Executive Order 464: Tama ba?

[baiskee]

delikado na to pag AFP na ang kikilos...

ika nga ni mareng winnie... "its like unleashing a dragon".

nuno! baba ka na dyan sa punso mo. wag mo na hintayin dumanak ng dugo.

[falken]

If she's got nothing to hide, she wouldn't need to issue this gag order.

[109]

mukang maraming anti-GMA dito hehehehe roll call nga....

109............present!!!!!!! :bwahaha:

[oldblue]

Is it right for Malacanang to issue E.O. 464 requiring all government employees to seek permission from Malacanang before attending a congressional inquiry? If you'ved seen the movie "Clear and Present Danger" not even the president of the U.S. was able to stop Jack Ryan to appear in the senate inquiry. Of course this is just a movie, but isn't it how it's suppose to be?

i think so for the interest of national security. security from internal threat. sa US kasi, kapag may nag-testify against the Pres., d sila nagwawala parang bata sa kalye o nag-pa-plot ala Tom Clancy movie, habang testify pa lang ... sa C span dami din pasabog mga kalaban ng Presidente dun, pero US Citizens/viewers are discreet.

[zeagle]

i think so for the interest of national security. security from internal threat. sa US kasi, kapag may nag-testify against the Pres., d sila nagwawala parang bata sa kalye o nag-pa-plot ala Tom Clancy movie, habang testify pa lang ... sa C span dami din pasabog mga kalaban ng Presidente dun, pero US Citizens/viewers are discreet.

I don't understand what national security threat would happen revealing how the Venable (yata) contract was financed. Unless yung national security threat na yon e mag-aklas yung bayan labas sa admin. Baka yun nga?

[Belisarius]

The National Security is the security of the little dwarf in the palace who have no place to go when she goes, and she is fighting tooth and nail for survival, she afraid of the truth and this is one way of preventing it coming out in the open. But sooner than later the issue will explode on her face and guess who will be laughing.

[oldblue]

mag-aklas, maging indifferent, mag-plot, mag-conspire, mag-backfight, mag-intriga, mag-anarchy, maging-negative, maging-hopeless. those sorts of internal security threat stuff ... things that will make a society deviate from its daily productive routine. in certain cases, some truths can indirectly do more harm than good ...

since influenced naman tayo lahat ng American Movies, try to watch American President, yun si Douglas ba yun, asawa ni super ganda Catherine Zeta Jones. In the ending, He delivered a very powerful speech (even though it's just acting) ... it was an eye-opener for me, maybe just maybe it might influence some of us pinoys.

[oldblue]

anyway, here it is (just googled) :
http://americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpe...president.html

play it or read it ...

"We have serious problems to solve, and we need serious people to solve them. And whatever your particular problem is, I promise you Bob Rumson is not the least bit interested in solving it. He is interested in two things, and two things only: making you afraid of it, and telling you who's to blame for it. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you win elections. "

[Belisarius]

The premise of an orderly society is based on a system of checks and balances, if she is not afraid and is confident of her stand, why is she preventing people from speaking against her gov't specially where serious allegations of cheating and fraud is on hand. Her premise of blaming the opposition for all the ills of her society is not entirely true, her extended years of service failed to sustain this country's will to develop. When there is smoke there is fire unless proven otherwise.

[zeagle]

anyway, here it is (just googled) :
http://americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpe...president.html

play it or read it ...

"We have serious problems to solve, and we need serious people to solve them. And whatever your particular problem is, I promise you Bob Rumson is not the least bit interested in solving it. He is interested in two things, and two things only: making you afraid of it, and telling you who's to blame for it. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you win elections. "

But in this case, alam natin sa movie that the President is clean kaya may karapatan siya sabihin yan kay Bob Rumson.

[zeagle]

Parang ang mas magandang movie dito yung "You want the truth! You can't handle the truth!"

[BoyFerrari]

Take note that Norberto Gonzales was willing to answer the senators' questions in an Executive Session because the information he will give is of concern to national security, something the senators did not want to hold (maybe because they really intend to humiliate Gonzales with their prepared line of questioning).

Why not call an executive session so that Gonzales will come out with his answers as he had promised? Why insist on public dramatics showing senators berating an official of a co-equal branch of government?

My point here is that our method of "seeking the truth" is always being clouded by political scorn for one another. Senators wanted to destroy Arroyo, Arroyo wanted to squash the opposition. Where does the GENUINE "seeking the truth" come in? Political agenda is written all over the place.

[oldblue]

But in this case, alam natin sa movie that the President is clean kaya may karapatan siya sabihin yan kay Bob Rumson.

actually he's not clean, he was promiscuous in some sense bec. he had an affair with a political analyst, even to the point of making a motel out of the white house. he was also considered incompetent coz na-seduce sya romance and he was neglecting his job as President.

of course, this is hollywood, so forgiveable yun offense, sino ba hindi naloloko sa romance? hehehe

anyway OT na'to.

just read between the lines on what he said above. baka lang may, just baka lang may mapulot tayong lesson ...

[explorer]

‘Not a one-woman rule’

Sept 30, 2005
Updated 00:28am (Mla time)
Armand N. Nocum Juliet Labog-Javellana Christian V. Esguerra
Inquirer News Service

FATHER JOAQUIN BERNAS, dean emeritus of the Ateneo Law School and a noted constitutional expert, said President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo could not invoke executive privilege to cover up allegations that she stole last year’s elections.

Bernas said Executive Order No. 464 prevented the legislative branch from exercising its role as fiscalizer and disturbed the balance of power among the branches of government.

“It’s a gag rule. She’s obstructing the work of the legislature. She is blocking the checks and balances among coequal branches of government,” he said. “We are still a rule of democracy, not a rule of one woman.”

Administration and opposition senators also said yesterday they would challenge Ms Arroyo’s gag order before the Supreme Court.

The Constitution says only department heads cannot attend congressional hearings without the President’s permission, said Bernas. He said this did not apply to Brigadier General Francisco Gudani, who testified Wednesday before a Senate committee on alleged electoral fraud involving the First Couple.

“The revelation of Gudani is not covered by executive privilege. He should reveal it because it’s a criminal offense,” he said.

Gudani, assistant superintendent of the Philippine Military Academy, can go to court to question the order relieving him of his post for attending the Senate hearing, Bernas said.

A member of the body that drafted the 1987 Constitution, Bernas also scored the President for disregarding the rule of law in order to protect her Cabinet.

“She is refusing to reveal things, but what she wants to cover, I don’t know,” said Bernas, who is also an Inquirer columnist.

Ms Arroyo’s order, issued Wednesday, prohibits government, police and military officials from appearing at congressional hearings without her consent. The order outlines procedures for official appearances, including a three-day notice and the prior submission of questionnaires.

Senate Minority Leader Aquilino Pimentel said he would challenge the order before the high tribunal.

“Public officials in this country are obliged to cooperate with the lawmaking body so that their problems can be addressed,” Pimentel said.

“There is bipartisan support that this EO would not do any good for the relationship between the executive and the legislative,” Senate President Franklin Drilon said. “We support the plan of Senator Pimentel to bring this to the Supreme Court.”

Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago said that under the Constitution, a Cabinet member needed to get the President’s consent only if he would be testifying on his own initiative in the Senate or the House.

Palace can’t ignore summons

“But if the testimony is elicited on the request of a chamber, the official has to appear and testify even if the President does not consent,” said Santiago, usually a staunch Arroyo ally.

The Senate can cite an official for contempt if he rejects or evades an invitation to testify, she said.

“Under the Constitution, the only power given to the President is to compel that the investigation should not be held at a public hearing but in executive session,” Santiago said.

Saying the President had no legislative powers, Santiago said an executive order issued by Ms Arroyo would only have the force of law if it was issued pursuant to a law passed by Congress.

“If the President merely wants to give instructions to her subordinates in the executive department, then she should not issue an EO but an administrative order. But whether EO or AO, a presidential issuance which is not based on a specific statute has no power to bind the Congress,” she said.

Fallout embarrassing

Santiago said the EO’s wording that the Constitution guaranteed the separation of powers was flat out wrong.

“In pragmatic terms, it is a cannonade against the Senate. Already, it has elicited fallout which at best is embarrassing for the President, and at worst is a total rejection of the President,” Santiago said.

Administration Senators Francis Pangilinan, Richard Gordon and Rodolfo Biazon called for a less confrontational approach, proposing a dialogue between the Senate and Malacañang to avoid a constitutional crisis.

“This looks like a cure that is worse than the disease. I propose the holding of a dialogue between the Senate and Malacañang to defuse the growing tension,” Pangilinan, the Senate majority leader, said.

“I am certain that Malacañang knows it is futile for it to even try to make the Senate inutile and subservient. The Senate, on the other hand, will never give up its constitutional duty to act as a check and balance to the executive branch,” Pangilinan said.

“I am afraid we are in a constitutional confrontation. I hope this won’t escalate into a crisis,” Biazon said, urging Palace and Senate officials to sit down to discuss a more acceptable rule.

Oppressive orders

House Minority Leader Francis Escudero told reporters in Cebu the United Opposition would fight the order. “We will not definitely take this sitting down.”

Archbishop Oscar Cruz said Ms Arroyo’s crackdown on street protests and Wednesday’s gag order were indications of insecurity.

Cruz said the President was becoming less credible and people were becoming more suspicious of her actions as a result of the quashing on Sept. 6 of the impeachment complaints against her. He said this left controversies unresolved.

Alienating people

“This is primarily why she is finding it harder to govern,” he said in a statement. “This is basically the reason why she gives more oppressive orders. And this is precisely why there are also more dissent and resentment among an increasing number of people.”

Fr. Robert Reyes yesterday said the Arroyo administration was “alienating” the people because the President was more concerned about keeping her position.

“We are not moving forward,” said the activist priest. “The entire government machinery, all its human, material and financial resources, are constantly mobilized to keep one person in power.”

Reyes criticized Archbishop Fernando Capalla, outgoing president of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines and an Arroyo ally.

“Is there much we can expect from either the government or the Church who both speak the language of the elite, the language of status quo? There seems to be little that the Church can say now because it has chosen to say precisely that -- little,” he said. With a report from Jolene R. Bulambot and Jhunnex Napallacan, PDI Visayas Bureau

[jimaroquai]

IMHO, Dapat ng tigilan ng senate ang in aid of legislation kuno na yan. Gimik lang nila yan to push their selfish political agenda. Ilang batas naba ang naipasa nila? puro ngawa wala namang ginagawa. Sobra na masyado ang pulitika dito sa pilipinas, mag artista nalang kaya sila. Buti pa si Bong laki ng income sa showbiz senator pa... hehehe

Pasensya na po OT

OT po rin. Senate can conduct hearings pero "in aid of legislation" lang talaga. If they find something fishy sa kanilang investigation which needs action other than legislation, ineendorse nila sa proper authorities.

Ilang batas na napasa nila? Well insider ako ng senate and sad to say eh nasisira ang legislative calendar ng mga senators because of Malacanang's priority bills. Hindi nga ganoon karami ang batas na naipasa nila last 12th Congress coz maraming issue ang nasa public hearings pa.

Si Bong? Sobrang busy nga niya siguro sa taping kaya wala siyang participation sa floor.

So far heto ang masisipag na senators this 13th Congress:

Admi: Drilon, Flavier, Pangilinan, Recto, Villar, Biazon, Gordon, Enrile, Roxas
Opposition: Pimentel, Jinggoy Estrada, Loi Estrada, Serge Osmena, Lim

Mga palaging out of the room:

Admi: Cayetano, Lapid, Magsaysay,Santiago, Revilla
Opposition: Angara

Mga tinamaan ng AIDS (As If Doing Something)

Admi: Arroyo, Cayetano
Opposition: Lacson, Madrigal

So sa susunod na election, may idea na kayo kung sino ang masisipag.

[explorer]

if you ask every lawyer in the country, our existing laws are enough already to run the country properly. if there's a need to pass a law, it's more in business laws because business environtment in the country had changed in a decade (and will continue to change) because of economic globalization. so kailangan yung mga congressmen at senators may background about business or have an interest to deal with business laws that will protect not only the country but also make the business community a level playing field and will attract more investors but at the same time protect the small businesses from big monopolies.

on implementing the laws, it's the executive branch headed by the president down to barangay captain that must execute the laws. so di nila pwede sisihin yung mga senators kasi most of the laws are already there. have we heard anyone complaining that we don't have an availale law to deal with any of the existing concerns now?

[mbt]

kapal ng mukha ni gloria. EO 464 shows how dense her face has become.

you know it's just so obviously, blatantly, uncontestably wrong when even Miriam Defensor-Santiago agrees that it it so.

[CoDer]

Tnx sa insight sir jimaroquai. e si sen. lito lapid marunong na po bang mag ingles?

Oo nag sir explorer ano. bah kung ganun eh di pwede.


ABOLISH NA ANG SENATE!


hehehehe... pasensya napo palaging OT.

[shadow]

Take note that Norberto Gonzales was willing to answer the senators' questions in an Executive Session because the information he will give is of concern to national security, something the senators did not want to hold (maybe because they really intend to humiliate Gonzales with their prepared line of questioning).

Why not call an executive session so that Gonzales will come out with his answers as he had promised? Why insist on public dramatics showing senators berating an official of a co-equal branch of government?

My point here is that our method of "seeking the truth" is always being clouded by political scorn for one another. Senators wanted to destroy Arroyo, Arroyo wanted to squash the opposition. Where does the GENUINE "seeking the truth" come in? Political agenda is written all over the place.

WHAT!? for him to tell who is that kind hearted "private citizen" who volunteered to pay for the contract, concerns national security??? is that a joke? unless that private citizen is a first gentleman...

[jim]

Wala na talaga. Wala din naman tayong magawa kundi magreklamo. Kawawang Pilipinas ulit!!!!