"old school" diesels

[badkuk]

peeps, what would make an engine "old school"?

ano ung advantages niya, aside from possibly lower maintenance costs? pagkaintindi ko, engines like these will do well with flood fording, basta wag lang pasukan ng tubig ang intake. Very little electricals, so it should keep chugging along even when wet. tama ba?

meron pa bang mga old school diesels in the market?

[drey]

yep... for me, old school diesel engines are more dependable in hostile areas. They are more easier to maintain. Less electricals, no system box makes no hindrances in water fording.

[scharnhorst]

um, automatic ba na pag naturally aspirated, tapos mechanical injection, old school na?

or does it have to be older than that?

[vinj]

For me, as long as there's no ECU and it's not finicky to fuel quality then i consider it old school enough... D.I. can still fall under that maybe. Such engines are the 4D56, TD27, TD42, 4M40... and the Jeepney Isuzu diesels...

[OTEP]

May 'old school' automatic transmission din. Yung mga wala pang electronic controls.

Old school engines mostly yung from the 70's and 80's na in production pa din hanggang ngayon.

[mbeige]

Old school diesel engines are mostly built of cast iron which are very unlikely to have headgasket/warpage problems. This is the reason they are so darn reliable and bombproof. My MB diesel friends all have these, they range from the slow but uber reliable 240D's (2.4L inline-4 66hp normally aspirated diesels) to the 300DT's (3.0L inline-5 123hp turbocharged).

We once had a chance to own an '81 300TD with 369k miles on the odometer. I'm confident to say it's never been rebuilt although I could be wrong. It can still run 100++ kph on the highway no problems sobrang tibay talaga.

The old school diesels usually still have the glow plugs to warm the pre/chambers to start the engines. Meron pang old school diesels in the market pero syempre they're almost always second hand cars na unless some manufacturers still produce them to this day.

Doc Otep is right, even the transmissions of our cars are vacuum-controlled, not electric!

[drey]

OT: What is vacuum door locks?

[niky]

Isuzu Crosswind. Can't get any more old-school than that.

No ECU, No CRDi, No timing belt or chain (direct gear-driven cams only).

No power, either, but you can't have everything...

The only things missing from the Crosswind to make it a perfect "Apocalypse" car is four wheel drive, a snorkel and locking differentials.

[OTEP]

OT: What is vacuum door locks?

These are old school power door locks (popular on old Benzes) which used engine vacuum instead of electric motors to drive the central locking system.

I have converted to electric actuators already.

[4JGtootsie]

Newer diesel engines are all Electronically monitored and controlled.It has the ability to program engine to limp, derate and shutdown when it feels the engine is in danger. Efficiency and emission is there prime concern.

Old school has no electronics or engine management. You can run the engine until it explodes if you really want to. Easier to diagnose and predictable. Medyo mas malakas sa diesel than EFI.

Badkuk, old school engines have less problems in floods since electronic shorting and failure is non existent. Engine wash is not a nightmare.

[XTO]

sabi nga malakas sa basaan. engine bay washing is always included everytime i wash my auv. walang sayang sa tirang shampoo.

[larshell]

Can we say that old school diesel engine is more durable but not economical?
I remember Isuzu C-190 engine very durable but not economical. It is very slow and noisy.

[1997]

Kahit ba yung Alternator ok lang mabasa?

[pump_mann]

sies, dont forget the SD23 nissan engines. Noisy but tourqey at matipid sa gas

[4JGtootsie]

1997,
Ok lang mabasa ang alternator but avoid it. May mga ic and diodes kasi.

larshell,
Unfortunately yes, it is more inefficient.
My first diesel is SD 23, a true workhorse, reliable and fast.
The gemini engines are also fast and legendary.

[Bogeyman]

For me, as long as there's no ECU and it's not finicky to fuel quality then i consider it old school enough... D.I. can still fall under that maybe. Such engines are the 4D56, TD27, TD42, 4M40... and the Jeepney Isuzu diesels...

By D.I., do you mean 'direct injection' or 'distribution injection'? If it's the former, AFAIK hindi kasama ang 4D56 since may prechamber pa siya.

[alwayz_yummy]

so 2c-te ng lite ko, semi-old- school?

may ecu/daignosis ports for easy pinpoint ng prob.. pero most 2c-te na nililipat sa mga FX can still work well even w/o that ecu..

nga pala matic din nakakabit..

how about 3c-t and 3c-TE.... 1kd-ftv? 2L-TE, 3L-TE?

*4jtoots: about alternator:

mas ok pala ang non-bulit-in IC-regulator sa alternator when comes to water forging? original nitong lite ko is non-built-in IC regulator, pero now pinalitan ko built-in(wala kasi ganun,e..),

[4JGtootsie]

Alwayz
Isa sa mga kalaban ng Integrated Circuits is moisture. Another is heat that is why may heat sink sila to dessipate excess heat. Though IC in the alternator is more weather proof than the remote or voltage regulator type, extra caution should done when spraying water especially sa carwash when it still hot.

Bogeyman,
DI is more used to Direct Injection. Pwede rin DI ang tawag sa injection pump (na hindi inline) but they usually use rotary pump para di nakakalito. Good inquiry cause I think the rotary pump in early days was called distributor because of their similar operation.

[Bogeyman]

DI is more used to Direct Injection. Pwede rin DI ang tawag sa injection pump (na hindi inline) but they usually use rotary pump para di nakakalito. Good inquiry cause I think the rotary pump in early days was called distributor because of their similar operation.

CMIIW, but I'm under the impression na inline-four ang 4D56, using indirect fuel injection (distributor type) with a prechamber.

Therefore, this lack of direct injection makes the 4D56 an old-school powerplant. Tama ba? :confused:

[4JGtootsie]

If I remember it right meron precombustion chamber ang 4D56. In line din ang injection pump (kasi non turbo version). I dont know with the newer 4D56 if rotary na. The sureball way to know is to find out the compression ratio. DI have higher ratios than those with precombustion chambers.