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    #32061
    most laymen think the PCR is a yes-or-no test.
    but experts, i.e., the people who use them, know that to be able to decide between yes and no, they first have to trouble-shoot each and every test result.
    someones above already mentioned them. the amplification cycle thing, the thoroughness of the swab, virus load, handling issues, etc.
    PCR has been in use since the 80s, detecting various molecules and viruses like TB.
    it is only now that the layman got to learn about it.
    PCR is a procedure. ini-iba lang ang bala (reagents), depending on what we want it to detect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    this is the first viral disease that uses PCR as a diagnostic tool

    (sa HIV, PCR is only used to check viral load)

    i've read lots of criticism about it

    like PCR is too sensitive you end up declaring perfectly heathy people sick

    i get your point Sir Trav

    La tayo magagawa we now live under this medical/scientific "tyranny" where a perfectly healthy you can be forced to isolate coz they detected some viral RNA in your nose/throat
    Yeah, resigned to what you're saying, sir. The good thing about the sampling I shared was both had happy endings. They're now in places where access to vaccines isn't like here. So blessed![emoji120]

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    In one of the places I go to, a whole department was tested because one of them showed symptoms. Nag positive sa rt-pcr along with 25 others. Since they will be forced to quarantine, one of them contested the pcr result using the results of an antibody test. Nag negative. So now, it’s adding to the confusion in that company. Pero, as I heard, the pcr result stood.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bloowolf View Post
    In one of the places I go to, a whole department was tested because one of them showed symptoms. Nag positive sa rt-pcr along with 25 others. Since they will be forced to quarantine, one of them contested the pcr result using the results of an antibody test. Nag negative. So now, it’s adding to the confusion in that company. Pero, as I heard, the pcr result stood.


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    It's understood that unless there'll be a more foolproof detection method, RT PCR will govern over any other current COVID19 test out there.

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    last year after the Mar-Apr-May lockdown as companies resumed work madami gumamit ng rapid antibody test to screen employees

    madami nag positive sa antibody then pina-swab nag negative naman

    kaya nasira ang image ang rapid antibody test

    dami nagalit sa rapid test na yan coz it caused anxiety/stress

    di afford ng companies ipa-PCR lahat ng employees

    and what good is a negative PCR test? it only tells you wala ka virus at the time of the swab

    pano pag nahawa after the swab? araw araw swab

    kung gusto ng companies sigurado wala virus ang pumapasok na employees they should test their employees at the entrance of the building everyday (some kind of test that's as accurate as PCR but delivers result in a few minutes)
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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    kung gusto ng companies sigurado wala virus ang pumapasok na employees they should test their employees at the entrance of the building everyday (some kind of test that's as accurate as PCR but delivers result in a few minutes)
    Wonder how much this costs....


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    I consulted a pulmonologist na online. Same sila ni Dr Cutie and my Dr Uncle in the US na give biogesic only for 38 and up. She said to take a swab if in 3 days she still has temperature above 37.5 We were only prescribed betadine throat spray, biogesic and exflem



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    #32068
    Quote Originally Posted by travajante View Post
    Wonder how much this costs....


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    oh! an array!
    if it does what is advertised,
    it is bound to be costly, especially if it is paid from out-of-pocket. my un-supported guesstimate is in the realm of 15K.
    but it's not an issue in countries where medicare pays for much of the health care of its members.

    locally, "when we order tests, we invariably find out that some tests could not be done, because of lack of funds or lack of facility."
    in richer countries, we order smorgasboard, and the results are on our tables the next morning.
    "medicare takes care of everything."
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    Quote Originally Posted by travajante View Post
    Wonder how much this costs....

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    ito bago lang

    US FDA

    Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Continues to Advance Over-the Counter and Other Screening Test Development | FDA
    In total, the FDA has authorized three tests with serial screening claims (testing asymptomatic individuals multiple times on a routine basis). Specific tests authorized this week:

    Quidel QuickVue At-Home OTC COVID-19 test - authorized for OTC at-home serial screening
    Abbott BinaxNOW (multiple configurations)
    Abbott BinaxNOW COVID-19 Antigen Self Test – authorized for OTC at-home serial screening
    Abbott BinaxNOW COVID-19 Ag Card 2 Home Test - authorized for OTC at-home serial screening with telehealth proctor
    Abbott BinaxNOW COVID-19 Ag 2 Card – authorized for POC serial screening without a prescription
    BD Veritor System for Rapid Detection of SARS-CoV-2 – authorized for POC serial screening with a prescription
    ok yan Quidel and Abbott

    OTC no prescription home covid test

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    #32070
    Minsan naiisip ko pinaparusahan ba ko pero hindi ko alam bakit. I am not a saint pero hindi rin naman ako masamang tao. All I ask is good health for my family tapos sumabay pa na wala na sa si Dr Cutie and just 3 weeks after my second Mom gets sick.

    I got a little relief this morning because the 2 doctors I consulted told me that it's only a fever if it's 38. Kahapon below 37.5 na second Mom ko WITHOUT medicines. Her highest is 37.8 on Monday night when I first noticed her voice was bad, tapos ngayon nag 38 bigla. I feel like having a nervous breakdown na. I am so exhausted kasi yung second Mom ko parang bata. She will NOT follow instructions unless bantayan mo. Exposed na exposed na ko kasi she can't even take her temperature properly. I have to give her medicines kahit sa water she won't even finish 1.5L e ang sabi 3 L so every 30 mins I have to go to her room and watch her finish a cup of water. I have to watch her do her throat spray. Ang hirap kasi in NORMAL times dapat na blood works at chest xray na siya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Cathy_ View Post
    Minsan naiisip ko pinaparusahan ba ko pero hindi ko alam bakit. I am not a saint pero hindi rin naman ako masamang tao. All I ask is good health for my family tapos sumabay pa na wala na sa si Dr Cutie and just 3 weeks after my second Mom gets sick.

    I got a little relief this morning because the 2 doctors I consulted told me that it's only a fever if it's 38. Kahapon below 37.5 na second Mom ko WITHOUT medicines. Her highest is 37.8 on Monday night when I first noticed her voice was bad, tapos ngayon nag 38 bigla. I feel like having a nervous breakdown na. I am so exhausted kasi yung second Mom ko parang bata. She will NOT follow instructions unless bantayan mo. Exposed na exposed na ko kasi she can't even take her temperature properly. I have to give her medicines kahit sa water she won't even finish 1.5L e ang sabi 3 L so every 30 mins I have to go to her room and watch her finish a cup of water. I have to watch her do her throat spray. Ang hirap kasi in NORMAL times dapat na blood works at chest xray na siya.
    Just my view, ang Diyos hindi naman ganun na paparusahan ka pero, papaalahanan ka.

    Ayaw mo ba kumuha ng alalay/caregiver? Hindi naman real caregiver. Kami kasi may assigned sa Mother ko. Higher salary than regular KB.


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    Quote Originally Posted by _Cathy_ View Post
    Minsan naiisip ko pinaparusahan ba ko pero hindi ko alam bakit. I am not a saint pero hindi rin naman ako masamang tao. .
    punishing is one thing.
    teaching a lesson is an entirely different thing,
    although the tool might look very similar...

    the Lord moves in mysterious ways.
    experience has shown me that His method might have seemed strange, but hey! i could not argue against the result.

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    And Cathy, feel blessed that you are being reminded by God because that shows He still favors you. Kakatukin Nya ulo mo so you have to examine yourself why He does.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bloowolf View Post
    Just my view, ang Diyos hindi naman ganun na paparusahan ka pero, papaalahanan ka.

    Ayaw mo ba kumuha ng alalay/caregiver? Hindi naman real caregiver. Kami kasi may assigned sa Mother ko. Higher salary than regular KB.

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    That's what my Mom said also (paalala) pero hindi naman ako nakakalimot. When my fat lab got sick last December, I really thought I would lose her. I prayed hard for a miracle and she did recover. I was SO THANKFUL, since then thrice a day online mass ko 6 am, 12 pm and 5 pm. Of course I ask always for good health for my family, they are all I have.

    I always say nga teens pa lang quotang quota na ko sa pagsubok. Dami nagsasabi pang telenovela buhay namin and I know that I am so broken because of all that I've gone through in the past and I never recovered. Even STRANGERS when they hear our story, they take pity on us. Sana yung adult years ko would be better, but no, I am middle aged, single, no kids (with very few reproductive years left), living with senior family and jobless. WTF diba? How embarrassing is it na the caretaker of our neighbor said that I will NOT be in this difficult situation (no support) if only I married, kasi when my second Mom got confined several times I did not even know paano hatiin sarili ko e I have no siblings. Kaya nga yung help namin I treat as family na because I long for a big family. What can I do, as an ex said I am incapable of handling a relationship. Now my loved ones are showing signs of ageing and it scares me so much. My Mom always worries for me that I will end up alone, I am thinking maybe I will die early din and it would be more tragic to leave a husband and kids diba? Maiksi kasi life span sa side ng Dad ko

    You mean a caregiver for her now? My second Mom is strong and sharp, in fact she still cooks and prepares my meals. When Dr Cutie ordered bed rest for her several years ago, she felt so bad when it was our driver's wife taking care of my food LOL. Nagagalit kasi parang wala na daw siyang silbi. A new stay in maid is out of the question kasi even our help nga since March 2020 hindi nakakapasok ng bahay, we do the housework ourselves wag lang magpapasok ng ibang tao (except recently sa garage/garden) I cannot expect any help to NEVER step foot off our house until the pandemic is over. Problem sa second Mom ko, yung tigas ng ulo, I am not kidding she makes me cry ALL THE TIME because of that. Even with her own body, kaya tumatagal gamutan kasi tatakas at tatakas siya AGAINST doctors orders. Example, there was a time Dr Cutie said she can only walk within the house, di namin alam pag tulog kami sa umaga lumalabas pala at naglalakad around the block. WTF. Kaya pala nagtataka kami why her condition worsened until a neighbor told us they've seen her walking outside Sinumbong ko nga kay Dr Cutie na yun pala dahilan, I did NOT tell my MOm kasi war yun.

    Since I went to the US in 2019 wala naman siya naging sakit (she was the reason why I did not want to leave the country for many years kasi I always worry about her so I only left nung magaling na siya) When Dr Cutie passed I feared of what will happen kung magka problema kay second MOm ko. What are the odds na since 2019 healthy siya tapos 3 weeks after Dr CUtie passes away nagkasakit siya? I did not want to show my Mom that I am breaking down pero kanina I cried my heart out to her kasi para na ko sasabog. This is the WORST time talaga magkasakit, I know kailangan niya at the minimum lab works, chest xray at ma auscultate pero di magawa because of the hospital situation. Even the pulmonologist did not order anything. If Dr APS and Dr Cutie were alive we could meet them outside the hospital siguro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    punishing is one thing.
    teaching a lesson is an entirely different thing,
    although the tool might look very similar...

    the Lord moves in mysterious ways.
    experience has shown me that His method might have seemed strange, but hey! i could not argue against the result.
    Quote Originally Posted by bloowolf View Post
    And Cathy, feel blessed that you are being reminded by God because that shows He still favors you. Kakatukin Nya ulo mo so you have to examine yourself why He does.

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    I'm thankful nga that we survived 2020 and praying hard that we are all safe from covid at flu lang yung sa second Mom ko. I really have to think what I am being reminded of because I try to be a good person naman

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    Just be stoic. How we perceive and act on things beyond our control is all that matters.

    The philosophy of Stoicism - Massimo Pigliucci - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojopad View Post
    Just be stoic. How we perceive and act on things beyond our control is all that matters.

    The philosophy of Stoicism - Massimo Pigliucci - YouTube
    This is the only place where I can talk about my emotions because I am anonymous. I am very detached in real life

    I am so frustrated. I prepared a jug of water for my second Mom. Her doctor asked her to finish 3 to 4 liters a day. 2 liters lang muna binigay ko because she complains it's too much water. 12 am already and she has not finished. I told her to finish it then I caught her throwing the water in the bathroom. Kailangan pala every 30 mins ako magaabot ng baso ng tubig because I can't trust her to drink the water on her own. Even the medicines I need to watch her swallow otherwise baka di inumin on time. I just ask of her to be cooperative so she'd get better. I am so exhausted na but I feel like she doesn't care at all. I feel bad for my biological Mom, sobrang neglected ko na.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Cathy_ View Post
    This is the only place where I can talk about my emotions because I am anonymous. I am very detached in real life

    I am so frustrated. I prepared a jug of water for my second Mom. Her doctor asked her to finish 3 to 4 liters a day. 2 liters lang muna binigay ko because she complains it's too much water. 12 am already and she has not finished. I told her to finish it then I caught her throwing the water in the bathroom. Kailangan pala every 30 mins ako magaabot ng baso ng tubig because I can't trust her to drink the water on her own. Even the medicines I need to watch her swallow otherwise baka di inumin on time. I just ask of her to be cooperative so she'd get better. I am so exhausted na but I feel like she doesn't care at all. I feel bad for my biological Mom, sobrang neglected ko na.

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    We get more & more stubborn by the year, ma'am. Age does that to humans.[emoji4]

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    Quote Originally Posted by travajante View Post
    We get more & more stubborn by the year, ma'am. Age does that to humans.[emoji4]

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    not really, my Lola is 94 (and surprisingly ALL her siblings are healthy as well) She has so much discipline which I wish I inherited. If a doctor says anything, she will follow it to a T. Remember the era when fats were seen as evil? My Lola did NOT eat butter for YEARS, omg, I cannot even imagine life without butter. Few years ago carbs became the new evil, so now she is telling me to stop eating carbs. She is still sharp, if you talk to her on the phone you will NEVER think she is in her 90s. She walks without assistance (no cane or wheelchair) How I wish I inherited her genes. I think one of her daughters did kasi 60s na yet no maintenance meds.

    I guess yung mga tumatagal talaga na healthy maalaga talaga sa katawan at may disiplina. Our family friend doctor was the same, still doing consultations and surgeries at 95 on a special basis. Kaya lang he got sick late 2019 and passed late 2020 If it weren't for the virus, I think he'd still be alive
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Cathy_ View Post
    not really, my Lola is 94 (and surprisingly ALL her siblings are healthy as well) She has so much discipline which I wish I inherited. If a doctor says anything, she will follow it to a T. Remember the era when fats were seen as evil? My Lola did NOT eat butter for YEARS, omg, I cannot even imagine life without butter. Few years ago carbs became the new evil, so now she is telling me to stop eating carbs. She is still sharp, if you talk to her on the phone you will NEVER think she is in her 90s. She walks without assistance (no cane or wheelchair) How I wish I inherited her genes. I think one of her daughters did kasi 60s na yet no maintenance meds.

    I guess yung mga tumatagal talaga na healthy maalaga talaga sa katawan at may disiplina. Our family friend doctor was the same, still doing consultations and surgeries at 95 on a special basis. Kaya lang he got sick late 2019 and passed late 2020 If it weren't for the virus, I think he'd still be alive
    Your lola, an exception.[emoji4][emoji120]

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