Are we Pinoys in Pinas too arrogant to see we could be the problem?

[Fast Eddie]

Hirap naman ng thread na ito. Doon na lang ako sa Showbiz Tsismis.

ako rin, di ko maintindihan ung ibig sabihin nung thread starter. halo-halo ng opinion ko dito. i just shared my best shot.

[Karding]

Hirap naman ng thread na ito. Doon na lang ako sa Showbiz Tsismis.

dun na lang tayo sa "Ang Kagandahan ng Pinay" saka "Angelica Panganiban" thread

[midinite]

dun na lang tayo sa "Ang Kagandahan ng Pinay" saka "Angelica Panganiban" thread

IMHO, this could be part of the malaise

[GasJunkie]

IMHO, this could be part of the malaise

Of course just asking what are we suppose to do is better.

Would you take us to the promise land?

[rlp1099]

but sometimes things work.....

case in point:

we had to bring in a foreign national taga Bangalore, phone call here and there, the usual network of friends and alumni,

yung mga principals na puti as usual needed things done yesterday

kami mga consultants and project managers "steady pulso" lang
yung interphase namin na local team maayos kausap naman and delivered

result: 500 new jobs

formula: western "can do" mixed with pinoy diskarte

roadblocks: would you believe kapwa mo pa noypi? pero that's only one in a gamut...
things were getting racial between the principals with their matter of fact bluntness (pero i must admit) mas madali silang kausap, yung mga taga bangalore at kaming home growns

halo na talaga sa cross cultural think local act global chuvaness ito...egos were bruised skins became thicker...but that's reality

sarap ng feeling going live and everyone did a good job and no blood was shed for a change

[midinite]

but sometimes things work.....

case in point:

we had to bring in a foreign national taga Bangalore, phone call here and there, the usual network of friends and alumni,

yung mga principals na puti as usual needed things done yesterday

kami mga consultants and project managers "steady pulso" lang
yung interphase namin na local team maayos kausap naman and delivered

result: 500 new jobs

formula: western "can do" mixed with pinoy diskarte

roadblocks: would you believe kapwa mo pa noypi? pero that's only one in a gamut...
things were getting racial between the principals with their matter of fact bluntness (pero i must admit) mas madali silang kausap, yung mga taga bangalore at kaming home growns

halo na talaga sa cross cultural think local act global chuvaness ito...egos were bruised skins became thicker...but that's reality

sarap ng feeling going live and everyone did a good job and no blood was shed for a change

You may have hit a point...

Just an opinion but...Could this be why Pinoys excel outside? They are better in a mix of western "can do" attitude with Pinoy hardwork?

Are we not yet mature to handle ourselves yet? This may be painful for many to accept but am just echoing...Also was the U.S. built by the Pinoys or is it merely supported by the Pinoys who work with other nationalities

Part of the success of other SEAs (in my opinion after working a regional director role across the SEA) is that they allow a certain amount of cross pollenation of ideas from different cultures. This is specially beneficial when a market is not yet that mature. Same when I handled Vietnam, they were benefiting from other cultures with the expats (Pinoys included) and these allowed then to see things they normally wouldn't in isolation. It also allowed them to learn. There is also a certain amount of guidance and check and balance.

These are just the words of one person. But I am seeing how more and more returnees who are coming back to do their part are seeing it as well...

The choice naman talaga is ours whether we want to change or not...or even accept ideas that may run counter to what we believe...

personally I believe change is good

[GasJunkie]

I don't have the patience and definitely the brains that is why I am asking you if you could.

[midinite]

I don't have the patience and definitely the brains that is why I am asking you if you could.

Don't sell yourself short. You are more than capable of doing so as well. THe question I raised (and I apologise if it didn't come out right) was that we all can go to that promised land but we have to work together. But the key word is "together".

I too am impatient but I try to curtail that as it is not always a beneficial trait...but sometimes it can be since you won't sit around waiting for things to happen...

I am not claiming I can take anyone to a "promised land". but I believe hand-in-hand we can do it.

[GasJunkie]

All this self congratulatory, because we think differently from the rest, just plain whole lot of hot air.

[theveed]

^^^ Great post...

[empy]

a humble suggestion. take it or leave it - no worries either way.

hopefully people are spending more time trying to make a difference or at the very least not be part of the problem, and less time venting hot air through words or on a internet forum about the problem.

i understand the need to vent, but let's not forget about the first part

[midinite]

a humble suggestion. take it or leave it - no worries either way.

hopefully people are spending more time trying to make a difference or at the very least not be part of the problem, and less time venting hot air through words or on a internet forum about the problem.

i understand the need to vent, but let's not forget about the first part

That is a valid point.

Anyway, the reason I set this thread was to help us shed light on the subject. Needless to say, hopefully a group of us on our end are doing our part. We left the country in the mid 90s to learn all we can from the outside. Mine was due to a global assignment that had me in charge of several markets across regions. Before we left we said we would come back and do something in our respective fields. So I convinced some foreign investors (who are now my partners) to set-up something in the Philippines. Our goal was to work in our industry and train the new grads (older generation is resistant to change and constantly attacks the efforts through newspaper articles and such to probably justify their existence) as they can still be trained. It has been a difficult task as this is our first and a half year of operations. We also have some expats who have given up cushy directorships in our NYC office and even offers in other developed countries to help. Taking paycuts and all for the bigger objective. We are actively also working with NGOs by doing pro-bono work. These are Europeans and Americans who believe we can make a difference albeit small here and hope it trickles out. Luckily, while we are struggling, we are surviving and slowly getting work we outsource to other countries that are Philippine-made. In fact, one of our European partners just opened an office in China and hopes to have work from the Philippines go there. Kind of like the reverse since we now get a lot of China made goods...

I hope you don't see this as hot air but as someone trying to swim uphill in hopes it can make a small dent...but one that will encourage more to take on the struggle in their field. We realise to create a tipping point it may be necessary for like-minded individuals to help in the snowball effect...

strangely enough this all hit me one night I was drunk in a bar in some hellhole and I thought of a story my Lolo told me when he was at the Death March where he had to carry his brother-in-law all the way to the prison camp from Bataan as my grand uncle was suffering from dysintery (is that how it is spelled) to keep a promise he made to my Lola he would bring him back alive. Needless to say, after gaining strength at the camp they escaped and became Guerillas. While they did not necessarily win the war they did their part.

Same as my Great Grandpa did against the Spanish...And another against the Americans (only to lose everything)...

I thought they fought for us to enjoy the right to be what we are - Filipinos. So I said I didn't think it would be right if I wasted what they fought for...

The battlefields may have changed but the ideals haven't.

[GasJunkie]

a humble suggestion. take it or leave it - no worries either way.

hopefully people are spending more time trying to make a difference or at the very least not be part of the problem, and less time venting hot air through words or on a internet forum about the problem.

i understand the need to vent, but let's not forget about the first part

:heart: You truly understand me the most.

[empy]

so maybe let's all stop bitching and moaning

no sir i think it is our responsibility as a citizen of a democratic country to question authority and hold your officials accountable for their performance. all i'm saying is that actions and behaviors must accompany the words.

You truly understand me the most.

mmm...you wouldn't happen to be Jessica Alba, would you? ***crosses fingers***

[GasJunkie]

mmm...you wouldn't happen to be Jessica Alba, would you? ***crosses fingers***

dive dive dive dive dive



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[empy]

hey midinite, that comment wasn't directed to you or anyone in particular. all i'm expressing the hope that people are not just talking and complaining and hoping that someone will make it all better without them making any effort.

from your story this obviously doesn't apply to you. i hope it doesn't apply to most tsikoteers but i have to admit sometimes it's tiresome to see fervent discussion of the world's problems in one thread, but behavior that perpetuates the vicious cycle in another thread.

[midinite]

hey midinite, that comment wasn't directed to you or anyone in particular. all i'm expressing the hope that people are not just talking and complaining and hoping that someone will make it all better without them making any effort.

from your story this obviously doesn't apply to you. i hope it doesn't apply to most tsikoteers but i have to admit sometimes it's tiresome to see fervent discussion of the world's problems in one thread, but behavior that perpetuates the vicious cycle in another thread.

No worries. I see your point. Pero we can't hope all to see it that way...what is important are the few that do and start to...All you need is a few, good...

[uls]

Tayo mga nandito sa Pinas, nandito pa sa Pinas.

We are working here, living here, running a business here, paying our taxes here, spending our money here....

We are right in the middle of the red hot action... in the midst of the multitude of problems.

Yes we talk about things. we criticize. we even bash. But we are here.

We aren't overseas based pinoys. we aren't on the outside looking in. We aren't getting this from TFC.

We criticize and bash ourselves. We are like niggers calling other blacks niggers.

Coz we are here.

[GasJunkie]

Tayo mga nandito sa Pinas, nandito pa sa Pinas.

We are working here, living here, running a business here, paying our taxes here, spending our money here....

We are right in the middle of the red hot action... in the midst of the multitude of problems.

Yes we talk about things. we criticize. we even bash. But we are here.

We aren't overseas based pinoys. we aren't on the outside looking in. We aren't getting this from TFC.

We criticize and bash ourselves. We are like niggers calling other blacks niggers.

Coz we are here.

huh? so does that mean you are more brown than us?

[uls]

huh? so does that mean you are more brown than us?

If staying here, trying to survive here, trying to make it here despite the hardship makes me more pinoy than one who has abandoned this country.... then yes, im browner.