, Zamboanga del Norte, Masbate, Basilan, Tawi-Tawi, Maguindanao and Sulu.

The 150-page PHDR was released yesterday by the Human Development Network, a non-profit group supported in the project by the United Nations Development Programme and the New Zealand Agency for International Development.

The HDI ranking of 77 provinces does not include Metro Manila since it is not considered a province but a group of cities that enjoy a decided advantage, being the seat of the country's political and economic power, HDN coordinator Toby Monsod said.

The UN defines human development as "the process of enabling people to have wider choices."

The latest PHDR -- the fifth undertaken by HDN since 1994 -- is consistent with previous findings that the country's poorest provinces were also the "most conflict-ridden," referring to those located in Mindanao.

The HDI measures an area's living standard not by its visible "urbanity" -- or the growth of factories or commercial centers in a locality -- but by how much the people enjoy "public goods" like health or education, Monsod said.

She gave this explanation when asked why a mountainous province like Benguet, known for its mining and agriculture-based economy, outscored the likes of Pampanga, Cavite, Bulacan and Rizal, which host sprawling urban centers and industrial parks, especially in their capitals.

A province may have a high-income level, she said, but may still have low HDI if it doesn't translate into "investments in health or education."

The UN-adopted measure of HDI ranges from 0 to 1, and "the closer to 1, the better," Monsod said.

Using that range, the poorest Philippine province, Sulu, got .30, and the best-performing Benguet scored 0.74.

Areas that score between 0 and .49 are categorized as having "low human development." Those between .50 and .79 qualify as "medium," and those achieving .8 to 1 are in the "high" bracket.

The report said the five lowest ranking provinces were already "comparable to the world's poorest countries located in Africa, namely, Niger, Sierra Leone, Burkina Faso, Mali and Chad."

The highest ranking -- Benguet -- matches the HDI standing of Jamaica or Turkmenistan, it noted.

[niky]

Proud to be a Laguna boi....

But what about the overall weighted average? Kumbaga, what are the population percentages in these regions?

Laguna and Rizal are very heavily populated compared to some of these regions, mind you.

[orly_andico]

i was just at makati city hall filing some paperwork.

for some strange reason, ang daming japayukis and j-wannabes dun (sa NSO office, and sa health center sa 7th floor).

anyway while standing in line i was listening to 3 people in front of me. 1 japayuki (who looked much older than her 22 years) and a mother and daughter. apparently the daughter was going to be a waitress/dancer in japan (and we all know where that ends up..) and the mom was helping with the papers.

the 22-year old was telling the mom and daughter that they should go for auditions in pansol, laguna. kind of a placement thing. and we all know what happens at these "auditions." i'm not the only one who's seen those sad pictures of dozens and dozens of filipinas in a low-rent resort in pansol being felt up (and probably much more, just not in the pictures) by a bunch of fat white guys or japs.

it thoroughly saddened me (because the daughter sounded so hopeful and even innocent, not at all like the 22-year old) that our country, and our government, is propped up by the foreign-currency remittances of our women spreading their legs in japan...

[Psalm136:2]

Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Tao nga naman, nakaranas lang ng konting kaginhawaan, puro lait at yabang na. Sana malaman nila na wala silang maipagmamalaki sa Diyos pag pumanaw na sila.

Ako, maski wala sa Pinas, saludo ako sa mga taong nagpaiwan at patuloy na lumalaban sa kahirapan, maski anong mangyari. I long to return home someday and be one of them in rebuilding our country.

[BoyFerrari]

This thread is just a "feel good" thread by comparing the Philippines with a country that is much worse.

Japan's economy was wiped out after World War 2 - nuked twice at that! You can say that both Japan and the Philippines started at zero after World War 2. Now how come Japan is now a First World Country while the Philippines is still stuck in the 3rd World?

You also cannot use the number of malls in the country to say whether Pinas is poor or not. These malls were financed by billionaire tycoons. Examine the malls, halos lahat pare-pareho ang laman sa loob: Jollibee, National Bookstore, Abenson, .... I bet almost half of the stores inside the malls are food-related. And you also have to consider that many shops inside these malls have not yet recovered their investment - perhaps it will take them 20 years before they can recover their capital.

A good measure to know whether your country is poor is to measure the "buying power" of your currency AND how much of the population can afford the cost of living in that country. If your country still needs to implement an EVAT just to pay-off its galactic foreign debt, your country must be poor.

[badkuk]

sir orly, pagkakaalam ko taiwan, korea and japan also "exported" labor -- including entertainers/call girls -- to other countries nung medyo naghihirap sila. ang nakaganda lang, issues of morality aside, they were able to capitalize on the sacrifices of those people and took a great leap forward. we on the other hand seem to have a habit of falling all over ourselves