Boycott the Big Four (Petron, Shell, Chevron, Total)= Cheaper Local Oil Prices?

[Dr.Kamiya]

Total is now part of the "big boys"? I always thought I was supporting one of the smaller players everytime I gassed up at one of thier stations. =/

Either way I think a boycott just isn't going to work. The smaller players have nowhere near enough distribution capacity to support a boycott, and the media this idea is riding on (the internet) just doesn't have enough reach. TV can bring the audience of course, but no journalist or station will dare broadcast something like that for fear of getting slapped silly in a courtroom.

[Dr.Kamiya]

By the way, in the US prices of oil is about 3.90 per gallon or 45 pesos per liter. Di ba mas mahal gas dito?Regardless if IBON is deemed as leftist, I think they are tellin the truth.

Yes, but the IBON report fails to notice that gas prices in the US are very cheap compared to most other western countries, and indeed world prices.

In fact, if you compare our gas prices to anywhere else in the world, you'll notice that if you exclude government-subsidised oil areas like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Burma, Malaysia, Kuwait, China, Taiwan, South Korea, Trinidad and Tobago, Brunei and Nigeria, oil here is very cheap. We are paying, on average 1.22 USD/li. The world average is at 1.6 to 1.8 USD/li.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasolin...ound_the_world

IMO, the IBON report is nothing but leftist leaning crap, and we won't get anything out of following those recommendations than further destabilization which is really the last thing we want in this country.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Oil is cheaper in the US in part because it's also subsidized by the government. My tax dollars at work.

[jpdm]

The email that was sent to me a few weeks ago... talks about boycotting the BIg Four, Petron, Shell, Caltex and Total.

This one was sent to me last night. I just got this email and it only talks about Shell and Caltex (Chevron).

(I omitted the name of the person who sent it to me. Incidentally, he came from a government think tank.I did not edit anything from the email)

Subject: How to fight back the continuing gas price increase
To:
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 5:20 AM


--> [SIZE=3]This sounds logical. There’s no harm in trying it out. Let’s not buy gas from Shell, Caltex and Petron. Buy only from the small gas suppliers. I just hope they’re not owned also by the big gas suppliers and that oil pricing does not go beyond gas suppliers, i.e., Middle East politicians. [/SIZE]

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THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' GAS FOR ONE DAY, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOU HOW
WE CAN GET GAS BACK DOWN TO P30.00 PER LITER.

This was sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. If you are tired
of the gas prices going up AND they will continue to rise this summer, take time to read this please.

Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea.
This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May!
It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!! !!

I hear we are going to hit close to P75.00 a LITER by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down?

We need to take some intelligent, united action. The oil companies
just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.

It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can Really work. Please read on and join with us!

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about P30.00 is
super cheap. Me too! It is currently P45.00/liter for regular
unleaded in my town.

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at P30 - P35/liter, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace. ..not sellers.

With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action.

The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.

How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas.

But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to
force a price war.

Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY
gasoline from the two biggest companies SHELL and CALTEX.

If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their
prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have
to follow suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of SHELLand CALTEX gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp outon me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is toreach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at
least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) and those 300 send it to at least ten
more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers.If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!

If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED
MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all!

(If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people....&n bsp; Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am. so trust me on this one.

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to
ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people
could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!

I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you!
Acting together we can make a difference.

If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from SHELL/CALTEX UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE P30.00 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.


Keep it going


[/SIZE]

New PIDS telephone numbers 893-95-85 up to 893-95-92

What do you think?

[jpdm]

+1 madami kasi tayong kababayan magaling magreklamo. Pagdating sa solusyon, sobrang "wishful thinking". Kaya maiinis ka lang sa mga binabangit dito sa thread...

Sir, do not take this thread too seriously. This is just a forum.

Now, this thread does not attempt to force people to find a solution. This was meant to discuss a proposition and its outcomes that may be logical for some but ridiculous for others.

I just hope tsikoteers refrain from resorting to personal attacks and insults.

Lets discuss things here as gentlemen.

[angbatangobong]

Sir jp, your quote seems to have a point. But remember that there are way too many public utility drivers who do'nt have e-mail addresses, a surely big reduction to the impact.:peace:.

[uls]

that email sounds no different from all those other chain emails like the earthquake email, send-this-to-everyone-or-you-will-die emails...

It's amazing anyone with above average intellect would take that email seriously.

from a friend of a retired coke exec who is a retired Halliburton engineer?

really?

i can come up with something like that too...

A guy sent me an email... he's a retired San Miguel Corp. exec who has a friend who used to work for Exxon-Mobil.

He says the real reason why George Bush went to Saudi Arabia earlier this year wasnt to ask the Saudi king to increase oil production to lower oil price.

The King was angry coz the falling dollar was wiping out his dollar based wealth. The king threatened to shift his huge, huge, colossal dollar holdings to Euro.

Bush panicked. He got on Air Force 1 and flew to Saudi Arabia.

Bush went to Saudi Arabia to appease the king.

Bush promised the king he will be compensated...

How did Bush compensate the king?

After Bush's Saudi visit, investment banks and influential oil industry personalities suddenly came out with $150-$200 oil price predictions.

Coincidence?

An oil bull run was created... investors rushed into the oil market with their billion dollar funds...

In just a few months, oil went from less than $100 per barrel to over $140 per barrel.

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for the sake of argument, ive read the thread again and just want to point out some of the things mentioned by sir jpdm here.

But the problem is, the oligopoly is already here. Its hard to break it up. In fact it took many years before Total was allowed to put up a gas station in both expressway-North and South because perhaps there is a pressure from the big three not to allow anyone except them to put up establishments there.

Hindi ba marketing strategy lang yan?

Mahal mag-maintain ng malaking gas station like the ones selling the products of the big four. mawala lang kalahati ng customer nila sa isang araw sarado mga yan.

I beg to differ... the maintenance cost is lower for the oil companies because other establishments are renting their land like starbucks, jolibee, mcdo, etc. in fact, profitable pa for them.

Palagay ko, we just cut into half the revenues of the Big Four, by patronizing those numerous local oil players instead of these multinationals, bababa presyo ng gas dito to their realistic levels...

so your saying na with less than 15% profit margin, cut natin in half to less than 7.5%? so kung ganon, kaya na nila negotiate sa bank to give them 5% - 6% interest with their billions rather than having the risk with the business.

believe you me, that the profit margin is not that much for the oil companies here. i have a professor that worked for one of the big four for more than 30 years. he said they did not even do anything different from the past but it seems that people are crucifying them for methods used as far back as the late 90's. the only problem we have is fluctuating oil price per barrel. its very unstable to predict the out come in months to come.

The email is NOT about asking for price control. Only to exercise our right to choose. There is a need to tell in any way that as consumers we have the power to choose. In an oligopolistic situation (created by the BIg four), the only way is to go outside--meaning look for alternatives

actually ive read sa isang thread about the gas of sea oil, flying-v, and others... ive tested it on one of our cars. first is to drain the gas then filling up with shell, then i got a pretty normal running car and got a mileage of 11kms/liter. then i tried it with seaoil, guess what? ive experienced radical RPM and FC got down to 9kms/l. i would not change my gas preference if the difference of 20 cents or less would do those to my car.

my 2 cents worth.

[valskie01]

my opinion about this thread?

nakakadismayang basahin itong thread na ito. puro pataasan ng ihe. ayaw magpatalo ang iba. yung ibang tsikoteer imbes na mag bigay ng opinion/ arguments eh nagtitirahan at nang iinsulto pa

part of me want to take side with sir jpdm to boycott this big 3 oil companies or to switch to small players but di ko magawa, for the reason na mas kampante akong magpa gas sa mga big three companies. dami ko kasing naririnig na bad feedback sa mga small players re: fuel quality.

advice lang po. consider others better than yourself.

[Jun aka Pekto]

More competition.....

$3.65-$3.69/gal...... The low end of of the average now tops off at $3.69 compared to $3.74 yesterday.

I get the feeling these companies are the ones who get their supply from New Mexico while the big companies like Chevron still truck them all the way from the Gulf Of Mexico. They're still stuck at $3.89-$3.99/gal.