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    Esperon should run after ‘Filipino traitors’

    By Alejandro Lichauco
    ANALYSIS

    03/26/2007

    Who are the real subversives and traitors of the land
    — as defined by the patriotic and nationalist elements
    in the Armed Forces in their Web site
    www.sundalo.bravhost.com?

    In an article posted in that site titled What We
    Filipinos Should Know, “Filipino traitors” were
    defined as “any government politician, native Filipino
    businessman and/or technocrat in our homeland who
    support and help implement policies that only welcome
    and further strengthen foreign control of our economy
    and exploitation of our national resources/patrimony .”
    The article concludes, in bold letters, that: “In
    short, such a Filipino is a traitor.”

    On what ground did the patriotic-nationali st sundalos
    issue such definition? One reason was this, and I
    quote: “With TNCs (transnational corporations) , our
    people have only experienced massive layoffs,
    witnessed the ruthless closing of native manufacturing
    facilities or buying off of such facilities, and the
    creation of a small, native middle- class whose
    self-interests understandably are tied up to the
    foreign entities rather than indigenous growth.” The
    reasoning continues: “With mainland China becoming the
    ‘factory of the world’ we saw the demise of whatever
    industrialization and essential agricultural
    production we have. What we have left are TNCs with
    their native partners amassing the best lands and
    planting for exports, for conversion to golf courses
    and other entertainment/ sports for the wealthy and
    foreigners, while pushing more people toward
    impoverishment.”

    And who are the elements responsible for the policies
    that enabled global investors to kill off local
    industries and create the “massive layoffs?”

    Who, but the free traders and globalists who pushed
    this nation into the WTO, created a one-sided playing
    field for foreign producers by radically reducing
    tariffs and eliminating the system of quantitative
    import restrictions which once protected the nation’s
    farmers and local industries from the unrestrained
    invasion of imports and who would now eliminate all
    nationalist provisions in the Constitution designed to
    ensure that the Philippines remain in the hands and
    ownership of Filipinos. This refers to the infamous
    Cha-cha.

    These are the elements which General Esperon, in his
    capacity as head of the Armed Forces of the
    Philippines (AFP) should be going after, for these are
    the elements who would turn over this country lock,
    stock and barrel to international investors including
    the investment arms of foreign governments.

    Instead, the elements being hounded by Esperon are
    those who, whether communists or anti-communists, are
    standing up for the sovereignty and independence of
    this country and are on record in their vigorous
    opposition to the globalist regime of this
    administration and preceding administrations as well.

    What, Esperon should be asking himself, do he and the
    AFP he heads really stand for? Are he and the
    institution he heads in favor of the policies espoused
    and being vigorously pushed by the globalists and the
    free traders who now control the levers of political
    and economic power in the land? Doesn’t he care one
    tiny bit for the sovereignty and independence of the
    republic whose national security he is sworn to
    protect? Doesn’t he care at all whether this country —
    its land and resources, its schools, its media, its
    hospitals and in fact its entire economy — falls under
    the ownership and control of the Americans, the
    Japanese, the Chinese, the South Koreans, the
    Malaysians, and of everyone else except the Filipinos?

    For whom are Esperon and this AFP really working? For
    whom are they prepared to lay down their lives and
    their honor? For the Americans, the Chinese, the
    Japanese, etc. etc. etc.?

    Has Esperon heard of Bonifacio? Of Recto? Of Quezon?
    Doesn’t he see any distinction between nationalists
    and anti-nationalists? He doesn’t? Hasn’t he read the
    constitutional provisions mandating that the Senate
    should inculcate patriotism and nationalism in the
    Armed Forces?

    Is Esperon a mercenary — for global interests and
    international forces?

    Does Esperon fall within the definition of “Filipino
    traitor” as defined by the patriotic-nationali sts
    sundalos?

    Well, he better go out of his way to prove that he
    doesn’t fall within that definition and he can prove
    that by arresting the free traders and globalists who,
    by their policies and ideology, have pushed the
    overwhelming number of Filipinos into a state of
    hunger and starvation.

    Or doesn’t he care for so long as he continues to get
    his paycheck?

    Wake up, General. Wake up to the treason and to the
    traitor class you serve. Or don’t you know that you
    are in the service of a traitor class?

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    Can anybody spell LEFTIST slash MILITARY JUNTA? :rofl01:

    We've heard of this spiel a thousand times already... the military should take the power from its civilian leaders in the name of "nationalism".

    Traitor class? So, that is what those commies are calling us now...

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    hmmm that is weird.

    di ba si ramos nag simula ng globalization? so does ramos (who is i think military, tama ba?) e traitor din?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdamazda View Post
    Can anybody spell LEFTIST slash MILITARY JUNTA? :rofl01:

    We've heard of this spiel a thousand times already... the military should take the power from its civilian leaders in the name of "nationalism".

    Traitor class? So, that is what those commies are calling us now...
    I'm not much into politics. But, he does have a point. Last I remembered when Makoy was still in power, the Philippines was self-sufficient in rice. Most imports then was wheat for making bread. Then for years, I lost track of events in the Philippines. Next thing I hear, the Philippines is now importing rice. I found that almost unbelievable. The very basic staple is being imported? When I first heard about it, I thought it was temporary because of typhoons. My brother-in-law used to grow rice. But a typhoon destroyed his whole crop and stores. I didn't think importing rice would last. Now that it is longterm, it comes as a shock to me.....
    Last edited by Jun aka Pekto; March 26th, 2007 at 07:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baker123 View Post
    hmmm that is weird.

    di ba si ramos nag simula ng globalization? so does ramos (who is i think military, tama ba?) e traitor din?
    I don't think that this piece or writing or that website is from an element of the military.

    Compared to the other REAL patriotic & nationalistic groups within the military who are just espousing for clean governance & leadership (right leaning).

    But the wordings and ideology of this writing leans too far to the left to be believed as coming from the military. Seems like some external elements wants to believe us or our soldiers that this group does exist. Phrases like "global interest", "massive layoffs", "free traders", "foreign ownership", etc. betrays the source of this write-up.


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    Haynako...

    We live in a free market system... heck, we live in a free market world.

    Why should our govt (or any govt) protect local businesses/industries if they are unable to adapt and compete with others in their field be it local or foreign.

    If ur company cant produce something more efficiently... if ur company cant price its product competitively... if ur company cant simply compete, then it should die.

    Dont go around complaining that ur competition is killing u and asking the govt to impose tarriffs on ur competitor's product to save ur ass.

    Protectionism... nationalism... that's what causes world wars.

    When people become way too nationalistic, resentment towards outsiders (foreigners) builds. That results in hatred.

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    Survival of the fittest ang buhay sa mundo.

    If u cant make it in this world (person or business), dont blame the govt. It isnt the govt's job to help u.

    People acquire new skills that make them more money. If u fail to acquire those skills, who do u blame? the govt?

    If other companies use high technology to manufacture better quality products faster and they can sell more cheaply that yours, who do u blame? the govt? And u also go ask the govt to harrass ur competitor?

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    To the "Filipino Traitor" writer ----

    Reality check dude, we dont live in La-La Land where someone will always save ur ass when u fail to make it.

    We live in a jungle called the free market. Matira ang matibay,

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    Haynako...

    We live in a free market system... heck, we live in a free market world.

    Why should our govt (or any govt) protect local businesses/industries if they are unable to adapt and compete with others in their field be it local or foreign.

    If ur company cant produce something more efficiently... if ur company cant price its product competitively... if ur company cant simply compete, then it should die.

    Dont go around complaining that ur competition is killing u and asking the govt to impose tarriffs on ur competitor's product to save ur ass.

    Protectionism... nationalism... that's what causes world wars.

    When people become way too nationalistic, resentment towards outsiders (foreigners) builds. That results in hatred.

    ------

    Survival of the fittest ang buhay sa mundo.

    If u cant make it in this world (person or business), dont blame the govt. It isnt the govt's job to help u.

    People acquire new skills that make them more money. If u fail to acquire those skills, who do u blame? the govt?

    If other companies use high technology to manufacture better quality products faster and they can sell more cheaply that yours, who do u blame? the govt? And u also go ask the govt to harrass ur competitor?

    -------------------

    To the "Filipino Traitor" writer ----

    Reality check dude, we dont live in La-La Land where someone will always save ur ass when u fail to make it.

    We live in a jungle called the free market. Matira ang matibay,
    I think you may be over simplifying things. The government still has a responsibility to provide an adequate infrastructure to allow the supposed "free-market" system to work properly. Roads and other transportation systems must be maintained, taxes must be spent and allocated to support the local economy (not pork barrels and campaign posters), and the government MUST foster an environment of global competetiveness. When farmers feel it is easier to go to the city and beg for food, there is a serious problem with the government AND the peoples' mentality. Self sufficiency isn't a given unless you live in the mountains and hunt/fish for food and grow your own crops. It must still be fostered and maintained by the government that taxes the populace and regulates trade supposedly on THEIR behalf.

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    i for one dont agree na survival of the fittest dapat. that's what govts. and civilizations are for.

    kapag nagugutom na ang karamihan ng mamamayan, balewala din ang ma-achieve ng mga globalists/traders/businessmen and globalization in general ... for it will definitely backfire on all of us.

    I believe the article above is just an eye-opener for our govt. wag masyado kampihan ng husto ang may mga pera, ma-pera at ma-resources. pang-private lang ang ganyan paniniwala. the govt. should be for the people.

    "Well, he better go out of his way to prove that he
    doesn’t fall within that definition and he can prove
    that by arresting the free traders and globalists who,
    by their policies and ideology, have pushed the
    overwhelming number of Filipinos into a state of
    hunger and starvation."
    this is fast-becoming a reality na nga.
    Last edited by oldblue; March 27th, 2007 at 01:36 AM.

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    South Korea and the US are trying to hammer out a trade agreement right now. While South Korea is tenacious in pushing their own products, they're just as tenacious in protecting their own farmers. Why can't the Philippines be more selective and protect a few key products like rice for example?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070326/...usa_trade_dc_1

    Add: Even the US have their own protective measures like subsidies on local cotton and restrictions on imported cotton.

    I also have to agree with mazdamazda that issues like these can often be exploited by the far left/commies. People need to be vigilant about such issues.
    Last edited by Jun aka Pekto; March 27th, 2007 at 04:03 AM.

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    U think the govt doesnt protect local industry?

    read this:

    part 1 http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=55474

    part 2 http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryID=55601

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    U think the govt doesnt protect local industry?

    read this:

    part 1 http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=55474

    part 2 http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryID=55601
    Well, at least the clothes will smell nice because of it. Too bad you can't eat it...... It's Gloria the labandera's best friend.
    Last edited by Jun aka Pekto; March 27th, 2007 at 05:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jun aka Pekto View Post
    Why can't the Philippines be more selective and protect a few key products like rice for example?
    Actually the Philippines has been protecting its farmers by obtaining a much debated rice import limitation agreement with the WTO. The Philippines imports cheap rice from Vietnam / Pakistan but in return exports premium rice to 1st world countries.

    The Philippines is having hard time catching up with its domestic requirements simply because of the surge of storms that have wreaked havoc on our farms not to mention pests. The new hybrid rice that is being used nationwide (and subsidized by the government) have already boosted rice production significantly and would ensure that the Philippines will be rice sufficient come 2012/2013 (which will also be aided by the completion of the new irrigation projects currently being undertaken).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdamazda View Post
    Actually the Philippines has been protecting its farmers by obtaining a much debated rice import limitation agreement with the WTO. The Philippines imports cheap rice from Vietnam / Pakistan but in return exports premium rice to 1st world countries.

    The Philippines is having hard time catching up with its domestic requirements simply because of the surge of storms that have wreaked havoc on our farms not to mention pests. The new hybrid rice that is being used nationwide (and subsidized by the government) have already boosted rice production significantly and would ensure that the Philippines will be rice sufficient come 2012/2013 (which will also be aided by the completion of the new irrigation projects currently being undertaken).
    Ok. So the effects of the losses from those typhoons are still being felt then. Kind of sad though because the losses from those typhoons effectively put my brother-in-law out of business. We had to help buoy him (and his family) up until he established another business. My bad then for reacting to the Philippines importing rice.

    If it's any comfort, it's that same "grown in the Philippines" premium rice my wife favors over any other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdamazda View Post
    I don't think that this piece or writing or that website is from an element of the military.

    Compared to the other REAL patriotic & nationalistic groups within the military who are just espousing for clean governance & leadership (right leaning).

    But the wordings and ideology of this writing leans too far to the left to be believed as coming from the military. Seems like some external elements wants to believe us or our soldiers that this group does exist. Phrases like "global interest", "massive layoffs", "free traders", "foreign ownership", etc. betrays the source of this write-up.



    you're right sir.

    masyadong magaling sumulat. hehehe

    naging economist e.

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    One side problem in rice-self-sufficiency is the leftist-militants teaming up with the Greenpeace junkies and sabotaging efforts to use genetically modified hybrid rice strains.

    Now, I'm not saying that there would be absolutely no problems with using GM rice, but, come on... research and facts before crass sentimentality and overzealous paranoia.

    Massive Lay-offs? Like those that have happened in numerous multi-national companies due to efforts by the KMU to create work stoppages? Many thanks to those kind people who have our people's best interests at heart. Lots of newly-christened "traitor-class" Filipinos (factory workers who attained middle-class status through high wages and benefits) are now "true" Filipinos again. :hysterical:

    And this is as if it was all one way. Pity the poor Americans who lost jobs to Filipinos who were raking in the dough.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    Guess the govt wasnt able to protect Chemphil after all

    from yesterday's news:

    http://archive.inquirer.net/view.php...story_id=57619

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdamazda View Post
    Actually the Philippines has been protecting its farmers by obtaining a much debated rice import limitation agreement with the WTO. The Philippines imports cheap rice from Vietnam / Pakistan but in return exports premium rice to 1st world countries.
    How ironic.

    Honestly, trade protectionism, globalization and whatnot is a moot point, from an economic standpoint. For the most part, they're really political issues with economic implications (take note the difference).

    As for trade protectionism, for me Solita Monsod in her Economics 11 class couldn't have put it better. If she doesn't mind that I paraphrase her:

    The only decent excuse I've heard for trade protectionism is the startup of infant industry. The problem is the infant industries need to grow up, but they often don't want to.

    Re uls and survival of the fittest:

    When a dad bails out his idiot son from some stupid act, the son gets away as if the stupid act never happened at the expense of the family (financial, legal, moral, whatever).

    When the government bails out an industry from some stupid act, the said industry gets away as if the stupid act never happened - at the expense of everybody else.

    Government should be an impartial referee who whistles upon a foul. NOT a dad who spoils his son by showering him with gifts AND bailing him out when he does something stupid.

    If you can't play the game, if you aren't qualified to play the game, you don't deserve to be winning - especially not by default. Hence the survival of the fittest.
    Last edited by Alpha_One; March 31st, 2007 at 08:46 PM.

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    i dont know ha, mahirap kung ang role lang ng govt. is to become a referee.

    in most developed countries, their governments have some sort of provision to bail out a malfunctioning member of society. I think they give allowances pa nga for the citizen to get back on his/her feet.

    in govt. - citizen relationship, there's no such person as not qualified.

    kahit na taong grasa na hindi nag-contribute sa society, pag namatay sa kalsada, obligation pa din ng gobyerno na ilibing sya kung walang ibang maglilibing. hindi dahil, puwede magbigay ng disease ang bangkay niya dahil kakalat-kalat sa lansangan, kungdi dahil he is still human.

    kung corporation ang maglilibing, the former reason will apply. bec. corporations are self-serving -> a characteristic of every man for himself or "survival of the fittest".
    Last edited by oldblue; April 1st, 2007 at 01:46 AM.

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    dati nung high school pa ako nakita ko sa diyaryo yung isang leftist, nasigaw siya ng " ibagsak ang imperyalistang kano " habang nakataas ang nakaposas niyang kamay na may sindi ng Marlboro na blue seal

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    Haynako...

    We live in a free market system... heck, we live in a free market world.

    Why should our govt (or any govt) protect local businesses/industries if they are unable to adapt and compete with others in their field be it local or foreign.

    If ur company cant produce something more efficiently... if ur company cant price its product competitively... if ur company cant simply compete, then it should die.

    Dont go around complaining that ur competition is killing u and asking the govt to impose tarriffs on ur competitor's product to save ur ass.

    Protectionism... nationalism... that's what causes world wars.

    When people become way too nationalistic, resentment towards outsiders (foreigners) builds. That results in hatred.

    ------

    Survival of the fittest ang buhay sa mundo.

    If u cant make it in this world (person or business), dont blame the govt. It isnt the govt's job to help u.

    People acquire new skills that make them more money. If u fail to acquire those skills, who do u blame? the govt?

    If other companies use high technology to manufacture better quality products faster and they can sell more cheaply that yours, who do u blame? the govt? And u also go ask the govt to harrass ur competitor?

    -------------------

    To the "Filipino Traitor" writer ----

    Reality check dude, we dont live in La-La Land where someone will always save ur ass when u fail to make it.

    We live in a jungle called the free market. Matira ang matibay,

    So I think this reason justifies the existence of JDM scrap auctions here and there and the pack-up of current japanese automakers from the country to Thailand and mass lay-off of automaker plant employees...

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