"we were soldiers..."

[dyelibins]

last saturday, i happened to watch this commentary/discussion sa net-25 regarding the pullout of troops sa Iraq. sabi nila, bakit daw nauna pang umalis si brig gen palparan, eh di ba dapat daw siya ang last man out?

this brought to mind yun dialogue ni mel gibson sa "we were soldiers..."

"We are moving into the Valley of the Shadow of Death where you will watch the back of the man next to you, as he will watch yours, and you won't care what color he is, or by what name he calls God. We are going into battle against a tough and determined enemy.

I can't promise you that I will bring you all home alive. But this I swear... when we go into battle, I will be the first to step on the field and I will be the last to step off. And I will leave no one behind... dead or alive. We will all come home together."

comment nyo?

[5Speed]

mali nga yata yan....di ba kahit sa barko yung kapitan ang huling naga-abandon ship, he has to make sure na wala nang tao dun sa barko at everybody is safe na bago sya umalis....

pano naging general yan kung nang-iiwan nang mga tao nya? nabago na ba ang conduct nang military dyan sa atin?

pero ganda nang movie na yan ni Mel Gibson...hehehe napabili nga ako nang DVD nyan eh....

[quindoyos]

in the world of command, most specifically in combat, it is always imperative that the commander always leads the unit to accomplish the mission.

latest technology has modified the conduct of combat especially C3. a commander can always influence the situation whether he be in the forefront or in the tactical command post.

i've always looked up to leaders who actually lead their soldiers in combat. we have a lot of gallant officers who have actually done that. and i know that there are still officers out there who will when the situation warrants them.

what i think influenced the actions of gen palparan is the POLITICAL decision. soldiers cannot do otherwise, they have to obey.

[boknoyxtrm2001]

Bok quindoyos,


hmmmmm makabagong doktrina na natin yan ah

[boydapa]

given the pull out requirements logistics and all that , it will take quite a while take note that the deadline is hours away... so on the part of the govmnt to express that they are sincere in their pull out made it a point that their top man goes home first---to show that the militants that the rest will be next. it is a strategy on the part of the military to buy more time...

[boydapa]

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[quindoyos]

Originally posted by boknoyxtrm2001
Bok quindoyos,


hmmmmm makabagong doktrina na natin yan ah

sir boknoyxtrm, masyado na tayo naiimpluensyahan ng politicos out to grandstand and media out for an exclusive.

kung may freedom of the press, sana may freedom from the press din!

peep peep (busina tayo, bka may taga press dito)

peace man!

[gretzy]

great movie!

ganun naman ang ibig sabihin nun ah. kc ang sort of "barko" nila is the battlefield not the plane. he will be the first one to set foot on it and will be the last one to leave

[quindoyos]

Originally posted by gretzy
ganun naman ang ibig sabihin nun ah. kc ang sort of "barko" nila is the battlefield not the plane. he will be the first one to set foot on it and will be the last one to leave

di ko makuha parallelism nito. :confused:

ang kaso nga nauna si general palparan, di mga tao nya.

[gretzy]

im talking about we were soldiers the movie!hehehe

[Recon Ryan]

boydapa is right. it really depends on the situation. come to think of it ... would you have eisenhower lead the pathfinders france or even on the first wave on the beaches of normandy in '44?

what mel gibson portrayed was the 'should be' image of any ground combat comander. you can relate this with col. danny mcknight in black hawk down.

i would have paid more respect to the magdalo leaders should they have done that. at least leave on the last truck off makati.

with that, i cannot speak less of palparan.

[RedHorse]

Originally posted by boydapa
given the pull out requirements logistics and all that , it will take quite a while take note that the deadline is hours away... so on the part of the govmnt to express that they are sincere in their pull out made it a point that their top man goes home first---to show that the militants that the rest will be next. it is a strategy on the part of the military to buy more time...

For such a symbolic move, we lost respect from international community, and for a few dollars of doleouts, Malaysia and Libya gained advances in palm oil plantation, airline flight frequencies...

Talong-talo talaga ang Pinoy dito. Naisahan tayo..

The Iraqi militants, Libyans and Malaysians just got what they wanted, and it came with a bonus... The liguasan marsh where buliok complex is located, pinaghirapan ito ng AFP na makuha sa MILF, at ngayon MILF benefactor pa ang makikinabang?

This is insane if not crazy!

[quindoyos]

Originally posted by Recon Ryan
boydapa is right. it really depends on the situation. come to think of it ... would you have eisenhower lead the pathfinders france or even on the first wave on the beaches of normandy in '44?

what mel gibson portrayed was the 'should be' image of any ground combat comander. you can relate this with col. danny mcknight in black hawk down.

i would have paid more respect to the magdalo leaders should they have done that. at least leave on the last truck off makati.

with that, i cannot speak less of palparan.

recon::: you paid SOME respect for the magdalo "leaders" who got paid to stage the coup? they even paid less attention to their men. it was their own personal agenda they were pushing. onething more, security elements wont allow the magdalo leaders to leave oakwood in the last truck becuase they might go somewhere else.

col hal moore in the seige of Ia Drang Valley, led his personnel up front because there was little/no intelligence he could use in his troop leading procedure. eisenhower used the pathfinders in france purposely to gather intelligence, they are the scouts who recon the battlefield in preparation for the war.

anyway, whatever, whenever and wherever the situation, there are still leaders who say "FOLLOW ME!"