Doble, pinagloloko mo ba kami?

[Monseratto]

Nakakatakot to think that Lacson is a presidential wannabe. Patay tayong lahat kung maloloko niya yung masa.

No coaching please


The additional information shared by Lacson during Friday’s hearing, however, triggered a flurry of debates with Sen. Richard Gordon.

Gordon said Lacson should not have offered any information to corroborate Doble’s testimony to establish the identify of Poblador or anyone involved in the controversy.

Gordon was particularly irked over Lacson’s coaching attempts and his offer to become a witness and testify before the joint committee in the attempt to corroborate Doble’s testimony.

“As lawyers we have to abide by the rules of investigation in the interest of fair play,” Gordon remarked.

Gordon said Lacson should have gotten a better witness since under the rules of evidence, perjured witnesses are no longer allowed to testify.

He said Doble was not telling the truth and so he bluntly told Lacson not to “coach (Doble) because we are after the truth here.”

“Everytime the witness has to answer something, he (Lacson) will say something that the witness can hear. We are strict on that. You cannot coach a witness on sensitive issues,” Gordon told Lacson.

Lacson, for his part, blurted out: “Don’t tell me what to do.”

Lacson said it was obvious that the three senators wanted to delay the proceedings and ruin Doble, referring to Senators Gordon, Juan Ponce Enrile and Joker Arroyo.

“Doble has details of the truth and his spontaneity in answering questions (makes him credible.) If you are telling the truth, it is easy to see and hard to shatter. The P2 million came two months after he released the tapes. I don’t know if you call it a bribe,” he said.

Doble was all alone Friday in his testimony before the hearing which was marked by endless debates among senators.

Emotions ran high as senators debated on Doble’s credibility as the main witness in the investigation.

Tempers flared up as debates seemed to overshadow Doble’s testimony.

Doble was not able to elaborate on the alleged wiretapped conversations between President Arroyo and former elections commissioner Virgilio Garcillano, except on what he earlier revealed as his role in the Military Intelligence Group 21 (MIG-21) of the Intelligence Service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (ISAFP).

Senators Arroyo, Enrile and Gordon, for their part, questioned the credibility of Doble in describing him as a perjured witness.

Arroyo said Doble himself destroyed his credibility as “star witness” for admitting getting paid P2 million to turn over the copies of the taped conversation to former National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) deputy director Samuel Ong through a certain Angelito Santiago.

Arroyo, Gordon and Enrile, as lawyers, pointed out Doble’s earlier statements in the House of Representatives and Court of Appeals where he denied the wiretapping activity.

Enrile also questioned Lacson for providing the information on Poblador.

Senate Minority Leader Aquilino Pimentel Jr., on the other hand, raised his voice against Senator Arroyo for blocking Doble’s testimony.

“Why don’t we allow him to explain?” Pimentel told Arroyo.

Sen. Rodolfo Biazon, chairman of the national defense committee tasked to lead the hearings, had to act as referee a number of times to pacify the senators and cut short their questioning.

Lacson assailed his colleagues for hitting the credibility of Doble.

“You cannot satisfy these people, people like Gordon, Enrile, Arroyo and the others, you cannot satisfy them. No matter how many witnesses you present, they will never be satisfied because they have their own mindset. Their mindset is to protect Malacañang,” Lacson said.

[joem]

saan kaya nang galing ang 2million? mahirap talaga mag debate ang lawyer vs non-lawyer.

sana mag trabaho nalang sila para sa ikabubuti natin.. wala din yan..
lahat nang expose' ni Ping lahat palpak.

[Galactus]

Bishop, ex-military spy names Palace exec in ‘Garci’ expose


By Veronica Uy
INQUIRER.net
Last updated 08:52pm (Mla time) 09/07/2007


MANILA, Philippines -- (UPDATE 5) A Malacañang official asked the Catholic Church to intervene during the “crisis” at the San Carlos Seminary in June 2005, according to two witnesses in the wiretapping scandal, which the Senate has started investigating.

But Bishop Socrates Villegas, who was invited to the inquiry, cited “religious duties and pastoral commitments” in his diocese in the province of Bataan as the reason for his non-attendance in the first letter he addressed to Senator Rodolfo Biazon, head of the national defense committee, which is leading the investigation.

Others who were summoned include ex-Technical Sergeant Vidal Doble, formerly of the Intelligence Service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines; Samuel Ong, former deputy director of the National Bureau of Investigation; General Efren Abu, former military chief of staff; Vice Admiral Tirso Danga, former ISAFP chief; and former elections commissioner Virgilio Garcillano.

Only Doble testified in Friday’s hearing. Abu was appointed Special Envoy to BIMP-EAGA (Brunei-Indonesia-Malaysia Philippines-East Asia Growth Area), Danga cited executive privilege, and Garcillano excused himself for medical reasons.

In a second letter coursed through Senator Benigno Aquino III and titled “Because I Love Our Seminarians,” Villegas said Remedios Poblador, undersecretary of the presidential legislative liaison office, had called him when the military threatened to attack the seminary to get Doble and Ong, who sought refuge there after exposing recordings linking President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo to alleged cheating in the May 2004 elections.

In the same letter, the bishop confirmed a statement by Senator Panfilo Lacson that Poblador had arranged to fly him to Manila from Bataan during the crisis in San Carlos.

The bishop said that when he got to Manila, he even called Manila Archbishop Gaudencio Cardinal Rosales on his cell phone “to seek his blessings. He assured me of his blessings and admonished me [to] exhaust all means to avoid violence.”

Villegas said he knew Poblador as an assistant of former president Corazon Aquino. “Later on I realized that she was no longer an assistant of the former president but had become a staff for President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo,” he said.

Villegas said that at the seminary, he asked Doble where he wanted to go. The latter told him “to my family.”

Villegas said Doble was taken to Camp Aguinaldo on board the black van of Vice Admiral Tirso Danga, then chief of the Intelligence Service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (ISAFP).

Doble confirmed this Friday in his testimony.

Doble said he first encountered Poblador at the so-called White House in Camp Aguinaldo, the official residence of the military chief of staff, who at that time was General Efren Abu.

Doble said Poblador, Abu, vice chief of staff Edilberto Adan; Arlene, his wife, and children, Darren and Danica, were there.

Doble said Arlene identified Poblador to him as “Medy, a secretary of PGMA,” referring to the initials of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. “Lumapit lang daw kung may kailangan [Just approach her for help],” he said, quoting his wife.

Doble said he sought refuge in San Carlos following the disclosure of the tapes by Ong, who claimed that he had been given a copy by those who were behind the wiretapping.

Lacson, who revived the wiretapping issue in a privileged speech last month and questioned Doble first in Friday’s hearing, identified Poblador as Arroyo’s personal confidante.

Lacson said Poblador, aside from television director Lupita Aquino-Kashiwahara, was the only one allowed to sit with the President in her limousine.

In Malacañang, Cerge Remonde, Presidential Management Staff chief, and Dante Ang, Commission on Overseas Filipino chairman, said they would see Poblador in the Palace, especially during meetings, but could not say if she was a close aide of the President.

In the directory of the Office of the President, Poblador is listed with the rank of assistant secretary under "Private Offices, Malacañang Palace,” with office telephone number 552-6785. But calls made to the number have not been answered.

Remonde said he did not watch the proceedings in the Senate, when sought for comment.

When questioned about wiretapping during Friday’s investigation, Doble told the senators this was done through the service providers Smart Communications and Globe Telecoms Inc.

He said he couldn’t identify the contacts in Smart and Globe that allowed this because only his superiors -- Colonel Paul Sumayo and Captain Frederick Rebong -- had coordinated the “splitting” of the cellular phone signal with the service providers.

Doble, whose credibility was questioned by Senators Juan Ponce-Enrile, Richard Gordon, and Joker Arroyo throughout the four-hour hearing, also said that text messages could be monitored through the wire-tapping system he and fellow intelligence agents employed from September 2003 to after the May 2004 elections.

The former intelligence agent said he participated in the wiretap because he believed it was an official mission, since the order came from the traditional chain of command.

He named Danga as part of that chain of command.

Cabinet Secretary Ricardo Saludo, in a text message, said Doble was a "polluted witness." He added that even some senators have expressed doubts on his testimony.

"Several senators have expressed grave doubts about Mr. Doble's testimony and his tainted credibility as a perjured and polluted witness who is now under the personal guard of an opposition leader," he said.

"We cannot dignify his flip-flops in Congress with any kind of comment," he added.

Biazon said that the list of resource persons for the next hearing and all the other questions raised during this Friday’s hearing would have to be decided in a caucus, including Enrile’s question on whether the bishop’s second letter would be admitted as evidence.

Other senators present at the hearing were Minority Floor Leader Aquilino Pimentel Jr., Rodolfo Biazon, Alan Peter Cayetano, Pia Cayetano, Loren Legarda, Ana Consuelo “Jamby” Madrigal, and Ramon “Bong” Revilla Jr.

Also in attendance were former senator Ernesto Maceda, Marichu Maceda, Sandra Cam, and Father Joe Dizon.

With a report from Lira D. Fernandez, originally posted 10:12am


Copyright 2007 INQUIRER.net. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

It's pretty obvious naman na gusto talagang takpan ni Pandak yung wiretapping issue. It's like the sealed Equitable PCI envelope during the Estrada impeachment.

After 2010 (kung matapos ni Pandak yung term niya), dapat i-prosecute nila yung mga kawatan at sinungaling sa gobyerno. Unahin na sana nila si Fat Bast*ard!

[themann]

tanga rin ng attorney ni doble. when confronted by sen enrile, gordon and arroyo regarding his opposing testimony before, he should raise his right for self incrimination (tama ba ito mga lawyers). di ba iyon ang sagot ni iggy arroyo before when asked abount jose vidal case.

as for senator arroyo, bad trip na ako sa kanya. pag lagot ka, yari ka... di naman totoo hmph....

[Galactus]

tanga rin ng attorney ni doble. when confronted by sen enrile, gordon and arroyo regarding his opposing testimony before, he should raise his right for self incrimination (tama ba ito mga lawyers). di ba iyon ang sagot ni iggy arroyo before when asked abount jose vidal case.

as for senator arroyo, bad trip na ako sa kanya. pag lagot ka, yari ka... di naman totoo hmph....

Bro, its the right against self-incrimination. Doble has implied that he's willing to go to jail, basta nasabi niya ang totoo, and since hindi na hawak ng AFP ang pamilya niya, wala na siyang dapat katakutan.

Re: Iggy Arroyo, he didn't raise his right against incriminating himself, what he said was that he has a right to privacy. Private citizen pa lang naman kasi siya noon. And it was on the Jose Pidal (not Vidal) case.

Nawala na rin tiwala ko kay Joker. Ayaw palabasin yung totoo. Even the US Supreme Court has stated that when the right of the public to information and the truth outweighs upholding the wire-tapping law, the former has to prevail. That law naman, as with all laws, is not absolute. (See Atty. Raul Pangalangan's column last week sa PDI.)

[mazdamazda]

Bro, its the right against self-incrimination. Doble has implied that he's willing to go to jail, basta nasabi niya ang totoo, and since hindi na hawak ng AFP ang pamilya niya, wala na siyang dapat katakutan.

That's the funny thing... you want the "truth" out of Doble... when as themann said, his testimonies at the Lower House & Upper House doesn't match in the first place.

He first claimed that he wasn't part of the wiretapping group then now he claims that he can save conversations to a SIM Card (which is entirely impossible). :rofl01:

I have no problems with impeaching a president since that's the constitutional way to do it, but do it properly and with the right witnesses. I have no problems with having a good opposition since that's needed for the country's check & balance.

The opposition has blundered since the beginning with the filing of their impeachment case due to the lack of evidence and now they resorting to this kind of circus again? These presidentiables are starting early and is another reason why the Upper House should be abolished as this is just becoming an expensive staging ground for the Presidency.

[carscout]

Lacson's allegations or so called witnesses laging sablay,from maunay,vicky toh,jose pidal,up to U.S. spy scandal etc,he is very noisy for nothing,ignoranteng senador.sino-sino ba bumoto nito?ginagatasan lang nila ang pobreng erap

He (Lacson) may have started some half baked allegation against the current administration particularly GMA. But that doesn't mean all of those are not true either. If you have followed the scandal closely, there are some valid arguments na totoo nga yung accusations nya. The problem is kulang kulang ebidensya nya which makes it easy for the accussed to demolished it, especially one as powerful as the RP President.

Going back to Doble's testimony that ISAFP has no wiretapping capability. Kalokohan yan! ISAFP has been wiretapping phone lines since 90's. Dyan nga nahuli si Joey De Leon (RSG Leader famous in kidnapping Fil-Chi). I know kasi tatay ko taga ISAFP, retired nga lang na hehehe. ISAFP has a MIG's (Mil Intel Grp) whose function is solely dedicated to wiretapping

[Lucius]

Kung tayo nga mga lalake hindi umaamin pag may chics yang ISAFP pa kaya na wiretapping? Hahahaha

[Galactus]

That's the funny thing... you want the "truth" out of Doble... when as themann said, his testimonies at the Lower House & Upper House doesn't match in the first place.

Doble properly explained it naman. The 1st time around, his family was held hostage by ISAFP, and his answers were fed to him by his handlers. Kahit siguro pagpatay kay Ninoy, aaminin ng kahit sino na nasa ganoong sitwasyon. This time around, he has retired from the AFP, and his family is now safely hidden, kaya he's free to talk. His statements during the Senate investigation was corroborated naman in part by Bishop Soc. And mas kalokohan yung statement ng AFP before na walang wiretapping capability ang ISAFP. The Hello Garci tapes prove it, kaya nga nag-sorry si Pandak, di ba? Why else would she bother to apologize then, if it wasn't her in the 1st place??

He first claimed that he wasn't part of the wiretapping group then now he claims that he can save conversations to a SIM Card (which is entirely impossible).

It's a matter of interpretation. He did'nt do the actual wiretapping, since he said that was arranged already by his superiors. He was just assigned to monitor the conversations and transcribe them. And re: the SIM card, I postulated earlier my comment on this in another thread.

It's a question of credibility. Who is more credible? Esperon & Garci or Doble? Ang naging kasalanan lang ni Doble was naging mercenary siya. He sold the tapes for a sizeable amount, 2M, with the money coming from Laarni Enriquez, Estrada's mistress. Remember, Esperon was implicated in the Hello Garci tapes too. Gen. Gudani and Col. Baluyot testified that they were implicitly given orders to make Pandak win in their respective command areas, but they refused. Na-freeze tuloy yung career ng 2, hanggang mag-retiro si Gudani.

[chua_riwap]

^^ Well said, Galax......