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    #11
    Quote Originally Posted by 111prez View Post
    I agree. This is all a matter of evidence already. Whoever is liable should pay. That is the fair resolution.
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    i think this is the crux of the matter.
    "who is liable?"
    is it the carpark operator and its guard, who are tasked with guarding each and every vehicle in the park?
    is it the car manufacturer, who designed that car part as to be very easily remove-able with a simple flick of the wrist?
    is it the car owner, who carelessly left his laptop on the car seat, to be ogled at by potential robber?

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    #12
    kaya bawat car slot dapat may dedicated cctv para malinaw kung sino may kasalanan

    if the carpark owner will be made responsible for damage and/or loss he should do everything to protect his interest

    so kailangan niya gumastos para sa additional surveillance equipment and personnel tapos ipapasa niya sa customer ang additional cost

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    #13
    If this law will be passed, dapat covered din mga paid street parking being operated by LGUs. Nagbabayad din naman tayo so dapat wala din silang waiver of liability.

    Also, does this mean kapag free ang parking, wala ng liability mga car park operator?
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    #14
    Wala na magtayo ng parking structures bahala na mga tao mag park sa kalsada.


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    #15
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    kaya bawat car slot dapat may dedicated cctv para malinaw kung sino may kasalanan

    if the carpark owner will be made responsible for damage and/or loss he should do everything to protect his interest

    so kailangan niya gumastos para sa additional surveillance equipment and personnel tapos ipapasa niya sa customer ang additional cost
    i can see it now...
    "parking fee 400 pesos per first 3 hours."

    breakdown:
    200 for the park operator.
    200 for the individualized guard who will sit beside the car all the time.
    Last edited by dr. d; June 4th, 2021 at 12:24 PM.

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    #16
    Quote Originally Posted by 111prez View Post
    Note that the bill outlaws the absolute waiver of liability now written on the terms and conditions of the parking tickets.

    If something happens to the car while in the carpark, the carpark operator cannot just wash their hands like what they are doing now.

    This bill, if it becomes law, should ensure that these carpark owners/operators do their part in keeping the vehicles of their patrons safe and secure.

    In my case, I parked at Robinsons Pioneer some years back and one headlamp washer of the MS was stolen. Talagang naiwan nalang ay butas. Mukhang na pag tripan lang siguro. Vehicle was parked near the entrance and within full view of the guard. I complained to the car park / mall operator. Guess what? Walang nangyari. Hugas kamay sila. Hindi puede yun. Na perwisyo na ako, nagbayad pa ako sa car park at ako pa ang nawalan. Never went back to that place and luckily never had to.

    This bill is timely and should be passed.
    i agree on this bill.. pero lawmakers should also consider the business viability of a parking service... if the rates are too low, then parking operators might use the lots for commercial establishments instead of making a parking facility.. just like how a toll way operator considers the long term business in investing in operating an express way.

    correct me if im wrong but commercial establishments like malls have "insurance" for building related accidents, right? say there's a malfunction in an elevator or escalator causing injury to a patron..

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    #17
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    i can see it now...
    "parking fee 400 pesos per first 3 hours."

    breakdown:
    200 for the park operator.
    200 for the individualized guard who will sit beside the car all the time.

    yes yan ang gusto ng customer eh

    gusto ng customer sagutin ng mall owner pag may nangyari sa kotse niya

    so sisiguraduhin ng mall owner wala mangyayari but it comes with high cost

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    #18
    when my side mirrors were sikwat-ed, the park operator offered to pay for damages.
    marami kaming car owners ang na-sikwatan that day.
    sagot daw ng security agency, i was told by someone.

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    #19
    Mixed feelings about this.

    If it's valet or a parking facility that requires you to surrender your car keys, you have technically relinquished control of your vehicle. In which case, the valet operator or facility is liable for anything that will happen to the vehicle while it's in their custody or care. This is so because the valet parking is usually blocked off from public access.

    If it's just a regular parking facility, no. In this case, you are paying to lease a parking space that may or may not include reasonable, "best effort" security. As a car owner, you bear the burden of proof that the parking facility were intentionally negligent.
    Last edited by oj88; June 4th, 2021 at 12:34 PM.

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    #20
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    yes yan ang gusto ng customer eh

    gusto ng customer sagutin ng mall owner pag may nangyari sa kotse niya

    so sisiguraduhin ng mall owner wala mangyayari but it comes with high cost
    dapat as parking facility operator meron din silang "responsibility" kasi nag babayad na din naman sa service at the same time sa space ng occupy nung kotse... pwede naman siguro ma consider ng parking operator owner yan..

    wag naman yung totally walang liability.. kasi kung wala, eh di pwede pala ako mag operate ng parking facility tapos side line ko yung "surplus" parts.. hehe

    kung may papahanap ka side mirror, teka check ko kung available yan model na hanap mo.. tingnan natin kung may naka park..

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