The Fall of Nissan CVT

[StockEngine]

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...nd-rogue-slump

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[moipogi]

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...nd-rogue-slump

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Where in the article is the CVT? Medyo misleading subject. . . Nissan's sales fell dahil they pulled back on incentives, pending new models.


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[leonleon]

Where in the article is the CVT? Medyo misleading subject. . . Nissan's sales fell dahil they pulled back on incentives, pending new models.


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Nalito din ako.

Parang di akma yung title ng thread?

Exaggerated much?

[17Sphynx17]

Yung sa di makaahon, malamang naninibago pa lang yung mayari ng CVT, or first time driving it.

Pag umaandar ka na and you stop the car for a bit then try to accelerate again, the transmission is not usually in the "First gear". Para bang nasa 2nd gear siya na pinipilit mo umahon paakyat.

You have 2 options, hold the brake long enough so the CVT shifts down to first gear, or shift it to low gear mode.

It is not a failure of the CVT but just that the driver is not used to the CVT.

Please take note, when CVTs first came to market worldwide, a lot of mechanics/owners didn't know that it used a different type of transmission fluid, CVTF, not ATF. Some owners mistakenly changed the fluid to ATF causing problems to the transmission.

Additionally, CVTF needs to be change depending on use case scenario or mileage. Ive already had my CVTF Checked and it is still clean enough to use. Normal CVTF interval for full replacement is around 80k if memory serves me right, but if you are always stuck in bumper to bumper Manila traffic, that 80k mileage will drop down. So you have to have your casa check the quality of your transmission fluid to make sure it is still usable or if it needs replacement.

I'm very happy with my Sylphy CVT, still smooth. If Nissan tells me to change CVTF, I'd gladly pay for the replacement than risk damaging my transmission and shelling out for a bigger headache down the line just because I wanted to scrimp in the maintenance expenses.

Family also owns a Honda City 2007 model i-Dsi with CVT. That required CVTF change when the transmission started to jerk a little in low gears, luckily the belts weren't damaged (these were connected to the manual mode which is prone to failure on this model). I think the mileage for that was around 60k only. Was able to save the transmission in time by having it checked else I'd need to shell out around 40k minimum based on other owners of the same car who suffered with the transmission.

So Honda, for its part, also had CVT woes. It was only until recently that Toyota shifted to CVTs right?The previous gen altis was regular AT only. Only the current gen Dual VVTi model are using CVTs.

Regular AT also needs to change ATF. I cant remember the interval of changing it though but I know it is not as "sensitive" since gear ratios are fixed.

[StockEngine]

which is non cvt in nissans lineup aside from their diesel pickups and vans?

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[StockEngine]

saw a nissan altima maybe a 16 or 17... cant get over an incline [emoji28]

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[Jun aka Pekto]

saw a nissan altima maybe a 16 or 17... cant get over an incline [emoji28]

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What kind of incline are you talking about? Just wondering because we recently got back from 2 road trips where we took highways that went up the Arizona mountains. No problems keeping up with the 65 mph speed limit (we were doing 70 mph) while climbing and with a full load of passengers/luggage.

Oh. We used the wife's 2013 Rogue SV.

[Wh1stl3r]

Our 2015 CVT equipped Xtrail is purring along nicely as well. This one has 70Tkm on it.

Remember when people used to shy away from A/T's because they say they wouldn't last as long as M/T's? These days you practically have to beg someone to buy your old M/T car. Early versions of new tech will always have their teething problems.

I also suspect some of those failures had a lot to do with the CVTF not being changed at the right intervals (if at all) or replaced with ATF 😱

[Woof]

What kind of incline are you talking about? Just wondering because we recently got back from 2 road trips where we took highways that went up the Arizona mountains. No problems keeping up with the 65 mph speed limit (we were doing 70 mph) while climbing and with a full load of passengers/luggage.

Oh. We used the wife's 2013 Rogue SV.

Did the cheeky looking little doggy join you on your road trip?

Sorry OT

[StockEngine]

#6 and #19

Car Problem Trends | CarComplaints.com

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[ray_noel]

#6 and #19

Car Problem Trends | CarComplaints.com

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Hahaha... akala ko number 1... kaya pala -28% ang sale...


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[Jun aka Pekto]

#6 and #19

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I also thought the acceleration of our 2013 Rogue was pretty weak during the first few months I drove it. Compared to my 3.3 V6 Sonata, it is. But, I've since figured out (by feel) how much to modulate the gas pedal and when. Once I was used to it, the car felt peppy enough in city traffic. Even overtaking on 2-lane roads wasn't a problem. I have dashcam footage showing me overtaking cars with no obvious struggle. The 2013 Rogue was the last of the 1st-gen design (also the last Japanese-built Rogue here). 0-60 mph acceleration varied among reviewers, anywhere from 7.9 sec to +9 sec. I would guess it's the former once the driver got used to the car.

[17Sphynx17]

I also thought the acceleration of our 2013 Rogue was pretty weak during the first few months I drove it. Compared to my 3.3 V6 Sonata, it is. But, I've since figured out (by feel) how much to modulate the gas pedal and when. Once I was used to it, the car felt peppy enough in city traffic. Even overtaking on 2-lane roads wasn't a problem. I have dashcam footage showing me overtaking cars with no obvious struggle. The 2013 Rogue was the last of the 1st-gen design (also the last Japanese-built Rogue here). 0-60 mph acceleration varied among reviewers, anywhere from 7.9 sec to +9 sec. I would guess it's the former once the driver got used to the car.

I mean, in the top 20 list of cars with complaints, sure Nissan is #6 and #19 with 2 models. But toyota has 3, honda has 5, Ford 3, Chevy has 3.

So.. Having just 2 cars in the top 20 list might seem shocking if you just talk about Nissan being part of the list, but if you look at the others in the list, you can get the bigger picture.

Besides, in our traffic, DCT is actually more problematic when you are stuck in bumper to bumper city driving. People who've driven Ford Fiesta and Ford Focus here in our roads that had DCT are well aware of the transmission shudder in slow traffic crawl. I'll take CVTs over DCTs in our traffic situation. DCTs are great for speeding in the highway, they are a blast to drive, especially in winding mountain roads. CVTs need time to adjust bursts in rpm, so it is not adviseable to rev the engines when you have CVT.

To each their own in this regard. =)

[Jun aka Pekto]

CVTs need time to adjust bursts in rpm, it is not adviseable to rev the engines when you have CVT.

That echoes what I found out with the CVT in my wife's 2013 Rogue. It's almost like the way I search for the maximum power band at a given RPM range for my Sonata except, instead of a steady application of gas until I reach the top end of a certain RPM range, I'm letting off slightly (and then applying gas) at certain intervals. They correspond to the bursts.

[17Sphynx17]

That echoes what I found out with the CVT in my wife's 2013 Rogue. It's almost like the way I search for the maximum power band at a given RPM range for my Sonata except, instead of a steady application of gas until I reach the top end of a certain RPM range, I'm letting off slightly (and then applying gas) at certain intervals. They correspond to the bursts.

I feel like I'm used to it since I have used a CVT before, though Nissan's CVT still has some quirks that Honda's didn't. I am not rev happy with the Sylphy but I do overtake. I do find the CVT is not very happy if you just floor it and rev it to 3000rpm or higher from idle/slow crawl.

The sweet spot for the 1.6 Sylphy I've found is just sticking to a range between 1500 to 2000rpm when you are coming from idle. Any more than that just burns and waste your fuel until the time the transmission is able to bite and adjust accordingly. But, say you are in motion, it's easier to accelerate and overtake, making the transmission kick down for the higher revs.

Based on what is written (heat being the main culprit to cause improperly serviced/unserviced CVT to fail), then the most likely place here in the Philippines for it to happen is in Tuguegarao where it can go over 40 Celsius, or when you are going on long trips that go up through mountain roads so the transmission can heat up just due to use, especially if you tend to use L a lot to climb up or use engine braking (Something I tend to do on regular AT when there is a manual override mode).

Oh, for the Ford Focus with DCT, it's manual mode was a blessing to stop the transmission shuddering in a slow crawl traffic situation because I could force hold the gear on first. But for the Fiesta, it didn't have the manual override mode, so it shuddered and I couldn't prevent it from happening.

[ray_noel]

I mean, in the top 20 list of cars with complaints, sure Nissan is #6 and #19 with 2 models. But toyota has 3, honda has 5, Ford 3, Chevy has 3.

So.. Having just 2 cars in the top 20 list might seem shocking if you just talk about Nissan being part of the list, but if you look at the others in the list, you can get the bigger picture.
=)

Correct. It doesnt say anything about nissan in the number 6 and 19 that causes the sales going negative...


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[17Sphynx17]

CVT Transmission Issues. (Fail safe, Whining, Temps, & FIX!) - Nissan Forum | Nissan Forums

Here is where I stand on the issue of CVTs before I bought the Sylphy. It's why I had decided servicing to be done by Nissan exclusively and not outside shop. Specially Nissan North Edsa, not Nissan Quezon Avenue cause I don't trust their service technicians not to swap parts and steal from the car.

For the Honda City 1.3 i-DSi that also has a CVT, I have it serviced in Honda every 3 years to have them check the transmission especially if it needs CVTF replacement, to avoid this issue.

Nissan North Edsa checked my CVT per my request in the 4th year of ownership. Honda's booklet (if memory serves me right) requires CVTF replacement every 80k only, and that is what caused the CVT issues in the Honda City, because of our traffic conditions. It was later found to need earlier intervals if you are in bumper to bumper traffic. 80k is mainly for smooth flowing traffic, not constant jerking to a halt.

To check CVTF, they use a refractor to see if there are debris. I rely on Honda CVTF for the City and Nissan CVTF for the Sylphy when they are replaced.

After Honda changed my CVTF for the City, the jerking issue disappeared completely for the City. I was lucky to have been able to spot the issue early. I wasn't like the other owners who were having difficulty with their transmissions that wouldn't even shift down to first gear when in manual mode. It's one of the tests the Honda advices to check CVT condition for the Honda City. I don't know how they do it now though.

Hope this helps any owners with CVT transmission, not just Sylphy owners. =)

[StockEngine]

overheating issues?
SOLUTION: 2013 - 2018 Nissan Sentra CVT Overheating Problem - YouTube

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[moipogi]

Anti Nissan talaga :-) anyway to each his own. . . never owned a nissan though I liked the 1990s Altima and Exata. 2nd gen Cefiro looked really good too.


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[StockEngine]

Drain and fill ba procedure ng cvt fluid change ng honda and nissan? both have around 4liter..

anyways subaru and toyota have way more cvtfluid sa drain and fill procedures nila. 10-14.5Liters. They last longer for sure.

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