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    Good day mga pre. Last week i went to an aircon shop and have my aircon check. D daw masyado lumalamig aircon ko at baka daw hindi na original condenser nya. In short, they advice me to but laminated condenser. What really is the effect of laminated condenser from the normal type? my car is a 97 Lancer Glxi....

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    Hindi kaya evaporator ang ibig niya sabihin? Condenser kasi is yung part in the engine bay. May laminated na ba nun? Evaporator naman is the cooling part under the dashboard.

    Marami ngang nagsasabi na ok ang laminated evaporator. But the price of those 'laminated type' is way over the price of a conventional type. So the cost/benefit ratio is not really in my favor. A conventional cooling coil is adequate for my application.

    Maybe you just need some a/c cleaning or replacement of smaller components? Nothing as major as an evap swap.
    Last edited by OTEP; September 12th, 2006 at 11:50 PM.

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    Go to another aircon shop for a second opinion. Tagasaan ka?

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    Mahal ba yang condenser na yan? My ride is a sentra LEC ang nangyayari pag tumatakbo ay "MEDYO" malamig siya pero pag nakahinto sa traffic eh nawawala talaga ang lamig I read here somewhere na baka condenser daw. Di ko pa siya napatignan at wala pa budget baka kasi mahal.
    Sir Otep kaya ba Idiagnose ni mang mar yung problem ko sa aircon? TIA for your reply!

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    And one more thing pa pala Doc, mag magkano kaya prepare ko cash for that? Sana di gano mahal> tnx uli.

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    Kung lumalamig habang umaandar at umiinit while stopped, usually aux fan problem iyan. Nangyari na din iyan dun sa B13 (LEC body) na ginagamit namin sa Caloocan. Aux fan din ang problem.

    Minsan umaandar nga aux fan pero madumi naman yung condenser na hinahanginan niya so less effective.

    Php3,500.00 ata ang evaporator. Wala pang nasiraan ng condenser dito. Kahit yung mga 80's and below na sasakyan kaya bihira ako mag-suspetsa na condenser ang salarin.

    Yup, pwede mo naman ipa-diagnose kay Mar.
    Last edited by OTEP; September 12th, 2006 at 11:53 PM.

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    Nung pinarepair ninyo yung sentra ninyo with the same problem with mine magkano inabot? Nung ma aquire ko kasi itong car ay super lamig talaga ang aircon (na pag sinbing nissan lamig talaga aircon) until magyari na nga ito.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OTEP View Post
    Kung lumalamig habang umaandar at umiinit while stopped, usually aux fan problem iyan. Nangyari na din iyan dun sa B13 (LEC body) na ginagamit namin sa Caloocan. Aux fan din ang problem.

    Minsan umaandar nga aux fan pero madumi naman yung condenser na hinahanginan niya so less effective.

    Php3,500.00 ata ang evaporator. Wala pang nasiraan ng condenser dito. Kahit yung mga 80's and below na sasakyan kaya bihira ako mag-suspetsa na condenser ang salarin.

    Yup, pwede mo naman ipa-diagnose kay Mar.
    Sir OTEP, na-mention mo yung madalas mangyari sa sasakyan namin (pajero '90 boxtype exceed) - malamig pag umaandar, tapos umiinit pag nakahinto...

    Actually ang dalas ko na nga sa aircon repair shop, average siguro every 3 months, lagi iba ang dahilan... minsan leak, minsan palit parts... sakit sa bulsa... lalo pag may pamilya ka

    Minsan naiisip ko baka niloloko na lang ako ng repair shop (although kilala naman namin)... Advise naman please. Salamat po!

    pahabol, kung walang tint sasakyan, mas madali ba masira aircon? napansin ko kasi pag tag-ulan at malamig panahon, madalang din masira hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by glb10570 View Post
    Good day mga pre. Last week i went to an aircon shop and have my aircon check. D daw masyado lumalamig aircon ko at baka daw hindi na original condenser nya. In short, they advice me to but laminated condenser. What really is the effect of laminated condenser from the normal type? my car is a 97 Lancer Glxi....
    baka nga you're referring to the evaporator. may mga laminated na evaporator (vs yung serpentine-type). ang pagkaka-alam ko, mas mabilis lumamig ang laminated evaporator (eg. yung RATE ng paglamig ng aircon) pero humahabol din ang serpentine-type kaya eventually papantay na din ang lamig nila (eg. yung ABSOLUTE temperature).

    a while kasi inisip ko din palitan ng laminated evaporator ang kotse ko pero after a thorough discussion with the aircon shop, i decided to stick with the serpentine-type. so far, okay naman ang lamig.

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    anu ba yun laminated evaporator, iba ba yun serpentine o may serpentine na laminated. diba yun laminated eh protection sa corrosion?

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    Hindi ko lang po sure wala kasi ako interes dun sa laminated, hehe. Pero ito yata yung may 'blue film' minsan. Parang yung windshield surround ng Patrol kapag bago.

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    ah so it serves one purpose, that is to protect it from corrosion. minimal siguro ang difference nila sa cooling.

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    mga guys nagkamali pala ako, laminated evaporator pala. hehehe. thanks for all your reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by afrasay View Post
    anu ba yun laminated evaporator, iba ba yun serpentine o may serpentine na laminated. diba yun laminated eh protection sa corrosion?
    okay, base sa pakikipagusap ko sa denso guy, kapag laminated, mas maliliit ang tubes. kapag serpentine, mas malalaki ang tubes. therefore, kapag mas maliliit ang tubes (as in laminated), mas maraming tubes per any given volume (vis-a-vis the serpentine type). so, parang sa radiator din yan. kung mas maraming tubes at mas maliliit ang tube, you increase the surface area na dinadaluyan ng hangin galing sa blower ng aircon, kaya mas madaling lumamig ang area na pinalalamig ng aircon. like i said, ang affected lang e ang RATE na paglamig. kasi eventually, makakahabol din ang serpentine-type kaya after an x number of minutes, magsing-lamig din ang aircon na naka-serpentine at naka-laminated.

    (etong mga susunod na nakasulat e hula ko na talaga) i think laminated and serpentine refers to the method of production (o pag-manufacture) ng evaporator. yung serpentine kasi parang isang mahabang tubo na binalu-balulktot lang nila (na parang ahas - hence, serpentine). yung laminated e madaming malilit na tubes na inihain nila sa isang box (na parang mga bristles ng toothbrush) na ni-laminate lang nila sa dalawang magkabilang dulo ng evaporator.

    btw, in my opinion, stay stock. kung ang stock ng kotse mo e serpentine (as in EK civic), stay serpentine. kung ang stock ng kotse mo e laminated (as in camry and most nissans), stay laminated. kasi may grooves ang "bahay" ng evaporator para sa evaporator. kapag binago ang evaporator, baka hindi na swak sa housing nito. baka magka-problema lang in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glb10570 View Post
    Good day mga pre. Last week i went to an aircon shop and have my aircon check. D daw masyado lumalamig aircon ko at baka daw hindi na original condenser nya. In short, they advice me to but laminated condenser. What really is the effect of laminated condenser from the normal type? my car is a 97 Lancer Glxi....
    Pre na-check ba kung may leak yung condenser mo or kung may bara sya? If you don't see any leaks you don't need to replace it. Kung barado naman may chemical lang na inilalagay para mawala ang bara. Madalang masira ang condenser.

    AFAIK kung R12 gamit mo ok na ang serpentine (walang coating) pero most vehicles that have R134A laminated na ang condenser (may coating) para mas matibay.

    BTW, meron ding condenser na serpertine pero laminated sya
    Last edited by jim; September 13th, 2006 at 06:00 PM.

is laminated condenser better than the normal type?