Taal Eruption 2020

[Yatta]

True. But with the right instruments and proper monitoring, it can be done.

An example?

Right in our own backyard. The US military evacuated Subic and Clark just a few days before Pinatubo erupted. They knew but Phivolcs, if I remember correctly, pooh poohed them.

Maybe hearsay, thats not what the history books say. Get a copy of Fire and Mud.

Already mentioned some of the most advanced nations up there and they still lost a lot of people from eruptions, as late as 2019. Last casualties in a Philippine volcanic eruption was in Mayon in 2013 and those were tourists.

[dr. d]

Maybe hearsay, thats not what the history books say. Get a copy of Fire and Mud.

can you spare us from the chore, sir?
what did Fire and Mud say?

[111prez]

Maybe hearsay, thats not what the history books say. Get a copy of Fire and Mud.

Already mentioned some of the most advanced nations up there and they still lost a lot of people from eruptions, as late as 2019. Last casualties in a Philippine volcanic eruption was in Mayon in 2013 and those were tourists.

Sorry. I was not able to read Fire and Mud.

What I do know is from experience during that time I was in Manila and it was all over the news that the US military was evacuating Subic and Clark.

I clearly remember that Phivolcs told the general public then that there was nothing to worry about.

Let's leave it at that, shall we, and continue with the discussion on Taal.

[Yatta]

Sorry. I was not able to read Fire and Mud.

What I do know is from experience during that time I was in Manila and it was all over the news that the US military was evacuating Subic and Clark.

I clearly remember that Phivolcs told the general public then that there was nothing to worry about.

Let's leave it at that, shall we, and continue with the discussion on Taal.

Sorry I remembered it differently, PHIVOLCS along with the Americans said evacuate but it was the local politicians and the populace who refused, batang 80s-90s ako sa Bulacan. Apologies but I'm afraid I will have to call you out for that wrong assertion.

Volcanic Hazard Communication at Pinatubo from 1991 to 215 | SpringerLink

Pinatubo 25 Years Later: Eight Ways the Eruption Broke Ground - Eos

"Language wasn’t the only obstacle. “One of our biggest challenges when we got to the Philippines was to actually convince people [that Pinatubo] was in fact a volcano,” Ewert said. Many locals accused the scientists from both PHIVOLCS and USGS of lying for financial gain or political reasons."

Punongbayan

"The issue of credibility was a difficult one. Residents and their leaders were understandably skeptical about phenomena that they had never seen and that they either could not or did not wish to imagine. Furthermore, we as scientists were largely unknown to those at risk. We were suspected of various faults, chiefly ignorance and utter foolishness, but also of trying to make sensational headlines, pursuing an academic agenda cloaked in concern, conducting counterinsurgency reconnaissance, being dupes of the U.S. military, raising funds for our agencies, land-grabbing, and more. Some unknown persons or groups also used PHIVOLCS' name during this time to fraudulently seek relief goods. Such distractions might have been ignored were it not for the urgency of convincing skeptics, especially those in positions of leadership. We did not want to close minds through unduly aggressive messages; neither did we want to be so meek that we were ignored."

[111prez]

Sorry I remembered it differently, PHIVOLCS along with the Americans said evacuate but it was the local politicians and the populace who refused, batang 80s-90s ako sa Bulacan. Apologies but I'm afraid I will have to call you out for that wrong assertion.

Volcanic Hazard Communication at Pinatubo from 1991 to 2?15 | SpringerLink

Pinatubo 25 Years Later: Eight Ways the Eruption Broke Ground - Eos

"Language wasn’t the only obstacle. “One of our biggest challenges when we got to the Philippines was to actually convince people [that Pinatubo] was in fact a volcano,” Ewert said. Many locals accused the scientists from both PHIVOLCS and USGS of lying for financial gain or political reasons."

Punongbayan

"The issue of credibility was a difficult one. Residents and their leaders were understandably skeptical about phenomena that they had never seen and that they either could not or did not wish to imagine. Furthermore, we as scientists were largely unknown to those at risk. We were suspected of various faults, chiefly ignorance and utter foolishness, but also of trying to make sensational headlines, pursuing an academic agenda cloaked in concern, conducting counterinsurgency reconnaissance, being dupes of the U.S. military, raising funds for our agencies, land-grabbing, and more. Some unknown persons or groups also used PHIVOLCS' name during this time to fraudulently seek relief goods. Such distractions might have been ignored were it not for the urgency of convincing skeptics, especially those in positions of leadership. We did not want to close minds through unduly aggressive messages; neither did we want to be so meek that we were ignored."

Thanks then for the call out. Much appreciated

[dr. d]

from what i remember vaguely about pinatubo,

everyone was congratulating everyone.
one of the most significant volcanic eruptions in recent history,
and a "mere 350 casualties".

and alberto garcia's picture of their great escape, is one of the greatest photographs of all time.
few understand, that had their vehicle stalled,
they would have perished.

[Devastator]

Dr. Punongbayan was in fact viewed as a hero for saving a lot of lives when Pinatubo erupted.

EGU - Awards & medals - Sergey Soloviev Medal 23 - Raymundo S. Punongbayan

[dr. d]

Dr. Punongbayan was in fact viewed as a hero for saving a lot of lives when Pinatubo erupted.

EGU - Awards & medals - Sergey Soloviev Medal 2??3 - Raymundo S. Punongbayan

it is difficult to convince the populace that the supposedly dormant volcano ("bulkan yan? hindi ba, bundok lang yan?") is about to erupt big-time.
he also gave me a "1" in geo 11.
heh heh.