What do you believe in? Evolution or creationism?

**oldblue** · January 30th, 2006 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by theveed

Uhhm, if this is in any level, true, then this thread won't last this long...

totoo naman di'ba, we were all once believers of the faith, when adam & eve was taught in school. we easily grasped the idea that we have a creator. kumbaga it's innate among all of us. that's why I said madali in-accept ng sangkatauhan.

and then there's a saying the devil works in mysterious ways to keep us away from God. I believe this evolution theory is one of 'em masquerading as science.

why? bec. it's only a theory by some hotshot scientist. And look at how some people relinquished their faith by just reading it. not even a single science experiment to prove it. they cant even prove how a fish turned into a mammal or a monkey to a gorilla. It sounds convincing, I must agree but only if your faith is weak.

And if science asks us with the faith, what is your proof that there is a creator. My only answer, is 1 billion believe in it then it must true! Empirical or not, the end justifies it -> from 12 apostle believers to a billion Christians in a 2000-year period.

beat that.

**city** · January 31st, 2006 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by oldblue

totoo naman di'ba, we were all once believers of the faith, when adam & eve was taught in school. we easily grasped the idea that we have a creator. kumbaga it's innate among all of us. that's why I said madali in-accept ng sangkatauhan.

and then there's a saying the devil works in mysterious ways to keep us away from God. I believe this evolution theory is one of 'em masquerading as science.

why? bec. it's only a theory by some hotshot scientist. And look at how some people relinquished their faith by just reading it. not even a single science experiment to prove it. they cant even prove how a fish turned into a mammal or a monkey to a gorilla. It sounds convincing, I must agree but only if your faith is weak.

And if science asks us with the faith, what is your proof that there is a creator. My only answer, is 1 billion believe in it then it must true! Empirical or not, the end justifies it -> from 12 apostle believers to a billion Christians in a 2000-year period.

beat that.

numbers doesn't make it true...

more than a billion hindus believe their gods are true..

more than a billion believes jesus was just a prophet and the muslims claim allah is the only god (INC have similarities with this religion)

more than a billion are pantheists and other religions(polytheism) and beliefs claim there is a universal god.

If there are a trillion people believeing santa is true ..does their claim make it true?

**city** · January 31st, 2006 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by theveed

Again, that argument is only valid if you're a follower of the Christian faith.

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i agree

**city** · January 31st, 2006 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by oldblue

yup the more reason na huwag muna paniwalaan yan mga theory nila in exchange for your faith. half-baked pa lang ang mga na-discover nila, unlike creationism na madali i-naccept ng sangkatauhan.

for instance, they say that there is no hell eh ilan miles pa lang ba tayo mga tao nakakahukay underground wala pa yata 1000 miles, accdg to National Geographic. not even far to reach the earthquake fault lines kung saan may lava. That lava could be hell, kasi nga mainit at parating nag-aapoy.

this is ridiculuous...kahit butasin mo pa earth wala kang makikitang mga kaluluwang nasusunog...hell have many interpretations..it's an imaginary place to scare people and subject themselves to the church.

There are christian faiths that believe there is no hell. Like i said..it's completely opposite of god's nature if you are to claim he's all loving.

**kuroy** · January 31st, 2006 09:37 AM

Genesis 1: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth....." How??

Lord God I believe in your Word. PERYUD!

**theveed** · January 31st, 2006 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by oldblue

totoo naman di'ba, we were all once believers of the faith, when adam & eve was taught in school. we easily grasped the idea that we have a creator. kumbaga it's innate among all of us. that's why I said madali in-accept ng sangkatauhan.

and then there's a saying the devil works in mysterious ways to keep us away from God. I believe this evolution theory is one of 'em masquerading as science.

why? bec. it's only a theory by some hotshot scientist. And look at how some people relinquished their faith by just reading it. not even a single science experiment to prove it. they cant even prove how a fish turned into a mammal or a monkey to a gorilla. It sounds convincing, I must agree but only if your faith is weak.

And if science asks us with the faith, what is your proof that there is a creator. My only answer, is 1 billion believe in it then it must true! Empirical or not, the end justifies it -> from 12 apostle believers to a billion Christians in a 2000-year period.

beat that.

Your reply answered

Dude, no offense, but you're trying to shove down a concept or belief to other people's throat even it the people you're talking to didn't have the same "growing up" experience as you did nor do I personally find your argument logical.

We respect your (and other Christians') belief in creationism, but what this thread is about is providing repeatable, objective-based proof that creationism is true beyond what a holy book says.

Again, there are a lot of religions that are waaaay older than Christianity, your argument dictates that all those are false and yours is the only "true" argument around...

That's not a discussion per se...

**Bogeyman** · January 31st, 2006 02:54 PM

Reminds me of that anecdote between the pilot and the surgeon, discussing on whether or not God really existed:

The pilot says to the surgeon, "I've logged a hundred flights to the heavens, sometimes reaching the edge of space, but I have seen neither God nor His angels and saints."

The surgeon, who was a Christian, answers him, "And I've operated on the brains of a hundred great men, but I have never seen a single thought."

**BoyFerrari** · January 31st, 2006 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Bogeyman

The surgeon, who was a Christian, answers him, "And I've operated on the brains of a hundred great men, but I have never seen a single thought."

This is a very interesting paradox. The number of brain cells in a human is FINITE. How can a human store all information received by his senses in these FINITE number of brain cells alone?

This is what they say that MEMORY is not stored in the human brain, but in the human mind. The mind is part of that entity that gives life to this organic body of ours. Certainly, the presence of a "mind" cannot be explained by evolution of the species.

Siyanga pala, anybody knows how Lazarus died the second time around?

**niky** · January 31st, 2006 05:39 PM

Actually, we don't hold every single scrap of information in our brain as analogue (kumbaga, like a picture), but as digital information... or better yet, as a program for a memory.

It's like this: Try to remember your first bike. Try to remember riding it. Your brain calls up images of whay you know you looked like at the time. Images of what you thought your bike looked like at the time, and then it manufactures a background and places everything together.

Memories are chemical. They are etched into our brain, but they are not exact. That is why you lose memories as you get older, because unless you actively (electrically) access those memories often, the matrix holding them dissolves over time, as our brain cells start dying out.

Kaya nga medyo fallible ang memory natin, because it is not precise. This is a conundrum for crime scene and disaster investigators, as eyewitnesses often remember things wrong. They incorrectly recreate memories... often wildly.

In fact, people will often not witness an event precisely as it happens. We carry around a virtual reality simulator within our heads. It helps us deal with an environment overloaded with information. As you read this, you cannot see your computer or your surroundings unless you look at them or remember to look for them in your peripheral vision. Our perception is that limited.

If something is too far beyond our experience for us to grasp, we cannot perceive it properly. Thus, some people see "ghosts" or UFOs, because an environmental stimulus overwhelms their internal virtual reality simulator. That's why horror movies can scare us so... they completely disrupt our reality at times and upset our equilibrium.

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What is difficult for scientists to explore is the seat of consciousness. You can map out the electrical and chemical activity in the brain, but it's difficult to pinpoint what makes up your ego, or where your thoughts reside.

Nobody knows how much you can add or subtract to the brain while keeping the same person inside of it. Will you still be you after 40% brain damage? Would you still be you if someone actually made your brain grow? (you must be... it's much bigger than when you were a kid).

**mrpink** · January 31st, 2006 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by BoyFerrari

This is a very interesting paradox. The number of brain cells in a human is FINITE. How can a human store all information received by his senses in these FINITE number of brain cells alone?

well .. even if it is finite .. we're only using 10% of our brain daw .. (i'm probably using less) .. which probably means i probably can't comprehend 90% of what is happening around me .. i could attirbute the 90% to God since i wasn't able to eat from the fruit of the tree of knowledge .. or i could attribute it that i haven't evolved enough to make use of the 90% of my brain power .. either way .. my brain cells has no relevance on this topic .. and so is pushing one's personal belief over the other ..

God must have loved the cockroach ... it's one of the most resilient lifeform on earth .. unless the earth vaporizes .. that specie will outlive all of us .. i wonder if it has free will ..