Explosion at Glorietta?

**wildthing** · October 22nd, 2007 08:00 PM

i really don't know pero IMO it looks like a real explossive (C4 or TNT) explossion.

Diesel don't explode unless merun extreme pressure or heat.

Methane leak (as per news)... I doubt.

**badkuk** · October 22nd, 2007 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by nels76

Diesel burns by compression and not by Ignition.
Kita mo Diesel Engine, no spark plugs.
All the engine do is to compress it to have a combustion.

pasensiya na sir, di ko masyado nagets B) so kung sumabog po ung diesel e possible po na walang residue/burning?

hmm...i guess posible rin that the methane may have ignited, hence exerting pressure on the diesel tank...and boom

**froshie1** · October 22nd, 2007 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by 6shooter

safe side po ang mambintang at gumamit ng source para i paalam eto? safe side po ang gumawa ng kwento para mag takot ang mga tao? o ibintang ang di pa nahuhusgahan.

one of two things lang po iyon. either ang source niyo ang hindi nagsasabi ng totoo...o kayo po. IMHO.

Call it pambibintang but the govt has failed its people many times. I got this info from my father's friend whose intentions are good. Besides he said possible, didn't I post that word?

It won't hurt especially if you're living in a country wherein laws are just merely suggestions and being run mostly by scalawags.

Pero kung napruweba po na pamahalaan nga ang may kakagawan tatanggapin ko at hihingi po ako ng paumanhin niyo. ngunit ngayon hinatulan na ng iba. di ko nga po alam kung bakit may mga ganun din po. Bibintang para magkaroon ng "witchhunt" kaysa hintayin muna ang resulta. May pagka "mob" rule din kasi dito diba?

You don't have to say this. Nobody in his right mind won't wish that (gov't is the mastermind) will happen. I for one even if I heard that info don't want to believe it. But again, how many times did the govt failed its people? That made me take this route on being in the safe side because sad to say you can't rely on them.

**cutedoc** · October 23rd, 2007 12:03 AM

dont you think there are cover ups???

1. if the problem was caused by a bomb be it a manmade or whatever, if the philippine surveilance team or the bomb squad are knowledgeable they shouyld already found out if it was caused by a bomb or not, or they are just bobo...

2. if it was the diesel which causes the explosion like what the news tries to tell the public on night news, how sure are they, couldnt they define after more than 48 hrs, i know its not a simple task but if your job is to handle such cases and studied on dealing with these cases, probably by now the govt should have come up with a solid statement and and an assumed one...

3. pertaining to number 1 which if the explosion was caused by a bomb, the fingers are pointing whos in charge??? blame it on

4. if explosion was caused by diesel, ayala must wash hands and put blame on rajah sulayman, OML, or whoever it is whom they could pin point, to save their face

- i think they already knew what the cause was, but they are still waiting for the money and where to put the blame on after recieving the cash

imo - there was a bomb to scare the administration, it was set up however near the diesel chamber which cause a massive explosion, if this were true katuwa siguro ng gumawa dahil with a simple bomb he was able to get into headline, it either he really knew how it is all gonna happen, or it was just a matter of nagkataon lang.

**wildthing** · October 23rd, 2007 08:59 AM

i think there is a cover-up. and the bomb was probably sponsored .... but definitely not by a terrorist group... otherwise nuon pa sila nagpasabi.

people who did the plaza miranda bombing are still around and these are the type of people who will do anything just to be in power....

**Monseratto** · October 23rd, 2007 09:13 AM

Apparently a majority of pinoys have become too paranoid and distrustful of this pandak goverment. Media and the celphone brigade has really done its thing that people would believe anything as gospel truth even though there is no collaborative proof. Nawala na yung open mindedness and common sense...

**lugarai** · October 23rd, 2007 09:21 AM

Diesel fuel will autoignite when it is heated up up to 177-263C (flash point) methane gas will not create fire that can reach up to that temperature since this is only gas (can't reach that high temp). Trillanes was so sure that Esperon and Gonzales were all behind of this killings. Why? because gonzales has a story of using destructive bombs as Trillanes said from his interview. Investigations will not be that so hard (as the authority said) if there will be no cover-up to be made and under the order of NSC. The good part of this is Razon already said that there's RDX present and it is especially mixed to have destructive result and there's no way that this substance will be present in the mixture of diesel and/or methane gas even if you burn in or compressed it.

**claRkEnt** · October 23rd, 2007 01:35 PM

ginagawa na namang tanga mga tao by insisting that the explosion had been caused by the "septic tank-diesel tank" presence in the basement. there were even reports that police and army personnel had a squabble on whogets some pieces of evidence whereas this should be handled solely by the police investigators. tsk tsk tsk

the more issues like this comes up, the more suspicions on cover-up/whitewash is surfacing.

ot: Dr. W. Jose had been my prof. nakakatulog ako sa class nya.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=96707

'Makati blast not caused by methane-diesel mix'

[SIZE=2]Experts from the University of the Philippines-College of Engineering thumbed down on the theory that the blast last Friday at Glorietta 2 mall in Makati City was caused by chemical and gas leaks.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Chemical engineering professors Ernesto dela Cruz and Wilfredo Jose, faculty members and students said it was unlikely that a leak from the tank containing thousands of liters of diesel at the mall's basement caused the blast.

[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]The engineers said diesel is not a volatile substance and will not explode as a liquid at any rate. They said it has to be in a gaseous state and has to vaporize before it can explode.

[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]They said that for diesel to vaporize, it has to be heated to up to more than 200 degrees Celsius inside an engine.

[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Dela Cruz, Jose and the others also said that it would also be impossible that methane gas that allegedly leaked from the mall's septic tank caused the blast.

[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]The experts, however, said that methane will explode only if ignited. They said a mixture of five to 15 percent methane and 85 percent oxygen may explode but only if it set on fire.

[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]They added that the mixture should contain a substantial amount of chemical components to reach a blast magnitude similar to the one at the mall on Friday afternoon.

[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]The professors said they doubt that there was enough methane inside the Glorietta 2 sewer to fuel the explosion that reached up to the building's roof three stories from the basement.

[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]They also said that the rate of reaction would have to be quick to attain an explosion with impact. There should also have been a bad odor, much like that of rotten eggs, if the cause of the blast was indeed methane gas.

[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Dela Cruz and Jose added that it would be impossible to have a chain reaction between methane and diesel. They said such a reaction could have resulted to a fire but not an explosion.[/SIZE]

**1D4LV** · October 23rd, 2007 01:42 PM

imho.... if the septic tank theory is true then all individual households are at risk in blowing up.

yun nga lang ang magiging fragments eh jebs.....