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    #2321
    tungkol sa gov't suppliers and corruption

    hindi ba common knowledge how things work??

    kahit anong admin meron at meron under the table

    kung ikaw ay nasa kapangyarihan, bakit mo ibibigay ang kontrata sa di mo ka-ano-ano?

    may project ka, ibigay mo sa kamag anak o kumpare mong may construction firm

    may bibilhin ka gamit, kunin mo ung supplier na malapit sayu

    o kaya sabihin mo sa kamaganak o kumpare mag tayo siya ng kompanya para maging supplier

    sop yan diba??

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    tungkol sa gov't suppliers and corruption

    hindi ba common knowledge how things work??

    kahit anong admin meron at meron under the table

    kung ikaw ay nasa kapangyarihan, bakit mo ibibigay ang kontrata sa di mo ka-ano-ano?

    may project ka, ibigay mo sa kamag anak o kumpare mong may construction firm

    may bibilhin ka gamit, kunin mo ung supplier na malapit sayu

    o kaya sabihin mo sa kamaganak o kumpare mag tayo siya ng kompanya para maging supplier

    sop yan diba??
    Private company does this also… i know one, they let their one employee put up a company as their supplier… ngayon yung ka officemate ko which is her husband ang manager…


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    yes sa private companies din

    ung purchasing manager kakausapin ang supplier bigyan siya commission

    -

    ang point ko bakit parang revelation para sa mga tao ung pharmally issue

    that kind of thing has been happening since forever

    ganyan ang kalakaran

    pati sa barangay level ung bibili lang ng bolpen may overprice

    juiceko

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    bakit daw tinanggap, knowing they were nearing expiration date?
    dahil mabilis namang gagamitin at mauubos nila bago mag-expire?
    if so, obviously, their assumption was wrong.
    i do not recall anymore, but when did the covid testing figures start skyrocketing?
    before that kasi, there were only few testing centers...

    but there is another facet to expiration dates. i do not know if the explainers mentioned this.
    "some test kits do have a shelf life of only a few months, say, six months. and no manufacturer in the industry can do better than that."
    thus, our DOH has no choice but to get what the industry has to offer, even as it falls short of specified specifications.

    some might ask, "if they have only a short shelf life, why did you order so many? could you not order them in smaller volumes?"
    in our workplace, sometimes the consumption rate is so volatile and can get unpredictably high, the rules on acquisition simply can not keep up...
    if i have to guess, DOH did not yet have the requisite experience with covid, and could not accurately predict consumption rate.
    but this is my opinion only.

    as an aside,
    in private industry, and i am speaking only about the ones i am privy to, such nearing-expiration goods would be dangled in front of us at bargain prices...
    we would buy them naman, because our performance records indicate that we can easily consume them before they expire.

    highs.

    i am not trying to protect anyone nor side with anyone.
    i am but narrating some of the nuances of the medical reagents and supplies industry.
    doc here are some highlights of the senate investigation:

    Confronted by documentation obtained so far by the Senate Blue Ribbon committee hearings, the Department of Health (DOH) confirmed on Tuesday, September 21, there were 371,794 COVID-19 tests from nearly 8,000 test kits bought by them and the Procurement Service-Department of Budget and Management (PS-DBM) which had expired.

    "I confirm that 7,925 test kits expired," said DOH Assistant Secretary Nestor Santiago on Tuesday, upon interpellation by Senator Francis Pangilinan.

    By clarification from Pangilinan, Santiago said that depending on the brand each of the test kit is able to do 40 to 50 tests per kit.

    "Based on my record, it's 371,794 tests," said Santiago.

    "And in the middle of a situation where we were not testing enough...para tayong nagsusunog ng pera sa gitna ng napakaraming namamatay. (it's like we are burning money while so many people are dying)," said Pangilinan.

    Pharmally sold BGI real-time Fluorescent RT-PCR test kits at P69,500 per kit. Using that pricing, Pangilinan computed a ballpark amount of P550 million in taxpayers' funds wasted on expired test kits.

    "That gives us the gravity, the waste, the incompetence, the corruption that we are facing," said Pangilinan.

    Health Secretary Francisco Duque III said that it's only 3.6% of total cost so far of testing.


    "Is that acceptable to you?" Pangilinan said.

    "No, it's not acceptable," said Duque.

    About P55 million in COVID-19 test kits bought by DOH, PS-DBM expired

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    yes sa private companies din

    ung purchasing manager kakausapin ang supplier bigyan siya commission

    -

    ang point ko bakit parang revelation para sa mga tao ung pharmally issue

    that kind of thing has been happening since forever

    ganyan ang kalakaran

    pati sa barangay level ung bibili lang ng bolpen may overprice

    juiceko
    Sinong mga tao yan? Yung mga bobotante malamang na bawat eleksyon nakakalimut ng ganyan. Wala naman ata dito sa tsikot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    yes sa private companies din

    ung purchasing manager kakausapin ang supplier bigyan siya commission

    -

    ang point ko bakit parang revelation para sa mga tao ung pharmally issue

    that kind of thing has been happening since forever

    ganyan ang kalakaran

    pati sa barangay level ung bibili lang ng bolpen may overprice

    juiceko
    Malapit na election kaya kailangan iremind nila mga tao na buhay pa sila. Kahit naklaro na ng coa na wala sinabing overprice, hindi titigil mga yan.

    Lalo na ngayon left in the dark na Leni, with only 9M voters or less, kahit reelectionist na dilawan dina papasok sa senate.

    Tapos si BBM pa presidente lalong kukulubot mga mukha nila. ha ha ha pricelesss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipo View Post
    doc here are some highlights of the senate investigation:

    Confronted by documentation obtained so far by the Senate Blue Ribbon committee hearings, the Department of Health (DOH) confirmed on Tuesday, September 21, there were 371,794 COVID-19 tests from nearly 8,000 test kits bought by them and the Procurement Service-Department of Budget and Management (PS-DBM) which had expired.

    "I confirm that 7,925 test kits expired," said DOH Assistant Secretary Nestor Santiago on Tuesday, upon interpellation by Senator Francis Pangilinan.

    By clarification from Pangilinan, Santiago said that depending on the brand each of the test kit is able to do 40 to 50 tests per kit.

    "Based on my record, it's 371,794 tests," said Santiago.

    "And in the middle of a situation where we were not testing enough...para tayong nagsusunog ng pera sa gitna ng napakaraming namamatay. (it's like we are burning money while so many people are dying)," said Pangilinan.

    Pharmally sold BGI real-time Fluorescent RT-PCR test kits at P69,500 per kit. Using that pricing, Pangilinan computed a ballpark amount of P550 million in taxpayers' funds wasted on expired test kits.

    "That gives us the gravity, the waste, the incompetence, the corruption that we are facing," said Pangilinan.

    Health Secretary Francisco Duque III said that it's only 3.6% of total cost so far of testing.


    "Is that acceptable to you?" Pangilinan said.

    "No, it's not acceptable," said Duque.

    About P55? million in COVID-19 test kits bought by DOH, PS-DBM expired
    what i am interested in, is "why did these test kits expire?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray_noel View Post
    Sa dami ng yaman nakuha ng marcoses bakit hindi kaya sila kasama sa mga billionaires sa pinas… i saw abscbn report about how much they got in two decades and from 3pesos to 1usd naging 20pesos na…


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    5-10B usd ang estimate na kinurakot ni macoy. US dollars yan ha.
    Kahit maitago nila 1% lang, may 5B php si imelda, imee bbm etc.
    kaya daming pera for revisionism. Nababayaran mga trolls and followers.


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    Mabilis naman bayaran ang ibang kababayan natin. Binigyan lang ng ayuda ang laki na ng utang ng loob natin. Ayuda galing sa bulsa ng mga mangagawang naghihirap pero ang ayuda me pangalan pa ng politiko. Sana magising na tayo at pumili ng karapatdapat na mamuno sa bayan natin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Witcher View Post
    Mabilis naman bayaran ang ibang kababayan natin. Binigyan lang ng ayuda ang laki na ng utang ng loob natin. Ayuda galing sa bulsa ng mga mangagawang naghihirap pero ang ayuda me pangalan pa ng politiko. Sana magising na tayo at pumili ng karapatdapat na mamuno sa bayan natin.
    Funny thing is, because of their hatred of LP, they have come to accept that corruption and human rights abuses of this administration are normal. Bahala na kung ninakaw na ang pera ng kaban ng bayan basta lang hindi LP ang nagnakaw. That kind of mindset tells me either 1 of 3 things happened -

    1. You lost something/someone during the LP admin - business, properties, relatives

    2. You gained something from this digong admin - business, properties, new connections

    3. Tanga ka lang for free

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Witcher View Post
    Mabilis naman bayaran ang ibang kababayan natin. Binigyan lang ng ayuda ang laki na ng utang ng loob natin. Ayuda galing sa bulsa ng mga mangagawang naghihirap pero ang ayuda me pangalan pa ng politiko. Sana magising na tayo at pumili ng karapatdapat na mamuno sa bayan natin.
    Diyan minsan nagiging problema ang utang na loob lalo na sa pulitika. That's why tumatagal yung ganyang mga trapo, you give them what they want lalo na ang pera and they'll have your back in the end. Talk about modern day feudalism. The way I see it, if this country gets it's s**t together it mostly like may not be in our lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamur View Post
    Funny thing is, because of their hatred of LP, they have come to accept that corruption and human rights abuses of this administration are normal. Bahala na kung ninakaw na ang pera ng kaban ng bayan basta lang hindi LP ang nagnakaw. That kind of mindset tells me either 1 of 3 things happened -

    1. You lost something/someone during the LP admin - business, properties, relatives

    2. You gained something from this digong admin - business, properties, new connections

    3. Tanga ka lang for free

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    Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamur View Post
    Funny thing is, because of their hatred of LP, they have come to accept that corruption and human rights abuses of this administration are normal. Bahala na kung ninakaw na ang pera ng kaban ng bayan basta lang hindi LP ang nagnakaw. That kind of mindset tells me either 1 of 3 things happened -

    1. You lost something/someone during the LP admin - business, properties, relatives

    2. You gained something from this digong admin - business, properties, new connections

    3. Tanga ka lang for free

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    Naging successful ang revisionism ng mga marcos, ginamit ng husto yung nakaw na yaman to hire paid trolls earlier before pa yung 2016 elections, and if you remember it was Imee who first used the word "dilawan".

    I still remember nung unang protest ni BBM sa result ng pagkatalo niya kay VP Leni, mabibilang mo lang sila dun sa Luneta yata yun sa ilalim ng puno.

    But when du30 became president they were able to mixed their zombies at lalong tumindi at dumami ang mga trolls nila.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamur View Post
    Funny thing is, because of their hatred of LP, they have come to accept that corruption and human rights abuses of this administration are normal. Bahala na kung ninakaw na ang pera ng kaban ng bayan basta lang hindi LP ang nagnakaw. That kind of mindset tells me either 1 of 3 things happened -

    1. You lost something/someone during the LP admin - business, properties, relatives

    2. You gained something from this digong admin - business, properties, new connections

    3. Tanga ka lang for free

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    agreed!

    effective sa kanila ang paninira ng trolls farms about sa LP na nakalimutan na nila na LP din si Duterte dati, pati yung mga LP congressmen na lumipat sa PDP-Laban nung manalo si DU30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tha_Mann View Post
    agreed!

    effective sa kanila ang paninira ng trolls farms about sa LP na nakalimutan na nila na LP din si Duterte dati, pati yung mga LP congressmen na lumipat sa PDP-Laban nung manalo si DU30.
    In politics, there are no permanent allies, only permanent interests. Basta makikinabang sila, doon sila, never mind the prinsipyo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastator View Post
    In politics, there are no permanent allies, only permanent interests. Basta makikinabang sila, doon sila, never mind the prinsipyo.
    kaya hindi partido ang problema ng bayan, kundi mga trapo na ganid sa kapangyarihan. sisihin ng dds ang LP, eh sino ba mga naging presidente natin after Cory? FVR, Erap, GMA mga kaalaydo ni Duterte ito di ba?

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    #2338
    Stress na stress na mga dilawan hindi na coherent mga post, nawala na pagka desente

    Eto pampatanggal ng stress.

    Duterte scores highest 84% satisfaction rating amid pandemic – SWS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papajamba View Post


    5-10B usd ang estimate na kinurakot ni macoy. US dollars yan ha.
    Kahit maitago nila 1% lang, may 5B php si imelda, imee bbm etc.
    kaya daming pera for revisionism. Nababayaran mga trolls and followers.


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    For sure meron silang pera di lang pinahalata na masmayaman pa sila sa mga sy… hindi siguro kaya ma launder sa sobrang dami…


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    Quote Originally Posted by glenn_duke View Post
    Stress na stress na mga dilawan hindi na coherent mga post, nawala na pagka desente

    Eto pampatanggal ng stress.

    Duterte scores highest 84% satisfaction rating amid pandemic – SWS
    Hindi na katakataka kung mga ganito ang na-survey. [emoji23]fb_img_1631966289109.jpg

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