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  1. Join Date
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    #21
    Quote Originally Posted by falken
    IMO, you have to play all your players when you're just preparing for other tournaments, or else, how would you know which player to choose for the national team, the objective for this tournament is to get to know your players, not to win. We are preparing for the bigger tournament which will land us a spot in the Olympics, not this damn tournament. You learn more from losses, not wins.
    Makikisabat na lang mga bossing.... kelan po ba yung malalaking tournament? 2 years pa po ba? Kasi kung ngayon pa lang tayo mangangapa ng players at this year na yung pinaghahandaang tournament, di po ba masyadong behind na ang preparation natin? Sa aking opinyon, mukhang inaalagaan masyado ang mga ego nung players dahil siguro pulos superstar nga. Pero kung para sa bayan, dapat wala munang pa super-superstar. Sana since mga bata nga yung players natin, tagalan naman nila ang preparasyon. Minsan tuloy naiisip kong masama para sa Philippine basketball ang PBA. Simula ng itayo ang PBA, nag-decline ang abilidad ng Pilipinas sa basketball..... Papaano mo ibibigay yung 100% mo e kung ma-injured ka wala kang kikitain? Mga bagong Jawo, Fernandez, Samboy, Paras, Caidic, Atoy Co, Adornado, at Florencio (basta wag lang ibebenta, hehehe) ang kailangan natin ngayon.... isama mo na si Dalupan as coach (remember the Lastimosa issue???!!! umaangal sa playing time si Jolas pero mas maganda ang laro ni Capacio kaya si Capacio ang pinalalaro). Sabi nga nila, hindi tayo pedeng mabuhay sa nakaraan pero madami tayong matututunan sa nakaraan. Businessman na kasi ang tingin ko sa mga bagong players instead na basketbolista. Pulos pera....... just look why the Fil-Ams are lining out to play - dahil mas maganda ang kita nila sa basketball sa Pinas kesa sa bansa na kinalakihan nila. Haaaay, sana naman may magandang napulot ang Pinas sa tournament na yan. Masyado kasing mala-NBA ang laro natin. Pede naman ang constant ball movement, screen/picks, at shooting tulad ng sa China at Korea.... pero mas gusto natin yung one on one, dunks at block shots.... mga bagay na importante sa matatangkad na at mabibilis pa.

    Enough mumbling..... not pretending to be an expert pero I miss the days of the players I mentioned na talagang patayan lumaro basta sa bayan.

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    #22
    sheer talent will not win u any tournaments.just look at the nba allstars that participated in the 04 olympics. basketball is a team game and that's what we need now, teamwork to get to the next level.

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    #23
    sinong nanalo kagabi? di ako nakapanood.. waaaahhhhhh..

  4. #24
    IMO, you have to play all your players when you're just preparing for other tournaments, or else, how would you know which player to choose for the national team, the objective for this tournament is to get to know your players, not to win. We are preparing for the bigger tournament which will land us a spot in the Olympics, not this damn tournament. You learn more from losses, not wins.
    You have a point there but... its bad for the moral of players pag palagi kayong talo. Take for example our National Team goin on a US tour to face division one schools, what happened? we only won one game and our players lost confidence.

    With our current lineup I don't see any chance of cracking the top two or three in Asia kahit na isama mo lahat ng Fil-Ams diyan we still would have a hard time playing against teams used to the international style of play. Instead of emulating the NBA style of play, we should emulate the Euro style which focuses on ball movement and shooting.

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    #25
    hirap tayo sa mga arabo na matatangkad, mabagal tumakbo pero may shooting...

    ano pa kaya sa mga chinese, taiwanese, korean at japanese, na mabibilis/maliliksi at matatangkad na may shooting at superb ball movement...

    baka tambakan na tayo ng mga 20++ per game.

  6. #26
    sa Japan mahihirapan na tayo. Against the Chinese well... maybe in 10 years. Against Korea? mmm... malabo din.

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    #27
    For me, Chot's playing his cards right. Winning the Champions Cup is not the RP Team's primary goal. It was a good learning experience for the team. This shows they need to practice more as a team. I heard they only practiced like 3 - 4 times because the players were also practicing with their mother ball clubs. The team needs to be exposed to International brand of play. They need to unlearn their NBA type one-one plays. The problem with cohesiveness and familiarity will be addressed by joining these international tournaments, exhibition matches, etc. Let's be realistic, we can't have a 12 man dedicated team to represent the country in international competition. The pool of players we have is like having an armory filled with weapons. Chot has the luxury of choosing who and what type of players to field to suit certain tournament.

    The team that participated in the recent Champions cup, doesn't have Eric Menk, Danny Seigle, & Jay Jay Helterbrand. There's also Anthony Washington (6'7) and Kelly Williams (6'5) who are showing their wares in the PBL semis right now.

    Thoss (6'8) and De Ocampo (6'9) are young project players. Since this a 5+ years Basketball program, imagine what these players will become 2 - 3 years from now. Also they have amateur standouts Espinas, Canaleta, Quinahan, Salvador, JR Reyes, Arwind Santos in the pool. These are 6'5 above players.

    Also in the ABC qualifying tournament, the teams that played in Champions cup will be playing sans their 2 imports.

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    #28
    as we've seen the RP team must have shootersnot only 3 pt specialist but players who deadly 15-18 ft away from the basket.

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    #29
    RP 5 tournament sked/ team composition:

    July 16-21 Global Hoops Summer League, Las Vegas Nevada
    will face China, Korea, Qatar, Nigeria, 2 National Basketball Devt Leage, 2 NBA squad with rookies and free agents

    Team composition: PBA players whose teams will not reach the finals of the 2005 Gran Matador PBA Fiesta Conference

    July 23-30 William Jones Cup, Taiwan
    Team composition: addition of pba players who played in the finals


    Aug 2-8 SEABA, SouthEast Asian Basketball Association * (qualifying tournament for FIBA-ASIA tournament)

    Team composition: Enrico Villanueva of Red Bull Barako, Yancy de Ocampo of Talk n Text, Sonny Thoss and Mike Cortez of Alaska, and Kerby Raymundo and James Yap of Purefoods. + Arwind Santos of Far Eastern University, Gabriel Espinas of Philippine Christian University and LA Tenorio of Ateneo, + Fil-Ams Anthony Washington and Kelly Williams, PBL MVP Jondan Salvador, JR Quinahan, Mark Cardona, Cesar Catli, Dennis Miranda, Froilan Baguion and Al Vergara.


    Aug 15-20 PBA goodwill games


    Sep FIBA Asia Championship, Qatar

  10. #30
    Proper training and coaching is the key. Problem is the PBA season runs all year round, there's not enough time to develop these young players, when I say train -> post up, shooting, passing, etc. drills.

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