Not everything in the Bible is true...

[city]

- this is what I want for my baby - btw bro, do you happen to be Bo Sanchez? you sound like him, but not as religious

not familiar with bo sanchez...sino yun?

[city]

you know what i don't get about my religion (catholicism)? original sin? wtf is that?

why am i accountable for an act that one of my ancestors committed? or is this a metaphor for how man is inherently evil and must be "saved"? because i don't believe that either.

i have plenty enough to be sorry about and repent to my God without some dude from history piling it on

if we are to study and analyze..who committed the first sin?..it's not eve...it's lucifer right?..he was the one claimed to have rebelled against god because of pride....pride is the first sin comitted. but wait..where was lucifer when he comitted rebellion?..isn't he in heaven with god>?...meaning sin is allowed in heaven?...so if we all die and went to heaven..there is a possibility that we will again commit sin in heaven?..hard to picture everything in perspective really...this beats me too.

[Luap]

not familiar with bo sanchez...sino yun?

http://www.bosanchez.ph/

[jim]

know what guys even though we have a lot of ideas, knowledge, queries, etc, no one really knows everything. its up to you if you believe that there is such a BEING who knows everything. that's free will.

regarding ORIGINAL SIN, well it's again up to you if you believe in it or not. that's free will.

regarding the bible if it's true or not, well again it's up to you. that's free will.

Personally I firmly believe there is a GOD, and I am blessed 'coz HE gave me free will. Knowing that I have free will gives me PEACE OF MIND.

God bless us all!!!

[city]

http://www.bosanchez.ph/

he's probably a good guy..i'll take that as a complement...hehehe..thanks bro.

[city]

Sir city, san po sa Bible yung talking donkey? Interested me dun a, parang sa Shrek.

Numbers 22:21-35

[oldblue]

sup dude...

just a thought...isaiah 45:7 reads god created everything..good and evil...this confuses me to be honest....it was even god who created satan, his adversary whom he allows to play with people's lives...and then he claims he'll defeat satan in the end...so when that happens..no more evil.

it's a given fact naman that God created both good and evil, after all he is the creator of everything. But did he deliberately create evil to mess up with our lives? that's the question.

same analogy when humans created medicine. the basic premise was to save lives and health. ika nga for a good cause. but what happened? we have drug abuse, drug addiction, drug cartels and drug-related heinous crimes and death.

were humans able to control the ugly side of their creation? I think not. as we speak pati gamot pangkabayo, ina-abuse na ngaun.

another example would be ***ual intercourse. we all know that it's main purpose is for procreation, a good thing. pero ano ba nangyari ngaun may orgy, may same ***, may animal ***, may an*l/or*l ***, phone ***


"All things happening, good or bad, are done on the best intentions" - nakalimutan ko na naman kung sino nagsabi hehehe.

i think the exceptions to this statement are those pedophiles, serial killers etc. who are messed up in the head.

[oldblue]

For as long as man is not planning to change all this religious myth..we have a long way of achieving what we all want..and that is peace..what we'll be looking forward to is more wars, violence, crime, innocent deaths.

The bible speaks mostly about the struggle between good and evil. from there, wars/violence/death is inevitable. dont dwell too much on the storyline coz the bible is known for reflections too.

[city]

it's a given fact naman that God created both good and evil, after all he is the creator of everything. But did he deliberately create evil to mess up with our lives? that's the question. .

maybe...read job...god and satan made a bet.

same analogy when humans created medicine. the basic premise was to save lives and health. ika nga for a good cause. but what happened? we have drug abuse, drug addiction, drug cartels and drug-related heinous crimes and death

were humans able to control the ugly side of their creation? I think not. as we speak pati gamot pangkabayo, ina-abuse na ngaun.

..

so god is not in control?

another example would be ***ual intercourse. we all know that it's main purpose is for procreation, a good thing. pero ano ba nangyari ngaun may orgy, may same ***, may animal ***, may an*l/or*l ***, phone *** ..

those are ***ual practices considered outside the norm. Variations in a given set of accepted ***ual practices. same *** is now becoming accepted by the society but i'm not saying all societies..depends on how a group of society feels about the act.

nothing wrong with ***ual practices as long as it's done in private. it's how you view and treat your body. There are people who perform these acts and is still considered a good citizen. Gays and lesbians for example. There are people who performs phone *** and still functions as a good citizen. I havent' met a person who's into beastiality. Phedophilia affects the society so it's not allowed in societies.

"All things happening, good or bad, are done on the best intentions" - nakalimutan ko na naman kung sino nagsabi hehehe. .

cite an example.

[city]

The bible speaks mostly about the struggle between good and evil. from there, wars/violence/death is inevitable. dont dwell too much on the storyline coz the bible is known for reflections too.

i never dwell on myths.


selective reflections..yes....so caution must be observed.

[empy]

oldblue, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" yata yung kasabihan

[BlueBimmer]

meron kaya talking ass? :D

[oldblue]

maybe...read job...god and satan made a bet.

God created satan for a purpose.
Satan reneged on his purpose and instead challenged God.
Satan knew of God's design flaw. And he's perfect example for it.
Confident and proven, he made a wager to God to prove his point.
also confident, God said bring it on!
And so the eternal battle between good and evil begins.
God saves good souls while Satan snatches evil souls.

what is the design flaw in the mind of Satan? freewill.
what is God's "entrepreneural" design in his creation? freewill.

what is Satan's convincing strategy? freewill to the max.
what is God's convincing strategy? freewill to choose between good and evil.

The bible is all about struggle between good and evil. The bible is God's book. hence, God's will to influence man's freewill.

so did God create Satan to mess up with our lives?

so god is not in control?

in every battle there are rules. God observes such rules. That makes him honorable. If he zaps Satan everytime he snatches/convinces a soul. that is considered cheating. and that's "Almighty" unsporty of him to do so.

same thing with us humans who invented the medicine. we are bounded by law to give due process even to those who abuse & misuse drugs.

satan or drug users/pushers, on the other hand, observe no such rules. kumbaga no holds barred ang labanan. whatever it takes. no honor no integrity. proliferation of evil or drugs knows no bounds.


so is god in control? God is bounded by the rules that he himself made. if He exercises limitless powers to enforce his ego, then he is no different from Satan.

[GlennSter]

meron kaya talking ass? :D

meron akong kilala kaya lang banned na siy dito

[oldblue]

cite an example.

so there you have it, God created us to think for ourselves. He had the best intentions for us. If he only wanted slaves to his will, then he should have created robots instead.

but even with his good intention, all of these happened.


same analogy with protective parents, they wanted the best for his child. provided for him, nurtured him, cared for him. pero is the outcome always good? bakit may mga rebel child pa din?

[city]

God created satan for a purpose.
Satan reneged on his purpose and instead challenged God.
Satan knew of God's design flaw. And he's perfect example for it.
Confident and proven, he made a wager to God to prove his point.
also confident, God said bring it on!
And so the eternal battle between good and evil begins.
God saves good souls while Satan snatches evil souls.

what is the design flaw in the mind of Satan? freewill.
what is God's "entrepreneural" design in his creation? freewill.

what is Satan's convincing strategy? freewill to the max.
what is God's convincing strategy? freewill to choose between good and evil.

The bible is all about struggle between good and evil. The bible is God's book. hence, God's will to influence man's freewill.

so did God create Satan to mess up with our lives?



in every battle there are rules. God observes such rules. That makes him honorable. If he zaps Satan everytime he snatches/convinces a soul. that is considered cheating. and that's "Almighty" unsporty of him to do so.

same thing with us humans who invented the medicine. we are bounded by law to give due process even to those who abuse & misuse drugs.

satan or drug users/pushers, on the other hand, observe no such rules. kumbaga no holds barred ang labanan. whatever it takes. no honor no integrity. proliferation of evil or drugs knows no bounds.


so is god in control? God is bounded by the rules that he himself made. if He exercises limitless powers to enforce his ego, then he is no different from Satan.

nice story. still sounds like a bet between 2 characters in a movie.

looking at another angle...parang nagchess yung dalawa.

another angle would be 2 sales man vying for the "salesman of the month" title.

or

2 business men engaged in travel agencies with each having perks to offer.

god= with placement fee
destination=california

satan= no placement fee
destination=sahara dessert

[city]

so there you have it, God created us to think for ourselves. He had the best intentions for us. If he only wanted slaves to his will, then he should have created robots instead.

but even with his good intention, all of these happened.


same analogy with protective parents, they wanted the best for his child. provided for him, nurtured him, cared for him. pero is the outcome always good? bakit may mga rebel child pa din?

that's what whole story is all about....slavery.

parents dont know what tomorrow will bring. that's man's difference with god. does god know the future? does god know what will happen in the end? if he does...he got a lot of explaining to do then.

[BlueBimmer]

buhay pa pala to? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[oldblue]

another angle would be 2 sales man vying for the "salesman of the month" title.

or

2 business men engaged in travel agencies with each having perks to offer.

not really 2 salesmen or 2 businessmen. they're not equals. more like boss vs. employee or dr. frankenstein vs. frankenstein monster

[oldblue]

that's what whole story is all about....slavery.

If you're a Christian, would you rather be evil instead to denounce this "slavery". We Christians sometimes call ourselves servants of God. It sounds demeaning, I agree, but that is our choice. freewill applied to follow God's will. and we accept the title wholeheartedly.

parents dont know what tomorrow will bring. that's man's difference with god. does god know the future? does god know what will happen in the end? if he does...he got a lot of explaining to do then.

you mean essentialist vs. existentialist reasoning, much as I'd like to embrace existentialism and some of its perks, our present reality says otherwise.

birth -> walk -> study -> specialize -> work - > marry -> family -> procreate -> make good in life. plus their is this innate essential feeling that we will be judged by our merits in the end.