The Eagle Will Not Fly Without the Poor

[prinsipe]

a good read...tried to post the text here pero masyado ata mahaba. eto na lang yun link...

http://streetlifeextension.blogspiri...-the-poor.html

sana ma-inspire din kayo.

[uls]

the big/multinational companies need the poor coz thats the market for their consumer products. Knowing the very small purchasing power of the masses, they have to package their products in sachets.

Same with telcos. they have to sell load in tingi.

As the purchasing power of the masses shrink even more, the profits of those companies are being threatened.

They realize that if the lives and income of the poor do not improve (and further deteriorate), they cant milk the poor anymore. They can only milk the poor so much before the poor completely dries up.

thats where that social responsibilty action comes in.

IN ORDER TO MILK THE COW, U HAVE TO FEED IT FIRST.

Help the poor improve their lives, give them decent paying jobs, and ur companies will have a steady mass market.

It really isnt about compassion. Its still about money.

[oldblue]

the big/multinational companies need the poor coz thats the market for their consumer products. Knowing the very small purchasing power of the masses, they have to package their products in sachets.

Same with telcos. they have to sell load in tingi.

As the purchasing power of the masses shrink even more, the profits of those companies are being threatened.

They realize that if the lives and income of the poor do not improve (and further deteriorate), they cant milk the poor anymore. They can only milk the poor so much before the poor completely dries up.

thats where that social responsibilty action comes in.

IN ORDER TO MILK THE COW, U HAVE TO FEED IT FIRST.

Help the poor improve their lives, give them decent paying jobs, and ur companies will have a steady mass market.

It really isnt about compassion. Its still about money.

right on! in other words, economies of scale .

[mazdamazda]

the big/multinational companies need the poor coz thats the market for their consumer products.

Now that's a very generalized statement.

but these corporate outreach campaigns are simply a collection of human beings just like you and me that are giving back to the community with the support of their corporation

I guess somebody forgot that these "evil corporations" are composed of people.

[uls]

Now that's a very generalized statement.

I guess somebody forgot that these "evil corporations" are composed of people.

Please name a business, any business, that doesnt need the masses.

Please look at my posts. I never used the word "evil".

[empy]

Please name a business, any business, that doesnt need the masses.

Please look at my posts. I never used the word "evil".

no, "evil" was an exaggeration i used for effect. but don't deny that you're the one trying to malign the intentions of people in corporations who do charitable works, and imply that the reason for all these are full of ulterior motives. that implication is baseless, unfair, and offensive.

of course people or companies will take care of themselves, their families, and their dreams/aspirations first before they give of themselves to others. most charities are more than happy to accept whatever a person or company feels is within their means to give.

you're the only one who is so unreasonable as to expect that one should give EVERYTHING they have. let me repeat my question from the last post: have you done this? or do you just like to talk out of your ass?

prinsipe: "having a sneering disbelief" - very eloquently put. describes the situation perfectly

[oldblue]

no, "evil" was an exaggeration i used for effect. but don't deny that you're the one trying to malign the intentions of people in corporations who do charitable works, and imply that the reason for all these are full of ulterior motives. that implication is baseless, unfair, and offensive.

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well just fyi, it's really the governments that started this. they encourage big businesses/corporations to get involved in social welfare such as building of schools, foundations and charities, in exchange for tax breaks.

Examples of these are Meralco Foundation, Ayala Foundation, Gokongwei Brother's Foundation etc etc....

but in my humble opinion, businesses/businessmen voluntarily give to charity or share their wealth for the very reason that they are aware of the "forces" that run our world. one cant afford to be too selfish or too greedy simply bec. the same force will take it back from them one way or another. even in Rich Dad, Poor Dad Book na-mention ito by the author, give and take relationship, be aware of the natural forces (cant remember the exact words).

most rich people in upscale subdivisions donate large sums to their respective parishes; corporations conduct nationwide outreach programs; SME's contribute to their respective local govt improvement projects for the poor.

why?

is it purely out of compassion, generosity, kindness? maybe. but I also believe that they are doing this to ensure the survival of their own immediate business setting (a mix of educated, rich, marginalized poor), to weed out unwanted "kharma" or sudden misfortunes or "uncalculated accidents" and to have a clear and "balanced" conscience and thinking -> free from guilt that they have taken so much from this world. with all of these sorted out, these businesses can continue to have steady undisturbed cashflow hence the money.


yun lang naman yun.

[the_wildthing]

Please name a business, any business, that doesnt need the masses.

Any business? Let's see now...

The business of selling paintings.

The business of owning patents.

The business of lending to the rich gamblers.



Sorry bro, can't help it. Peace.

[uls]

Any business? Let's see now...

The business of selling paintings.

The business of owning patents.

The business of lending to the rich gamblers.



Sorry bro, can't help it. Peace.

OK... selling paintings. If ur an artist, who is ur market? the rich. those who invest in art. those who attend Sotheby's and Christie's auctions. Where do those rich people get the money to buy paintings?

and how about that institution called GSIS. The GSIS president used the contributions of govt employees to purchase paintings.

Owning patents. Some geek invented something called DOS, then Windows. Who are his customers?

A company called Du Pont owns a patent called Teflon. Who buys products with teflon coating?

Lending to rich gamblers. Well, where did u get the money to lend to rich gamblers in the first place?

[prinsipe]

Another speech by Mr. Antonio Meloto, this time for UP graduating students...

Tony Meloto's Commencement Speech
ISKOLAR NG BAYAN, BAYANI PARA SA BAYAN
By Antonio P. Meloto, Gawad Kalinga
U.P. Commencement Exercises
National College of Public Administration and Governance
22 April 2006

http://makeuseoftime.blogspot.com/20...nt-speech.html

[prinsipe]

ang sinabi lang naman ni Mr. Meloto mga sir e tulungan natin yung mga pooret of the poor para magkaroon sila ng pag-asa. pero to belittle yun ginagawa ng mga multi national companies in helping Gawad Kalinga is useless...kasi at least sila tumulong kahit na for the wrong reasons na in-assume nyo. I mean kung tumulong sila sa 10 families at may isang family na nagbago ang buhay dahil doon 'di ba ok yun. IMHO I think it's better to help with the wrong reasons than to have the right reasons and not doing anything at all, but to criticise those who are helping. common guys, I'm one of those dreaming of a better Philippines not for me but for the next generation. there's no way out of this pit we are in but to help each other.

peace!

[oldblue]

it's not really belittling per se. yun naman mga sinabi nya present na since the day naimbento ang business or commerce. big business cant survive without the poor. it's a given. kumbaga in order for the markets to become efficient, kailangan hindi lang take ng take or profit ng profit, it has to give also. and what he said has been happening as we speak and in fact, even before we were born.

[prinsipe]

got your point sir oldblue. pero hopefully may nakaunawa sa nais iparating ni Mr. Meloto. to tell you the truth I was a bit frustrated nun nabasa ko yun post kasi ang ganda nun laman nun speeches pero may nagative pa rin na napuna.

[chairman]

big business can't survive without the poor = wrong conclusion

why? it's not about poor or not. business in general can't survive without a market. a lot of big business survive even if their market is not "poor". BMW, Toyota, etc.. wag mo sabihin poor itong mga customers nito..

Guys, let's not second guess the intentions of businesses who help Gawad Kalinga. Pasalamat nga tayo tumutulong sila. Pero sige, let's grant that they help to ensure that they have a market, what's wrong with that? buti nga tumutulong. pwede naman hindi. they can just close shop and move somewhere else. esp the multinationals.

I for one am happy to see that businesses have now a sense of social responsibility. let's not second guess their intentions. ika nga, let's just give them the benefit of the doubt and just help them.

Ask yourself this, am I helping the poor? Gawad Kalinga? if not wag na kayo mag reklamo kasi wala rin naman kayong naitutulong... O teka, bago kayo magalit wala akong pinapatamaan. I'm making a general statement. if you're not doing anything, don't complain. If you are doing something naman, just keep doing it.

[empy]

Guys, let's not second guess the intentions of businesses who help Gawad Kalinga. Pasalamat nga tayo tumutulong sila. Pero sige, let's grant that they help to ensure that they have a market, what's wrong with that? buti nga tumutulong. pwede naman hindi. they can just close shop and move somewhere else. esp the multinationals.

I for one am happy to see that businesses have now a sense of social responsibility. let's not second guess their intentions. ika nga, let's just give them the benefit of the doubt and just help them.

Ask yourself this, am I helping the poor? Gawad Kalinga? if not wag na kayo mag reklamo kasi wala rin naman kayong naitutulong... O teka, bago kayo magalit wala akong pinapatamaan. I'm making a general statement. if you're not doing anything, don't complain. If you are doing something naman, just keep doing it.

if corporations don't give back to the community, then how many charities will go under? ask the beneficiaries if they view the hand that feeds and clothes them with suspicion.

casting a shadow of doubt on people who give, especially if one does nothing on his own (i'm not accusing anyone here either), sounds suspiciously like another form of crab mentality to me.

[prinsipe]

if corporations don't give back to the community, then how many charities will go under? ask the beneficiaries if they view the hand that feeds and clothes them with suspicion.

casting a shadow of doubt on people who give, especially if one does nothing on his own (i'm not accusing anyone here either), sounds suspiciously like another form of crab mentality to me.

Amen to that! There's hope indeed for our beloved country.

Mabuhay ang tsikot.com!

[oldblue]

big business can't survive without the poor = wrong conclusion

why? it's not about poor or not. business in general can't survive without a market. a lot of big business survive even if their market is not "poor". BMW, Toyota, etc.. wag mo sabihin poor itong mga customers nito..

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how 'bout Toyota employees from contractual workers to menial jobs? how about those not directly employed by the company, but are equally as important. like the fisherman who catches fish then sells to middle traders to canteen operators to be sold to toyota employees. multiply this by the number of companies here and you'll see that big business cant survive without the poor. and that's only for seafood how about paper/office supplies from local communities cutting of trees etc. and the list goes on ...

ika nga that's the "food chain" that we humans are in.
yes his words sound inspiring but his message is really nothing new. it only sounds new bec. most people either got used into believing that it's a dog eat dog world or are just plain new to the world (like students or graduates). but in reality, that is not really the case.

[nmtin]

So what's your point oldblue? Big companies should help the poor because they have no choice? This is the message I am getting from your comments. It's like your criticizing them becuase they're helping and I am sure you'll do the same if they refuse.

In my POV, just follow suit. If you are in a position to help, like donate money, time, talent and the like, do it. Teens can go on road trips, but stop over to help build a GK village. Companies can donate money and labor (during company outings). In other words, everyone can give something.

Companies don't need to help, especially the big ones, but they do it to give back. If they benefit from this well I think it becomes secodary.

[oldblue]

So what's your point oldblue? Big companies should help the poor because they have no choice? This is the message I am getting from your comments. It's like your criticizing them becuase they're helping and I am sure you'll do the same if they refuse.

In my POV, just follow suit. If you are in a position to help, like donate money, time, talent and the like, do it. Teens can go on road trips, but stop over to help build a GK village. Companies can donate money and labor (during company outings). In other words, everyone can give something.

Companies don't need to help, especially the big ones, but they do it to give back. If they benefit from this well I think it becomes secodary.

i am neither criticizing nor complaining nor griping.

i just agreed with *uls.

[prinsipe]

tama si Mr. Meloto dito sa sinabi nya...

"We gave life to the spirit of negativity, pessimism and divisiveness in our country and succeeded in convincing ourselves that we are hopeless."

eto pa isa...

"So I speak before you as an ordinary Filipino who has discovered the potential of every Filipino to make a difference and to bring about meaningful change by learning to trust one another and to work together for the common good." the key word here is TRUST.

eto pa isa...
"Change will not come easy, that’s why we need to encourage and we need to honor all the good examples around us. We need to invite everyone to come on board. Poverty is so massive that our response to it cannot be small. We cannot rebuild this country if we do not engage every sector of society including government. It is counter-productive to judge all government officials as corrupt. In dealing with dishonest men, just be honest. We cannot change people if we make them our enemies. Engage them and bring out the best in them." my reason in posting the speeches is to inspire/encourage the motoring community to be part of this changing process. If you are not inspired/encourage then I'm sorry, kasi nun binasa ko yun speech nagkaroon ng konting pag-asa sa akin for a better Philippines. Maybe it's just me...mababaw!

Peace to all and God Bless!