traditional Aircon or Inverter Aircon

[earthlyken]

Hello guys,

Quick survey lang po cause we are pllaning to change our Air conditioning at home, tried using the meralco app calculator to compute.

ang 1HP na traidition A/C use for 12 hours a day x 7 days a week for 1 month = P2,640.00, but if you will use 1.5HP Inverter A/C for the same, the bill will be = P1,810 Only.

Now my question is, pang matagalan ba yung inverter na A/C?

kasi my dad's Carrier and Kelvinator 2HP traiditional A/C is still working fine, despite both of them are morethan 10 years already.

was thinking baka sa umpisa lang yung nakamura ka sa electricity bill, but hinde naman pang matagalan yung unit na inverter..

Any thoughts?

TIA

[1D4LV]

Non inverter AC provides a fix heating or cooling by a fixed power with the compressor running at a fixed speed. The compressor has to start and stop when required. Inverter aircon have a controllable compressor that provides the exact amount of heating and cooling as needed. So, in terms of efficiency and precision, inverter air conditioners are much better because it gives longer life to the compressor, which i think is the most expensive part in an airconditioning unit.

on the life of the inverter itself, you can read here..... medyo technical eh..... SANKEN ELECTRIC : Inverter : Inverter Questions and Answers

but sabi dito: a trend (known as "Arrhenius Law"*) related to the ambient temperature exists for the aluminum electrolytic capacitors used inside the inverter, which determines the life expectancy of inverters, which are easily influenced by the ambient temperature. If an inverter is used in a high-temperature environment, it is necessary to replace the aluminum electrolytic capacitors inside that inverter within the standard replacement period, in order to ensure long use of the inverter.
* Arrhenius Law (doubling for every 10°C)

When the ambient temperature increases by 10°C, the life expectancy decreases by half, and when the ambient temperature declines by 10°C, the life doubles

di ko lang alam i-explain. hehehehe.

[dreamur]

Stability of the powe supply is also a factor. Frequent brown outs may have an effect on the electronic board. Also make sure to follow the PM schedule (quarterly).

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[Wh1stl3r2]

To me inverter makes sense pag mataas ang daily usage. Sa ref namin ang laki ng savings nung inverter vs same sized non-inverter. Running 24/7 kasi pareho so mababawi agad yung price difference.

Re: service life I'm not sure but inverter should last longer. Other advantages ng inverter:

Much more quiet
Steady temperature (no hot/cold spikes)

[earthlyken]

Just had out Traditional A/C cleaned awhile ago and while they're cleaning it, am doing a Q&A with manong, he said that Inverter A/C is pretty delicate to clean if it was service by a non experience A/C cleaner or technician (not sure kung binibida niya sarili niya para siya padin maglilinis if ever we had an inverter), but along the conversation manong said that Inverter A/C only last for 5 to 7 years then maglalabasan naraw yung mga sakit niya..then yung mga nasave niyo sa electricity ay dun din mapupunta kasi mahal raw talaga mga parts ng inverter.

Got me thinking kung will stick with traditional A/C or switch to inverter A/C since we really need to upgrade the HP, hinde na kasi kinakaya ng 1HP sa room namin, plan to switch to 1.5HP na Inverter that cost less than the 1HP traditional A/C in electricity bills.

But am worried if it really true that the unit will only last for 5 to 7 years then may mga papalitan na parts na..

any of you guys have Inverter A/C and experience this delima?


TIA

[Stigg ma]

Just had out Traditional A/C cleaned awhile ago and while they're cleaning it, am doing a Q&A with manong, he said that Inverter A/C is pretty delicate to clean if it was service by a non experience A/C cleaner or technician (not sure kung binibida niya sarili niya para siya padin maglilinis if ever we had an inverter), but along the conversation manong said that Inverter A/C only last for 5 to 7 years then maglalabasan naraw yung mga sakit niya..then yung mga nasave niyo sa electricity ay dun din mapupunta kasi mahal raw talaga mga parts ng inverter.

Got me thinking kung will stick with traditional A/C or switch to inverter A/C since we really need to upgrade the HP, hinde na kasi kinakaya ng 1HP sa room namin, plan to switch to 1.5HP na Inverter that cost less than the 1HP traditional A/C in electricity bills.

But am worried if it really true that the unit will only last for 5 to 7 years then may mga papalitan na parts na..

any of you guys have Inverter A/C and experience this delima?


TIA

5-7 years is long enough to have saved for a new one, most probably a more efficient one

sad to say that's the truth with our heavily polluted air no thanks to very old un-maintained diesel engines being used by jeeps and trucks, we have the clean air act law but we lack enforcement of it - VOTE DUTERTE and lets bring back the law enforcement for our own sake...

[earthlyken]

i agree..well..so be it..i'll get the 1.5HP inverter then..

regarding duterte..i stayed in davao for 2 years that was year 2005 or 2006, all i can say that i never knew who is duterte back then but all the people there is saying that he is the best mayor and all, but base on my experience..Davao is one of the place i stayed that you can call a taxi anytime and they will arrive at your house and once you entered the car thats the time the driver start his fare meter, also you can literally walk and buy food in a convenience store no matter what time is it...we only have 34 days to go before the election..

I know that Mayor will be out next president and am super excited what he's going to do with the country.

Remember is davao, when i entered their city hall to get process our business permit, people their treat you like you're their boss to the point na mahihiya kana sa kabaitan nila..

but sad to say dito sa manila..kulang nalang lumuhud tayo sa harapan ng mga government official or employee to process our papers, simple clearance na pwede naman makuha within 30minutes, papabalik kapa ng 3 days..buti sana kung libre..kaso binayaran mo naman..

Let's Vote Mayor Duterte...

Out of topic na tayo...hahaha

[papi smith]

Got me thinking kung will stick with traditional A/C or switch to inverter A/C since we really need to upgrade the HP, hinde na kasi kinakaya ng 1HP sa room namin, plan to switch to 1.5HP na Inverter that cost less than the 1HP traditional A/C in electricity bills.

Paps, check mo lang ha, but I think I was informed by someone na ang katumbas ng non-inverter to inverter in terms of HP is x1.5, so yung 1 hp mo sa non-inv ay 1.5 hp, so if u need to increase dapat above 1.5 hp buy mo.

[macsd]

But am worried if it really true that the unit will only last for 5 to 7 years then may mga papalitan na parts na..

any of you guys have Inverter A/C and experience this delima?


TIA

Here's my experience to your question. I bought 3 split type 1HP inverter AC in 2010 installed it sa master bedroom, guest room & AV room. Yung sa master bedroom, daily use and change board 2013 for 5K. The guest room aircon was barely use barely 1 month for the entire life. The one at AV use sparingly so i'd estimate it's useage was 1 yr for it's entire life. Last year after 5 yrs, all of them broke down in a span of 1 week. When it was pulled out by OEM service, end up junking all those units as the boards are obsolete already.

I was offered a discount for a brand new unit as a consolation.

[dr. d]

Here's my experience to your question. I bought 3 split type 1HP inverter AC in 2010 installed it sa master bedroom, guest room & AV room. Yung sa master bedroom, daily use and change board 2013 for 5K. The guest room aircon was barely use barely 1 month for the entire life. The one at AV use sparingly so i'd estimate it's useage was 1 yr for it's entire life. Last year after 5 yrs, all of them broke down in a span of 1 week. When it was pulled out by OEM service, end up junking all those units as the boards are obsolete already.

I was offered a discount for a brand new unit as a consolation.

so how do you feel about this?
did you get (again) brand new inverter types, or did you go back to traditional?

[draiman]

To me inverter makes sense pag mataas ang daily usage. Sa ref namin ang laki ng savings nung inverter vs same sized non-inverter. Running 24/7 kasi pareho so mababawi agad yung price difference.

Re: service life I'm not sure but inverter should last longer. Other advantages ng inverter:

Much more quiet
Steady temperature (no hot/cold spikes)

I beg to disagree with "much more quiet" statement.

WARNING: Reconsider your decision if you are planning to buy a Panasonic window type inverter ac, ANG INGAY GRABE, PAG NAKA FAN OKAY LANG, PERO PAG PA COOL TEMP NA, YUMAYANIG ANG MOTOR KAYA KUNG LIGHT SLEEPER KA, MAGIGISING KA FOR SURE! Then once naiuwi mo na at nainstall, kahit pala 7 days DAW consumers warranty act return policy, ire repair lang ang ac at kung papalitan ng panasonic eh 1 to 2 months pa replacement dahil sa dami ng report na kailangang gawin just to justify yung replacement.


Should have gone for Kolin or Carrier, sigh...

[dr. d]

I beg to disagree with "much more quiet" statement.

WARNING: Reconsider your decision if you are planning to buy a Panasonic window type inverter ac, ANG INGAY GRABE, PAG NAKA FAN OKAY LANG, PERO PAG PA COOL TEMP NA, YUMAYANIG ANG MOTOR KAYA KUNG LIGHT SLEEPER KA, MAGIGISING KA FOR SURE! Then once naiuwi mo na at nainstall, kahit pala 7 days DAW consumers warranty act return policy, ire repair lang ang ac at kung papalitan ng panasonic eh 1 to 2 months pa replacement dahil sa dami ng report na kailangang gawin just to justify yung replacement.


Should have gone for Kolin or Carrier, sigh...

tumino ba after servicing?
anuraw ang naging prublemah?

[draiman]

tumino ba after servicing?
anuraw ang naging prublemah?

Hindi ko na ipina service, paalis na ako at short na sa time, hindi ko na lang ginagamit gaano, pinapalamig ko lang room for 2 hours bago matulog then off ko na at electric fan na lang...

[Lew_Alcindor]

I beg to disagree with "much more quiet" statement.

WARNING: Reconsider your decision if you are planning to buy a Panasonic window type inverter ac, ANG INGAY GRABE, PAG NAKA FAN OKAY LANG, PERO PAG PA COOL TEMP NA, YUMAYANIG ANG MOTOR KAYA KUNG LIGHT SLEEPER KA, MAGIGISING KA FOR SURE! Then once naiuwi mo na at nainstall, kahit pala 7 days DAW consumers warranty act return policy, ire repair lang ang ac at kung papalitan ng panasonic eh 1 to 2 months pa replacement dahil sa dami ng report na kailangang gawin just to justify yung replacement.


Should have gone for Kolin or Carrier, sigh...

Something is wrong with your unit. Baka hindi aligned ang motor to some other components.

[draiman]

Something is wrong with your unit. Baka hindi aligned ang motor to some other components.

Yun din suspetsa ko, pero I charge ko na lang sa experience at never buy any Panasonic brand sa bahay from this day on...

[Wh1stl3r]

I beg to disagree with "much more quiet" statement.

WARNING: Reconsider your decision if you are planning to buy a Panasonic window type inverter ac, ANG INGAY GRABE, PAG NAKA FAN OKAY LANG, PERO PAG PA COOL TEMP NA, YUMAYANIG ANG MOTOR KAYA KUNG LIGHT SLEEPER KA, MAGIGISING KA FOR SURE! Then once naiuwi mo na at nainstall, kahit pala 7 days DAW consumers warranty act return policy, ire repair lang ang ac at kung papalitan ng panasonic eh 1 to 2 months pa replacement dahil sa dami ng report na kailangang gawin just to justify yung replacement.


Should have gone for Kolin or Carrier, sigh...

Sorry to hear about your experience. Seems to be a lemon unit. I don't think your unit is operating normally. We just installed 3 window types to replace our older ones months ago and they're all a lot quieter.

Mas maingay lang ng konti sa inverter split type because

1. Motor is closer to the room but just about as noisy as a refrigerator inverter motor
2. Fan only has 2 speeds and the low speed is about as fast as speed 3-4 of the split inverter
3. Swing louver rattles a bit when "swing" is on

But overall a LOT more quieter than an equivalent window ac with a regular motor.

[draiman]

Sorry to hear about your experience. Seems to be a lemon unit. I don't think your unit is operating normally. We just installed 3 window types to replace our older ones months ago and they're all a lot quieter.

Mas maingay lang ng konti sa inverter split type because

1. Motor is closer to the room but just about as noisy as a refrigerator inverter motor
2. Fan only has 2 speeds and the low speed is about as fast as speed 3-4 of the split inverter
3. Swing louver rattles a bit when "swing" is on

But overall a LOT more quieter than an equivalent window ac with a regular motor.

Yes sir, siguro natapat lang talaga...

[Dr. Strange]

I beg to disagree with "much more quiet" statement.

WARNING: Reconsider your decision if you are planning to buy a Panasonic window type inverter ac, ANG INGAY GRABE, PAG NAKA FAN OKAY LANG, PERO PAG PA COOL TEMP NA, YUMAYANIG ANG MOTOR KAYA KUNG LIGHT SLEEPER KA, MAGIGISING KA FOR SURE! Then once naiuwi mo na at nainstall, kahit pala 7 days DAW consumers warranty act return policy, ire repair lang ang ac at kung papalitan ng panasonic eh 1 to 2 months pa replacement dahil sa dami ng report na kailangang gawin just to justify yung replacement.


Should have gone for Kolin or Carrier, sigh...

I had Hitachi window type inverter you can also hear the sound of motor running but not as loud compare to non-inverter type. If you really like super quiet better use split type.

[benchph1]

I beg to disagree with "much more quiet" statement.

WARNING: Reconsider your decision if you are planning to buy a Panasonic window type inverter ac, ANG INGAY GRABE, PAG NAKA FAN OKAY LANG, PERO PAG PA COOL TEMP NA, YUMAYANIG ANG MOTOR KAYA KUNG LIGHT SLEEPER KA, MAGIGISING KA FOR SURE! Then once naiuwi mo na at nainstall, kahit pala 7 days DAW consumers warranty act return policy, ire repair lang ang ac at kung papalitan ng panasonic eh 1 to 2 months pa replacement dahil sa dami ng report na kailangang gawin just to justify yung replacement.


Should have gone for Kolin or Carrier, sigh...

Sir no offense, You should have exerted effort to report it to the proper authorities instead of ranting here. (Distributor or Panasonic’ themselves) yes it takes effort but in the long run its worth it.

I find that ranting on their social media page is sometimes effective. Kasi may nakakabasang iba so umaaksyon kaaagd sila.


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[Mentis]

Technically, inverter appliances like a/c are more economical than the traditional a/c's in terms of power consumptions. Only problem is the price of it spare parts (electronic boards) in particular, but hoping it will subside soon as many people are using it.

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