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    #41
    Suporter pa pala si Isko Moreno, kung yan ang position nya I don't agree.

    Bishop asks Manila govt to review planned stay of oil depots

    Tingnan natin kung totoo naman ang posisyon ni Lim na i-veto daw nya. Baka pa-press release lang ito.

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    #42
    Ang gulo naman nila e, hindi alam kung pinapalipat na ba o hindi pag nag palit na naman ng Mayor, ano na naman kaya ang gagawin sa mga oil depot?

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    #43
    Ika ni Isko...

    “May mga batas na babagay sa pangangailangan ng panahon. Hirap na hirap tayo. We cannot afford to lose hundreds of thousands na trabaho sa lunsod ng Maynila. Yun ang katotohanan. Yun ang tanggapin natin," Moreno said in a radio interview on Tuesday. gmanews.tv article

    Why is this person exaggerating numbers? He calls it katotohanan. Dubious.

    This is more credible...Cardinal Rosales stand on the issue that those whose safety are in danger were never consulted. Article

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    #44
    When someone does something contrary to what is deemed right and logical.... nabayaran yan.

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    #45
    SUPREME COURT’S FINAL RULING
    Oil firms told: Move out of Pandacan depot

    By Tetch Torres
    INQUIRER.net
    First Posted 14:41:00 05/07/2009

    MANILA, Philippines—It’s final. The three oil giants, Chevron Phils. Inc. (formerly Caltex), Petron Corp., and Pilipinas Shell Petroleum Corp., must move out of their oil depots in the largely residential area of Pandacan, the Supreme Court said.
    In a four-page resolution, the high tribunal denied with finality the appeal filed by big three oil companies to allow them to stay where they are.

    “No further pleadings shall be entertained in this case…Let an entry of judgment be made in due course,” it said.

    In denying the motion, the high court said a second motion for reconsideration is a prohibited pleading under Section 2, Rule 52 of the Rules of court.

    The high court said it has already passed upon the basic issues on its February 13, 2008 resolution saying that the arguments of the oil companies were a mere rehash of their arguments raised in their first appeal.

    Also, the high court took note of the fact that the oil firms already started complying with their order for the phase out of oil depots in Manila after submitting the required plans before the Manila Regional Trial Court.
    In its February 2008 resolution, the high court dismissed the appeal filed by the three oil companies and ordered the City Government of Manila to immediately implement Ordinance 8027 that reclassified portions of the Manila Districts of Pandacan and Sta. Ana from industrial to commercial after finding that the area is vulnerable to terrorist attack.
    The high court took note of the January 23, 2008 incident when a defective tanker containing 2,000 liters of gasoline and 14,000 liters of diesel exploded in the middle of the street a short distance from the exit gate of the Pandacan Terminals, causing death, extensive damage, and a terrifying fire in the area.
    "Need we say anything about what will happen if it is the estimated 162 to 211 million liters of petroleum products in the terminal complex which blow up?" the high court asked
    The high court ordered the Presiding Judge of Manila Regional Trial Court Branch 39 to monitor the strict enforcement of its resolution.
    The case stemmed from the petition filed by Social Justice Society and Manila residents Vladimir T. Cabigao and Bonifacio S. Tumbokon asking the high court to compel the Manila City government to implement Ordinance 8027.
    In its ruling, the high court said there is nothing in the law stopping then Manila Mayor Lito Atienza from implementing the ordinance and ordering the relocation of the depots.
    Final ruling na, pinapaalis na talaga

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    #46
    Perfectly agree with the SC ruling.

    According to this: SC Ruling
    "The Court also gave Chervron, Petron, and Shell a 90-day non-extendible period to submit to the Manila RTC, Branch 39 a comprehensive plan and relocation schedule to ensure the orderly transfer, movement, and relocation of assets and personnel. "


    "Right to life enjoys precedence over the right to property" according to SC.

    What I don't get is why is the local government of Manila still trying to write resolutions to contravene this SC ruling?

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    Manila OKs stay of ‘Big 3’ in Pandacan oil depot

    05/14/2009 | 07:29 PM

    MANILA, Philippines - The city council of Manila on Thursday passed a resolution allowing the three biggest oil companies in the country to continue their operations at the 36-hectare Pandacan district.

    The resolution, which gave life to Ordinance 7177, amended Ordinance 8119 and 8027.

    Ordinance 8027, which classifies Pandacan as a residential area, had been subject of a suit filed before the Supreme Court, which ruled in favor of the city in requiring the transfer of the oil terminals of Chevron, Petron and Shell.

    Ordinance 8027 was issued during the administration of Mayor Joselito “Lito" Atienza, now secretary of the Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR).

    Twenty of the 36 city councilors voted for the new ordinance during the plenary, which was presided by Vice Mayor Isko Moreno. Those who voted against the ordinance said the process was “railroaded," accusing the majority of not giving them opportunity to express their opposition.

    Minority councilors led by Maria Lourdes “Bonjay" Isip-Garcia, author of Ordinance 8119, walked out of the plenary while the voting was in progress.

    “The majority councilors of Manila had railroaded an administration-sponsored ordinance allowing the continued stay of the oil-depots stay in Pandacan despite a new decision by the SC affirming its earlier ruling banning the oil depots in Manila, thus ordering their relocation," said Isip-Garcia.

    Councilor Arlene Koa (1st district), who filed Ordinance 7177, said allowing the stay of the three oil firms would be beneficial to the city.

    “Let them [oil depots] stay there. My proposal is in light of the global economic crisis. All of my critics would agree with me that this would be beneficial in job generation and revenues," she said.

    The Pandacan oil depot supplies about half of the country’s total fuel demand and the lubricant requirement of the transport and industrial sectors. - GMANews.TV
    Hindi pa rin tapos ito? kala ko final na yung ruling ng SC?

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    #48
    obviously there was money involved nanaman, the reason why super bilis na pass yun resolution ng city council ng Manila

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    #49
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    obviously there was money involved nanaman, the reason why super bilis na pass yun resolution ng city council ng Manila
    It does smell like that.

    For the so called Big 3 oil companies, dealing with a few clowns in the Manila City hall is much much much cheaper than relocating. They can't deal with the Supreme Court but the likes of Isko Moreno and Lou Veloso are cheap enough to deal with that they can sell the lives of the residents of Pandacan.

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    #50
    IDEALLY, i think tama naman yung SC sa decision nila...

    but PRACTICALLY, i think it is not well thought through.. minsan ang tingin ko.. ang SC.. masyado idealistic.. masyado naco confine sa 4 corners of the law... masyado naco confine sa kanilang mga advocacies... hindi naman masama yun per se.. legally tama sila.. in terms of safety... tama yung decision nila.. but a balance should've been attempted to be arrived at... like coming up with a "hearing" on how to deal with the possible consequences of their decision... porke ba sila ang SC immune na sila sa consequences ng decisions nila? kung talagang lumipat ang big 3.. at ipatong nila sa prices ng fuel hindi ba sila aangal? kung mawalan ng trabaho mga manileno, mabibigyan ba nila ng trabaho ? yung mga magugutom sa area ng pandacan, mapapakain ba nila???

    it is so easy to decide when you're not the one to deal with the consequences directly...

    although overall, i really think it isn't the fault of the SC... nagsimula naman talaga to lahat nung panahon ni Atienza .. sa city council.. doon dapat they considered all angles na at their level... and then come up with a legislation that is not too nearsighted... granted na talagang gusto nilang paalisin, then the law should've provided for a transition.. a realistic transition... but kung hindi mo ilalagay yun, natural, iaakyat yan sa SC... then SC will be the one to clean up the mess... which.. hindi rin kaya ng SC linisin ng super linis...


    and if i will speculate.. at the time na Ordinance 8119 (tama ba?) was being crafted.. it is possible that money didn't change hands.. kaya nagtuluy tuloy ang ordinance until it got approved.. now na lumabas na yung Ordinance na nag amend sa ordinance na to, ang madaling isipin eh yung mga nagtrabaho para ma-amend yung unang ordinance ang nakinabang.. siguro maaari... but instead na yung dating administrasyon ang nakinabang.. yun present na administrasyon ang nakinabang...

    put yourself even as a business.. a LEGAL business... nagbabayad ka ng tamang taxes.. nagpapa suweldo ka ng maayos.. nagbibigay ng job opportunity sa mga tao... just because walang boto ang isang business (or hindi sumuporta sa eleksyon?), maaaring gumawa ang local council ng zoning ordinance para maging illegal ang stay ng negosyo mo sa lugar na iyon... tapos palalayasin ka ng ganun ganun lang?

    in a related scenario, di ba nga, pag ang government kailangang bumili ng lupain para iconvert sa highway, kailangan bayaran ng government ang may ari ng lupa na tatamaan ng pina planong highway? that is the least that government should do... to compensate the private sector in cases like this... but in the big 3 Pandacan move.. may ganung provision ba? we can always argue that the case of the big3 is different dahil inherent yung safety risk.. i agree.. however, pag umalis ang big 3, for sure naman may iba ding mag ne negosyo ng langis eh.. ang tanong.. nawala ba yung safety risk? di ba andun pa rin?? whether big 3 pa yan o small player.. basta nagtayo ka ng depo.. risk na agad yun... is the government telling the private sector how it should conduct its business? mas masama kung walang mag negosyo ng langis (at least wala na yung safety risk).. but then.. san naman pupulitin ang Pilipinas?


    and then magtataka tayo bakit ang hirap magnegosyo dito.. magtataka tayo bakit maraming mas gustong mangibang bansa para makipagsapalaran sa hanap buhay kumpara sa dito na lang at tulungan ang sariling bayan...
    Last edited by wowiesy; May 15th, 2009 at 04:26 PM.

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