Local discrmination?

[explorer]

well....based on actual experience when i lived in Manila for 19 years, there are people (not really many of them) in Luzon that think people from Visayas and Mindanao are second class citizen...

hate the 'Desperate Wife' discrimination of Filipinos? here's one example of our local version....to me the issue is not really about the film because it just depicts the reality in the Philippines.

from : Inquirer.net

Senator slams ‘ethnic slur’ in Juday movie

By Gil C. Cabacungan Jr.
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 08:06pm (Mla time) 12/27/2007

MANILA, Philippines -- It is supposed to be a joke but the Visayans are not laughing.

A Mindanao senator denounced on Thursday a scene in the Judy Ann Santos starrer "Sakal, Sakali, Saklolo" that suggested Filipinos who spoke the Visayan dialect were second-class citizens to the Tagalog.

The movie, written and directed by Jose Javier Reyes and produced by Star Cinema, is one of the top grossing movies in the ongoing 33rd Metro Manila Film Festival.

Senator Aquilino "Nene" Pimentel Jr. said the scene "smacks of an ethnic slur" and "offends the sensibilities of the Visayans and other non-Tagalog speaking citizens."

In the movie, a character played by Gloria Diaz, scolds the nanny of her four-year-old grandchild by saying: "Bakit pinapalaki ninyong Bisaya ang apo ko? (Why are you bringing up my grandchild as a Bisaya?)."

The child’s mother, played by Santos, butts in and tells the nanny: “Speak to the kid in Tagalog. Para Pinoy. (So he grows up Filipino)."

Pimentel said the conversation was "insensitive'' and "arrogant" and called on the Lopez-owned Star Cinema, to apologize and delete the scene from the movie.

Reyes, the director of "Sakal, Sakali, Saklolo," said he was thankful Pimentel went "out of his way to watch ‘SSS’ and for being supportive of the movie industry."

"I wish he would also watch the movies of Senators (Ramon) Revilla Jr. and Jose “Jinggoy” Estrada, his peers in the Senate," Reyes, who also wrote the movie script, told the Philippine Daily Inquirer on Thursday, "After that, magpahinga na siya (he should rest). With the country's many problems, I'm sure he'd be really busy after the holidays."

Pimentel, who was acting on numerous complaints from viewers offended by the slur, said: "The film is conveying a wrong message to Filipinos by denigrating the use of the Visayan language, which is most widely spoken in the Visayas and large parts of Mindanao. It offends the sensibilities of the Visayans and other non-Tagalog speaking citizens by making them feel they are less Filipino than the Tagalogs. It creates useless hatred in the nation."

He added: "The Tagalog [always] joke about how the Bisaya speak Filipino and English with a funny accent. That's fine, we can live with that but to come out in the open and say that the only real Pinoys are those who speak Tagalog is wrong."

Pimentel said Filipinos, both Tagalog and Bisaya, should be outraged at the film's ethnic slur. "It should elicit the same, if not a louder howl of protest [than the one brought against] American television series ‘Desperate Housewives’ wherein one of the characters made remarks maligning Filipino health professionals."

In the said episode, aired in the United States on Sept. 30, character Susan Mayer, played by actress Teri Hatcher, told her doctor: “OK, before we go any further, can I check those diplomas? Because I would just like to make sure they are not from some med school in the Philippines.”

Malacañang said the remarks were tantamount to a racial slur and asked the show’s producers to apologize to Filipino medical professionals for putting them down.

Pimentel also slammed the Movie and Television Review and Classification Board (MTRCB) for failing to spot the derogatory remark while reviewing the film.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Don't tell me Gil has been sleeping under a rock and only just now found out about this problem......

The problem's been around since I can remember.

If it was just the movie, then things can be forgiven. But, it's a lot worse than a mere slip of the tongue.

My wife is Visayan and I'm living that nightmare right now.

My Philippine heritage has been a love/hate (90/10?) thing. This just happens to fall under hate, joining the crab mentality part.

Add: That's also why I shun separate Fil-AM organizations based on dialect or province/region here in the US. It breeds this kind of behavior. Too many Pinoys make a big deal of their dialect/province or whatever college in the Philippines they graduated from..... They're not happy to be simply Pinoys....

[theveed]

Too many Pinoys make a big deal of their dialect/province or whatever college in the Philippines they graduated from..... They're not happy to be simply Pinoys....

KACHING! Well said...

[jonski]

Meron nangyari once last year sa London ako and meron lumapit sakin ang nagtatanong ng direction and tinanong ko sya kung Filipino ba sya tapos sumagot sya na " no, Cebuano ako"...hindi ko na sya pinansin at iniwanan ko na sya. I dont know kung tama ginawa ko.

[CVT]

Add: That's also why I shun separate Fil-AM organizations based on dialect or province/region here in the US. It breeds this kind of behavior. Too many Pinoys make a big deal of their dialect/province or whatever college in the Philippines they graduated from..... They're not happy to be simply Pinoys....

Iyan nga ang masama sa mga Pinoy na naninirahan sa ibang bansa.... Hindi pa rin magkaisa dahil sa mga ganyang kadahilanan.... Kaya iyong ibang mga Pinoy,- hindi na rin nakikisalamuha sa kanilang/ating mga kababayan.... Mas gugustuhin pa nilang kasama ang ibang lahi....

5000:boom:

[cutedoc]

pinoys are mad when other nationality makes a laugh out of us yet within the philippines we mock each other, we segregate our trashes very particularly, not wanting to have our hands get on those poor rural dumps (matapobre)

pinoys from luzon laugh how visayan speak tagalog or english, visayans laugh how ilocanos speak tagalog, we all make fun of the small detail, for what? to entertain or to judge...

[v6dreamer]

Yan ang malaking problema sa kapwa natin pinoy local or abroad. I was in the U.S Navy for 21 yrs. and saw too many pinoy serving in the armed forces na walang unity kundi puro tsismis laban sa kapwa pinoy. I dont realy know what is the root cause for not being one as blood by blood, instead they push away that chances to get along each other since we are the few. In the civilian life too, much much worse.

[baludoy]

it's been there for so long it's so anti-climactic

i lived in mindanao for almost 9 years and i've experienced this so-called discrimination time and again. but it never really bothered me because i'd manage to turn the tables around and let them laugh w/ me laughing at them. eh di lahat masaya

[n2knee]

what a coincidence . eto din ang topic namin ng kaibigan ko kagabi habang kami ay nag uusap sa phone. pahabaan ng ihi ang karaniwang ginagawa ng mga kapwa pinoy dito. kompitensya kong sinong may pinakamahal na luxury car, mamahaling bagay, etc. nakakatawa nga kasi karamihan naman sa kanila hirap sa pag-do-double job. ok lang na mag trabaho ang isang tao ng higit sa isa at bilhin ang kung anomang gusto, pero sana man lang hwag namang ipagyabang ito. yung iba pa nga sinasabi, pag galing ang sya sa ganitong (insert name of a particular province in the philippines) di sya mapagkakatiwalaan..:lol:

[KBR]

Meron nangyari once last year sa London ako and meron lumapit sakin ang nagtatanong ng direction and tinanong ko sya kung Filipino ba sya tapos sumagot sya na " no, Cebuano ako"...hindi ko na sya pinansin at iniwanan ko na sya. I dont know kung tama ginawa ko.

sir, kahit ako din dito sa US na experience ko din yan. one time I asked someone kung ano nationality niya.. sabi sa akin "Hawaiian" (which dapat talaga American, kasi state ng America ang Hawaii) anywayz, yung pag alis ko, na bigla nalang ako nung narinig ko siyang mag Ilocano!! .. talagang "Feeling" ng loko! lolz!

Yan ang malaking problema sa kapwa natin pinoy local or abroad. I was in the U.S Navy for 21 yrs. and saw too many pinoy serving in the armed forces na walang unity kundi puro tsismis laban sa kapwa pinoy. I dont realy know what is the root cause for not being one as blood by blood, instead they push away that chances to get along each other since we are the few. In the civilian life too, much much worse.

wow! hindi ko alam yan ha! man, thats really bad! I too have some friends (even the older generations) that served in the Military and I havent heard anything like that. well, baka siguro hindi lahat ganon.

but then again, it is so true na once na nasa labas sila (civilian) wether if your in the Military or not, haaayy naku. ayan na ang yabangan.

it's been there for so long it's so anti-climactic

i lived in mindanao for almost 9 years and i've experienced this so-called discrimination time and again. but it never really bothered me because i'd manage to turn the tables around and let them laugh w/ me laughing at them. eh di lahat masaya

thats good, at least you never acted like a d!ck to them. Visayans are actually nice people compared to others. mas madaling matawa ang mga bisaya at madaling maki sama.

I know this since that I'm also part Visayan.. well my mother was from Mindanao and my dad was from Cebu, but I was born and raised in Pasay City, Manila.

anywayz, me growing up in Manila being part "bisaya" was also difficult ever since I was young. kasi sa Manila, once na malaman nila na Bisaya ka (or kahit na part bisaya ka) eh pag tatawanan at pag ti-tripan ka ng mga kaklase at mga kaibigan mo, which is really messed up in my opinion. biruin mo, kahit bata pa lang eh marunong na silang mang-hate sa kapwa. eh paano nalang pag tumanda na?

buti nalang hindi ako lumaki ng ganun, same as my whole family and relatives.. we never hate on other fellow kababayans based on their Dialect or Religion.

kaya dito sa amin (Bay Area), madami akong mga ka tropa na Tagalog, Bisaya, Ilocano at Kapampangan. I have so many friends out here since na marunong akong MAKISAMA.



aite, peace.

[b1rken5tock]

regionalization is very much alive....

actually, kahit sa baryo namin, kapag taga ibang baryo ka at iba ang punto mo e pinagtatawanan ka din...

as for the bisaya issue, dapat sisihin ang tv sa maling pagpoportray nila sa mga palabas...pati na sa sine..

[CVT]

regionalization is very much alive....

as for the bisaya issue, dapat sisihin ang tv sa maling pagpoportray nila sa mga palabas...pati na sa sine..

Agree here.

Ang ating media ang nagpo-promote ng diskriminasyon sa ating bansa,- mulan noon, hangga ngayon...

5000:boom:

[juntzo]

i was born in manila, grew up in bicol, then moved to cavite and studied in manila. worked in the US and now have a business in the visayas! (yes i'm an old f*rt!)

i have close friends in all the places i've been and in my opinion, those who discriminates are usually the uneducated or the ones who didn't learn from their education! :peace:

[architect]

That's also why I shun separate Fil-AM organizations based on dialect or province/region here in the US. It breeds this kind of behavior. Too many Pinoys make a big deal of their dialect/province or whatever college in the Philippines they graduated from..... They're not happy to be simply Pinoys....

That reminds of the UP Alumni Associations in the Bay Area. The one in Oakland, if it is still existing, is actually a break-away group from the one in SF. The group lost in the elections but wanted so badly to be officers they broke away and formed their own group. Needless to say, I never bothered joining either.

There are actually a lot of Fil-Am groups in the SF Bay Area that I think among ethnic groups, Fil-Ams have the most number of registered ethnic-oriented organizations/associations. It may sound impressive to others until they find out that most of these organizations have very few members, or rather officers, since practically all their members are officers.

kahit ako din dito sa US na experience ko din yan. one time I asked someone kung ano nationality niya.. sabi sa akin "Hawaiian" (which dapat talaga American, kasi state ng America ang Hawaii) anywayz, yung pag alis ko, na bigla nalang ako nung narinig ko siyang mag Ilocano!! .. talagang "Feeling" ng loko! lolz!

Hehe. Times have really changed. It used to be when you ask a Pinoy oldtimer in Hawaii, "Are you Filipino?" his answer would typically be "No, I am Ilocano."

I guess they must have adopted the kamaaina's attitude of refusing to recognize the mainland. (Some of the older Hawaiians refuse to accept statehood and view the whole thing as colonization; hence they refuse to consider themselves Americans.)

[theveed]

and all the OA reactions when comments like those from TV shows, media and blogs are so hypocritical....

good thing majority of Filipinos are light hearted, otherwise, a civil war could've erupted eons ago..

[Mardim]

I really don't see the big deal. We hav these problems for a long time and everyone knows it. Ang importante ay makisama ka sa kapwa tao mo at magpakatao ka sa iba.

[Chip]

those who discriminates are usually the uneducated or the ones who didn't learn from their education! :peace:

+1

Born in mindanao, grade school in cebu, high school in bacolod, college in manila and now based here. I was always the new kid in school who couldnt speak the local language and only english, and therefore, "mayabang". I learned quickly enough though.

Lahat ng insularism naramdaman ko, from the cebuanos making fun of ilonggos, to ilonggos making fun of cebuanos, to the people from luzon making fun of the people from vis-min (who, would actually band together when in manila and learn bisaya and ilonggo, funny no).

I remember in college when i was riding a taxi, tinatanong pa ng driver kung may airport samin, kung may tubig. WTF?! ano akala nya naka-kalabaw ako to go to school? LOL! Eto yung mga tao na di man lang nakalabas sa manila.

addendum:
This is what the now-defunct MBA tried to leverage, regionalism.

[Jun aka Pekto]

There are actually a lot of Fil-Am groups in the SF Bay Area that I think among ethnic groups, Fil-Ams have the most number of registered ethnic-oriented organizations/associations. It may sound impressive to others until they find out that most of these organizations have very few members, or rather officers, since practically all their members are officers.

Yup. I was specifically referring to the Fil-Am organizations around the Bay Area.

[Galactus]

It's not confined naman to Pinoys, it's a universal trait.

Americans residing in the East Coast usually make fun of Southerners, or those with Southern accents. Same thing in Germany, wherein pronunciation of certain words can reflect your economic background, and thus subject the speaker to condescension.

[KBR]

Yup. I was specifically referring to the Fil-Am organizations around the Bay Area.

jusko! dito pa sa Bay Area, ang dami ng mga iyan!! pero usually mga old timers and some middle age pinoys ang mga members ng mga iyan. and as far as i know, hindi ka "sikat" if your not part of a certain "association" lolz!

lahat ng mga regions / provinces may "association", like Ilocano, Kapampangan, Bisaya, etc.... nakakatuwa nga eh, parang meron silang sariling mundo! kumbaga, payabangan at pasiklaban nga eh. also, sometimes they have some drama with other "organizations", even simply have drama with their fellow members!.. ma "pulitka" din eh. tipong sila sila din ang nag sisiraan. parang mga Talangka... nag aagawan ng pwesto! wahehehe.


aite, peace.