China, Philippines locked in naval standoff

[ghosthunter]

The only interest of the world to China is her population:

with almost 2 billion people, America can selective sell their products to just a mere 2-5% of the Chinese elite, and make profits.

also with almost 2 billion people, America can produce products at cheaper overhead from oversupply of workers.

How can America produce anything when nearly all her factories are now located in China?

China is the last major untapped market for western goods but America (in general) is in no position to be able to take advantage of it.

[ghosthunter]

The true source of power of any nation is thru its people. it's called people empowerment. Most of the Chinese live below the $200 / month threshold. compare that to the standard of living of any American, and dun pa lang makikita mo how Americans will never agree to what you're saying hehe

- ang problem ni China is katulad natin, a very small island nation with almost a 100M people. if war erupts, her population will be her biggest problem, internal ika nga. The difference nga lang between Filipinos and Chinese. we Filipinos are sanay sa hirap at nagagawa pang masaya. The Chinese easily loses hope and that's why yun statistics nila of suicide is malaki. why? bec. they compute too much. if you compute too much, kahit bali-baligtadin mo pa ang buhay mo, it will always turn out insufficient

The true power of China is not just in it's people. The true power of China is her ability to quickly mobilize her people towards a set goal. If her people have to go through hardships, starvation, etc. they will do it for "China". They have done it many times in China's long history and it is not lost with their current population.

The same cannot be said about the Philippines. We are truly a divided nation, unable to properly achieve set goals.

[timrev]

smokescreen Lang mga yan to make the Chinese think we're outgunned. why do you think the Chinese sent 11 ships vs Del Pilar. del Pilar is heavily armed with all the perks of modern warfare. Now, with a 2nd modern ship on its way and US submarines backing us up, Ano nman kya I-sanction ng China.

yan ang style kse ng Pinoy tlaga be the underdog, be the David. and the Americans teach us that

ganun pala yun..ng mabasa ko nga yan naawa talaga ako sa NAVY natin...parang nagmamakaawa lagyan naman ng ulam yun kanin binibigay...hay but anyway pasalamat natin tayo tinulungan tayo magkaroon ng 2nd warship natin..sana yun pera ni corona pambili ng gamit para sa 2nd navy ship natin hahahaha

[Monseratto]

The Del Pilar is no longer at the Shoal. Only a SAR CG ship is watching over the shoal. Ever since the Chinese declared a fishing ban at the area, the standoff no longer makes front page news. Even the BANANA problem is resolved...

MANILA, Philippines --- Malacanang said yesterday that China has allowed the entry of at least 30 containers filled with banana exports as it expressed optimism that there will be more progress on the banana exports being sent to China as phytosanitary issues are already being addressed.

But the rhetoric and posturing still continues...



Beijing warns third parties to stay out_Politics?China Economic Net

As the Philippines seeks to buy weapons abroad amid a diplomatic crisis with China over the two countries' territorial dispute in the South China Sea, Beijing warned on Tuesday that any attempt by a third country to get involved in the territorial dispute over Huangyan Island between Beijing and Manila will only make the situation worse.

On April 10, a Philippine warship harassed 12 Chinese fishing vessels that had sailed near Huangyan Island, which is part of China's territorial waters in the South China Sea, to seek shelter from a storm. The incident later escalated into a month-long dispute between the two countries.

"The Philippine decision to draw a third party into the incident in any way will further escalate the situation and even change the nature of the issue," Hong Lei, foreign ministry spokesman, said at a regular media briefing.

The comments came as the United States is scheduled to deliver a retired Hamilton class cutter to Manila on Tuesday. This will be the second Hamilton class cutter Manila has obtained from the US.

The first one, also retired from the US, arrived in the Philippines last year, giving the Philippine navy its largest and most advanced warship.

Moreover, Philippine President Benigno Aquino told media outlets that Manila intends to buy a batch of jets ranging in price from $4 million to $8 million.

Albert del Rosario, Philippine foreign affairs secretary, said some other countries are helping Manila establish a "minimum credible defense posture" to complement its diplomatic capacity to deal with territorial disputes with China.

Rosario told media on Sunday that at least three nations besides the United States are on the list - Japan, South Korea and Australia.

He said Japan is likely to provide 12 patrol ships, while the Philippines is considering entering into plane deals with South Korea. The Philippines are also likely to obtain some search and rescue ships from Australia and have a large number of military personnel trained there.

A 47-year-old Hamilton class cutter that was purchased last year from the US was sent to arrest the Chinese fishermen involved in the April 10 incident and was confronted by two Chinese maritime patrol ships. It retreated soon and was replaced by patrol boats.

Qu Xing, director of the China Institute of International Studies, said Manila can improve its military by purchasing arms. But its military can by no means be compared with China's, which is also developing.

And with the Philippine economy performing worse since Aquino became president, the country will face rising financial dangers if it spends too much on its military, Qu said.Song Xiaojun, a Beijing-based commentator, said the plan to buy arms shows that the government has more or less been "kidnapped" by the military, which Manila depends on in its fights against anti-government forces.

The Aquino administration has spent $395 million on the country's military since it took office in 2010. In the 15 years up to that, Manila spent $51 million on average, Song said.

"And even the Philippines itself knows there is something wrong in their logic of one hand taking massive preferential loans from China and one hand using that money to buy weapons."

Major General Xu Yan from the National Defense University of the People's Liberation Army said in an article published on Monday that China has absolute advantage in air and naval forces over the Philippines.

"Once (the Philippines) dares escalate the movements of maritime police into military operations, it will suffer a great calamity from China's strike in response to their attack."

In the past, it usually took two days for Chinese ships to arrive in the waters around Huangyan Island, but China now has "a large batch" of large and advanced ships that it can use in maritime patrols, Xu wrote.

Xu said the Philippines used to arrest and even shoot at Chinese fishermen who were near the island in the 1990s.

"But those days are gone."

[Boy Bastos]

Err...why is China's product cheap? Why do low income earners prefer cheaper products? And have you ever studied REAL history? China existed way, way back, one of continious civilizations dating thousands of years. You don't call that resillency? IBa talaga ka OB. Si Villamor may 52 kills when the history books said 2?

Well I don't care if they(China) are economically wealthy, oldest civilization, powerful military, etc as long as their military forces are massing near our country's border taking or conquering whatever islands they want, I will still support my country even its armed forces are still using WW2 vintage equipments.

Nakahanda na ba ang bayong mo? :D

[uls]

if indeed China is the dominant economic power to reckon with, then why can't they they get a premium on the prices of their products.

coz if they price their products high it defeats the purpose of having cheap products that can compete with more expensive products made by other countries

only American brands/products that are made in China have premium pricing. on the other hand, the products that American factories produce for China are not sold cheap. It can only be afforded by affluent Chinese while a regular Joe/American can afford almost any imported Chinese product.

duh... syempre... kaya nag outsource mga US companies ng production sa China para lumaki ang profit margin

you think US companies outsource production to China para maibaba ang selling price ng products nila sa US? no way. that's not the goal. the goal is para lumaki ang kita

[Monseratto]

Well I don't care if they(China) are economically wealthy, oldest civilization, powerful military, etc as long as their military forces are massing near our country's border taking or conquering whatever islands they want, I will still support my country even its armed forces are still using WW2 vintage equipments.

Nakahanda na ba ang bayong mo? :D

Hinde, cuz I am not paranoid nor a conspiracy theorist who read cheap tabloids like OB... Naniniwala ka ba mag-iinvade ang mga Tsino from someone who claims Villamor shot down 52 Japanese planes?

[uls]

yung mga post ni pop3corn puro fantasy

he lives in a world where the Phils. is a superpower pero pa-underdog ang dating

[uls]

alam niyo yung mga may sayad na paulit ulit pinagmamalaki pinoy ang nagimbento ng fluorescent lamp?

ever met people like that?

OB reminds me of those people

[Monseratto]

Why do you think OD/JEW/GM/P3C/Bong Buang has been banned so many times?

Obi-Wan: Who's the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?

[uls]

there's only 1 reality and infinite fantasies

reality is often hard to accept. or just plain boring

so people resort to fantasy coz it makes them feel better

it feels good naman talaga believing the Philippines has a "big bro" protector

it feels good believing the Phils. has powerful weapons hidden somewhere

it's all in the mind

[uls]

It can only be afforded by affluent Chinese while a regular Joe/American can afford almost any imported Chinese product.

Americans can buy anything they want coz they have credit. Americans buy everything on credit

China doesnt have the consumer credit system the US has

[pop3corn]

Americans can buy anything they want coz they have credit. Americans buy everything on credit

China doesnt have the consumer credit system the US has

the greatness of every nation or its citizen can be seen with what America has showed to the world after the 2008 global financial meltdown. IF this happens to China, ano kaya ang mangyayari?

[renzo_d10]

Patuloy na nangingisda ang mga Chinese sa Scarbourough despite the fishing ban.

[Harangody]

Guys tutulong daw mga aswang, dwende at kapre etc. kung sakaling magka-gera.

[pop3corn]

coz if they price their products high it defeats the purpose of having cheap products that can compete with more expensive products made by other countries



duh... syempre... kaya nag outsource mga US companies ng production sa China para lumaki ang profit margin

you think US companies outsource production to China para maibaba ang selling price ng products nila sa US? no way. that's not the goal. the goal is para lumaki ang kita

The question is how long can they produce cheap.

In a way, na-sympathize naman ako sa problem ng China ngaun. The world got so used with cheap products from China and its transparent to the world na on how they source out the materials needed in producing the cheap goods. and that's why the PLA is tasked to pursue expansionism. IF they can secure the entire South China Sea, siguro by their computation ma-cocontinue pa nila mag-provide ng cheaper goods for next decade or so. Kasi, yun lang naman talaga ang kaya nila ma-i-offer sa mundo .. CHEAP GOODS!

let's take for example, Japan. Japan offered cheap goods in the 70's and 80's but the Japanese knew they couldn't do it forever bec. Japan is just but a small island nation. kaya yan ang Japanese products ngaun, 10 - 20 times more expensive than China. and I believe South Korea is going on the same path.

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and so the Chinese wants to secure more space (whether land or sea resources). if they can dig their own oil sa South China sea para hindi ma-dictate ng world crude oil prices, the better. mas ma-offer nila ng cheap ang products nila.

but here comes the problem of territory. The Chinese cannot just barge in and claim all the land they want. Andyan kaya ang US who preaches democracy and is willing to aid any underdog free-loving nation.

sa mata ng US, sige produce kayo ng cheap goods for us. go source it out if you like but don't take at the expense of any other nation.

and that's why, wait for iiiit ... The US will always have the final say.

[uls]

the greatness of every nation or its citizen can be seen with what America has showed to the world after the 2008 global financial meltdown. IF this happens to China, ano kaya ang mangyayari?

you call that greatness? if they're so great the 2008 financial crisis wouldnt have happened. bigtime kapalpakan yan

lots of people saw it coming but the USG and Fed didnt do anything

they're reactive. not proactive. hanggang ngayon the Fed is still fighting to keep deflation from coming back

[falken]

Well I don't care if they(China) are economically wealthy, oldest civilization, powerful military, etc as long as their military forces are massing near our country's border taking or conquering whatever islands they want, I will still support my country even its armed forces are still using WW2 vintage equipments.

Nakahanda na ba ang bayong mo? :D

Haha, makapili.

[uls]

let's take for example, Japan. Japan offered cheap goods in the 70's and 80's but the Japanese knew they couldn't do it forever bec. Japan is just but a small island nation. kaya yan ang Japanese products ngaun, 10 - 20 times more expensive than China. and I believe South Korea is going on the same path.

obviously di mo alam baket mura ang Japan goods noong 1970s at baket mahal ngayon

your attempt at explaining it is really pathetic

eto explanation doon



and do you know why the yen appreciated (dollar depreciated) sharply in 1985?

[uls]

OB yung mga explanation mo puro galing sa imagination