starter problem

[chris_d]

Problem: Car wont start
Vehicle: 95 Accord, A/T
Temporary fix: tap the starter with a hammer

At this point i think the starter is failing, does anyone know of a shop where i can drive to for them to have the starter motor fixed or cleaned? or will i have to buy a new starter?

Would i be able to take it apart myself? I should be able to remove it, I just dont know what to do once its out...

Any help would be appreciated.

[non-vtec]

with my current ride, i was able to fix the starter noise by regreasing the gears with the help of a DIY website. you can also try wizzard in tomas morato. specialty nila yan.

just in case your starter fails or is beyond repair, i still have s spare starter (reduction type, phdm.) from my old accord. just pm me.

[speedyfix]

normally it's just the starter solenoid that you have to replace. while it's out have the rest of the starter cleaned narin.

[chris_d]

thanks for the responses, kaya ba ayusin sa shop nyo speedyfix?

[mangdencio]

thanks for the responses, kaya ba ayusin sa shop nyo speedyfix?

i'm sure speedyfix can fix that speedily!your starter seems to have jamming gears that respond to tapping as temporary relief. it should be detached for bench testing (hold-in and pull-in) and disassembled for faulty parts inspection in the solenoid (brushes, etc) and the armature assembly (shaftings, bushings, drive mechanism, etc)...it's quite an easy diy task if you've done it before but i suggest you bring it to a specialist and observe how it's done.make sure to ask questions.

[chris_d]

anyone know any mechanic who can do home service to remove/test/repair the starter? ayaw na mag start...

[BoEinG_747]

sir chris _d...baka meron malapit na electrical shop sa place ninyo ..
pwede nyo naman imbitahin ang mga technician nila sa bahay ninyo

[orly_andico]

I was gonna say "push start it.." like I used to do a number of times with my 626 when the starter was giving problems.. then I noticed it's an auto tranny.

I'd put my money on ungreased/corroded planetary gearbox in the nose of the starter, and/or the starter solenoid. Another possibility is the brushes are worn out: whacking the starter would cause a good connection for a time so the motor can crank over.

If it's just a recondition job (clean it, change brushes, regrease planetary gearbox) should not cost more than 1000. Where are you located?

edit: my 626's starter failed twice during a very short span of time. First after the September typhoon because I drove through flooded streets and it filled up with mud; and second a month later because one of the brushes was totally worn out.

What I learned is that, the starter is a very simple piece of machinery. On the 626 at least, it is attached to the engine by only two bolts and is very easy to remove. I could actually recondition a (626/Kia Sportage) starter myself, now that I've seen it done twice.

You can probably get some shade-tree mechanic from the local talyer to remove your starter. Then hand-carry it to your favorite electrical shop and let them have at it. Here near our house there's an electrical shop which does a lot of A/C and cooling fan work. I had them fix my starter. They used jeepney starter brushes because that's what they had: they just ground down the jeepney starter brushes on a bench grinder so they'd fit in the 626 starter. No problems so far..

[chris_d]

Taga paranaque po ako, sa may bicutan/better living area, cguro sa monday ikot ikot ako dito malapit sa amin, if you know any shops nearby pa advise na lang po, thanks, nahihirapan lang kasi ako tangalin yun starter kasi ang sikip nung location nya sa ilalim nung distributor...

[speedyfix]

you can always have the car towed...

[mangdencio]

Taga paranaque po ako, sa may bicutan/better living area, cguro sa monday ikot ikot ako dito malapit sa amin, if you know any shops nearby pa advise na lang po, thanks, nahihirapan lang kasi ako tangalin yun starter kasi ang sikip nung location nya sa ilalim nung distributor...

chris_d,
remove the through bolts of the starter from underneath. i.e. remove the ground connection from the battery, disconnect the starter connectors, chock the rear wheels and jack up the car enough for you to access the underside.once you remove the trough bolts, it should come off outwards easily.

[chris_d]

Thanks for the replies guys, I was actually able to remove the starter yesterday morning, it took me about an hour an a half (including rest), i removed the battery to make some room.

The repair of the starter cost me 2.4k, it took the shop about 5 minutes to check it and swap in a repaired/rewound armature, they had a lot of starters and alternators on display, the solenoid was still working. I had it fixed in better living, sa tapat ng petron, rey electrical center. narecommend yun ng trabahador namin dito sa bahay.

[Galactus]

Buti na lang natanggal mo yung starter just by removing the battery. When I had my starter solenoid replaced, pati yung air intake assembly, tinanggal kasi masyadong masikip.

One thing I can say about the 5th Gen Accord, its not mechanic-friendly. Pati pagpalit ng fuel-filter, you have to remove a lot of parts to make room.

[chris_d]

medyo masikip nga, pero tinamad ako tanggalin yung air intake, hehe... ok na yung kotse, ngayon ang problema ko yung lumang ford telstar namin, may leak sa water pump! buti na lang available parts sa ford master sa banawe papagawa ko next week pati timing belt nun..

[jazcker]

may problema din po ako sa starter ko...just this morning when i left home nag-start pa auto ko. then when i arrived here at work derecho ako sa chronolog namin para mag-swipe in. bago ko bumaba ng auto pinatay ko muna engine.pagkatapos ko mag-swipe ini-start ko yun auto ayaw na. wala din sya tunog na nagka-crank. when you turn on the key tahimik lang sya...i just ask for the help of my co-workers para mai-push start ko ang auto ko. i needed the car to start kasi malayo pa ko sa parking lot. starter po kaya ang problema???

[mangdencio]

may problema din po ako sa starter ko...just this morning when i left home nag-start pa auto ko. then when i arrived here at work derecho ako sa chronolog namin para mag-swipe in. bago ko bumaba ng auto pinatay ko muna engine.pagkatapos ko mag-swipe ini-start ko yun auto ayaw na. wala din sya tunog na nagka-crank. when you turn on the key tahimik lang sya...i just ask for the help of my co-workers para mai-push start ko ang auto ko. i needed the car to start kasi malayo pa ko sa parking lot. starter po kaya ang problema???

check your battery connections for loose grounding, broken lugs, etc...umiilaw ba ang dashboard and headlights?

[jazcker]

check your battery connections for loose grounding, broken lugs, etc...umiilaw ba ang dashboard and headlights?

i think hindi po sa battery. umaandar po ang fan e...even the aircon and the radio.

[mangdencio]

i think hindi po sa battery. umaandar po ang fan e...even the aircon and the radio.

check the battery cells' specific gravity
(if it's conventional) one by one using a hydrometer (available at SM, Ace Hardware, Handyman, etc)if at least one cell's dead , that will read less than 12 v on the voltmeter which is not enough to start your battery (Cold Cranking Amperage)...if battery's ok, the starter should be brought down for bench testing the solenoid and armature assembly. check loose connections to the starter motor and / or loose mounting bolts of the starter motor.hope this helps.

[alvin_alvin]

nangyari na sakin yan, ang naging problema nung sa akin ay yung wire na galing susian papunta sa starter or kung saan para ma triger ung starter. eh nag loose, in short electrical wiring ang naging problem.

[jazcker]

wiring nga po ang problema...
natanggal yun wire ng solenoid...
thanks...:chopper: