Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
If entry into "Heaven" is based on the belief in the proper God and following his rules properly, then we're all ****ed

Because nobody knows which religion is "right"... and if primacy were a valid test of legitimacy, then there are many religions with a better claim to being "true" than any of the Abrahmic religions. (which borrowed heavily from several other proto-religions and older religious traditions... I studied a lot about religion in both High School and College).

In other words, you're playing the God Lottery without a full set of numbers to choose from.



No, it won't suddenly "come to life". First you have persistent membranes that form, like bubbles, which allows isolation from the environment. These bubbles become persistent, and chemical reactions start taking place inside.

Before you continue on ranting about abiogenesis, you might as well educate yourself on current theories. They're fascinating.



Evolution doesn't have to. The theory of evolution merely states that whatever system multiplies... multiplies. The explanations themselves are another matter. This is the funny thing about Creationists/Intelligent-Design-advocates... they can't deny "micro-evolution", that changes do occur over short time periods... but they say that somehow this doesn't result in changes over long periods of time... which flies in the face of all available evidence.

And even if it can't describe the exact beginnings of life, that doesn't make it any less valid.



No double standard. Science accepts what is "best fit" based on current evidence and theory. If something else fits better, that becomes accepted. It may bug some people... the impermanence of surety. But if you can't change your mind based on new evidence, then you won't get very far in life if what you believed in at first wasn't right.

I studied religion. Under humanities. That's science. Social sciences, to be more precise.

Studying it as theology? That's indoctrination. Theology is philosophical musings based on unprovable/unfalsifiable assumptions.

Logic can be taught in such an abstract manner... but it is understood that arguments given in the study of logic are purely abstract and have no bearing on the real world. When you apply logic to actual, physical evidence, it then becomes science.



Power through forcing belief. How about the struggle over religion in school? Or gay marriage? The resistance to gay marriage is PRECISELY the religious forcing belief on others.

Also, it's apparent you've never had someone try to "convert" you. I got that a lot in College, because my beard and hair makes me look vaguely non-Christian.
This much i can glean from what you said...that science is a process or in a prpcess and what was arrived at at this point is most plausible explanation...but that doesnt mean it is the correct explanation. Just the best fit with watever we have at this point by virtue of evidence, experiments, whatnot. So whatever science says we need to take with a grain of salt because tomorrow another explanation might arrive which is better.

On the double standard i still disagree. Take for example gay marriage. (No offense on the gay/lgbt community). On one side people are saying we champion a certain ***uality so we want to have gay marriage so we can enjoy the benefits that law provides. Don't force your religion on us. On the other hand we have people pushing back saying that is wrong and unacceptable. Don't force your gay or whatever beliefs on us. If there's mutual respect at this point i think ok pa e. But when one side demands that the other conform to their way of thinking that's when we get problems. Marriage is obviously considered sacred by most and as i understand it, all things sacred must ascribe to specific criteria. If it doesn't e di hindi na sacred. Why force whatever church then to recognize gay marriage? Kanya-kanyang trip na lang walang basagan. As long as the state accepts, why the need to force specific institutions to conform to that way of thinking too?

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