Di ba nila naisip? Re: Ethanol

[uls]

Diba GMA is promoting the use of ethanol?

Hindi ba maka affect yan sa price ng food?

I mean.. ethanol producers will be buying food crops (sugar, corn etc)

So they will push up prices of those commodities.

Diba livestock feed is made of corn or whatever food crop?

so if the price of livestock feed goes up, price of beef,pork,chicken,dairy,poultry stuff will go up. tama ba?

So for our demand for lower fuel price, ang kapalit higher food price?

[badkuk]

yup, corn prices are going up as we speak. di ko lang sure sa quality of ethanol produced, but there are other alternatives like jatropha and sorghum(although technically this is a food crop).

still, these crops do tend to take up agricultural space and resources.

ewan ko lang if cellulosic ethanol is the answer. it's supposed to use agricultural wastes to produce ethanol. pero not sure if anyone's doing it on a commercial scale, or if it's feasible to do so.

[ghosthunter]

Well, added demand on sources for ethanol fuel will eventually lead to increase in production of such. And that will lead to increases in the circulation of money in the local market which is good for the economy. Generally food will not be affected (well, just a bit).

Diba GMA is promoting the use of ethanol?

Hindi ba maka affect yan sa price ng food?

I mean.. ethanol producers will be buying food crops (sugar, corn etc)

So they will push up prices of those commodities.

Diba livestock feed is made of corn or whatever food crop?

so if the price of livestock feed goes up, price of beef,pork,chicken,dairy,poultry stuff will go up. tama ba?

So for our demand for lower fuel price, ang kapalit higher food price?

[uls]

did some searches just now...

http://www.usatoday.com/money/market...-09-corn_N.htm

pero syempre sa states yan. Dont know how it it affect us.

But we do import beef right?

[GasJunkie]

We also import onion, garlic, rice, chicken, apples...... we even import playboy. so it's going to be a no biggie if we prioritize our car fetish before our nations food supply.





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[j_avonni]

Well, added demand on sources for ethanol fuel will eventually lead to increase in production of such. And that will lead to increases in the circulation of money in the local market which is good for the economy. Generally food will not be affected (well, just a bit).

Naisip na nila yan, hence I agree with ghosthunter.

[metatron]

Diba GMA is promoting the use of ethanol?

Hindi ba maka affect yan sa price ng food?

I mean.. ethanol producers will be buying food crops (sugar, corn etc)

So they will push up prices of those commodities.

Diba livestock feed is made of corn or whatever food crop?

so if the price of livestock feed goes up, price of beef,pork,chicken,dairy,poultry stuff will go up. tama ba?

So for our demand for lower fuel price, ang kapalit higher food price?

supporting link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...063001480.html

[GasJunkie]

Well, added demand on sources for ethanol fuel will eventually lead to increase in production of such. And that will lead to increases in the circulation of money in the local market which is good for the economy. Generally food will not be affected (well, just a bit).

With our countrys' track record seriously doubt that.





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[van_wilder]

the effect would be minimal compared to increase in oil price in which masmalaki ang itaas ng price ng food...

[GasJunkie]

*paging the common man*



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[boybi]

the effect would be minimal compared to increase in oil price in which masmalaki ang itaas ng price ng food...

Before that will happen, the prices of the affected commodities will rise incredibly. Prices of corn in the last 2 yrs have increased from P9.00 per kilo to P13.00 per kilo, and might go as high as P16.00 per kilo before the year ends.

[van_wilder]

while price of oil rose from $30 per barrel to $60 per barrel

[Zeus]

Baka dito sa atin ang gagamitin puro sugar cane and coconut, kung saan marami tayo nito

[boybi]

let's do a simple calculation.

the price of diesel fuel 2 yrs ago is around P21.00/liter
the price of diesel fuel now is around P33.00/liter
the difference: P12.00/liter

the price of corn 2 yrs ago is around P9.00/kg
the price of corn now is around P13.00/kg
the difference: P4.00/kg

a truck that can load 10 tons of corn travels around 500kms, round trip, from the supplier to the customer and back.

let's say the fuel consumption of the truck is around 4kms/li. at P12.00/li difference, that is P3.00/km. so for the 500km trip., it costs an additional P1,500.00.

for the 10tons of corn that the truck ships, the cost of corn now is P40,000.00 more than 2yrs ago.

what i'm trying to point out is, the increase in the price of fuel is not directly proportional to the increase in the cost of goods.

but the increase in the prices of the affected commodity because it is now being processed into fuel is directly felt by the people.

i am not against ethanol. renewable and clean sources of energy should be the way to go. but, the people behind this, including the government, should think of ways to cushion the effect of the increase in cost of these commodities.

[GasJunkie]

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edit stopgap meet country, country meet stopgap
edit2 not just cost but also sustainability

[fourtheboys96]

its nice to hear that ethanol thing hear at tsikot. i've been trying to to do a thesis about ethanol. more on the economic and environmental impacts.

at first glance kasi mukang answer talaga siya sa madaming problema natin related to fossil fuel (air pollution, fluctuating oil supply, etc.). pero if we really analyze the whole thing, the benefits may not be that big compared to costs. of course, ndi pa yan proven dito sa pinas that is why meron ako balak na thesis hehehe

sa pinas ata ay galing sa sugarcane or molasses ang ethanol not like sa states na sa grains like corn etc galing ang ethanol.

[uls]

kung sugarcane ang gagamitin, tataas ang price of sugar. And almost every food and beverage product uses sugar.

Kung coconut oil ang gagamitin, what is our cooking oil made of? Hindi ba coconut oil?

So we the food consumers will be competing with ethanol producers for the same stuff.

Increased demand caused by ethanol production will drive up the prices of those commodities.

mas mabilis and mas direct ung effect nyan hindi ba?

[badkuk]

its nice to hear that ethanol thing hear at tsikot. i've been trying to to do a thesis about ethanol. more on the economic and environmental impacts.

there's a small article in today's inquirer about an alternative plant for ethanol. a book was also mentioned in it -- "Handbook of Energy Crops". It might come in handy for your thesis dude B)

[Zeus]

kung sugarcane ang gagamitin, tataas ang price of sugar. And almost every food and beverage product uses sugar.

Kung coconut oil ang gagamitin, what is our cooking oil made of? Hindi ba coconut oil?

So we the food consumers will be competing with ethanol producers for the same stuff.

Increased demand caused by ethanol production will drive up the prices of those commodities.

mas mabilis and mas direct ung effect nyan hindi ba?

Dapat nila pag-aralan ng mabuti, at dapat makinabang ang masnakararami na Pilipino, hindi iilan ilan lang

[boybi]

sa pinas ata ay galing sa sugarcane or molasses ang ethanol not like sa states na sa grains like corn etc galing ang ethanol.

China last year announce that it will invest US$1B (or was it $2B?) here in the Phils. to grow corn to be processed into fuel. I'm just not sure if the processing will be done here in the country or the harvested corn will be shipped back to China for processing.