China, Philippines locked in naval standoff

[Monseratto]

sabi mo people loves winners and laughs at losers. sabi mo din pro-Pnoy ka. but your stand is not to fight and let em take Scarborough kasi wala naman tayo magagawa. eh di loser tayo. is there any other grayer definition about what u said?

we are taunted by war, we are defenseless and yet your stand is to ridicule / blame / compare. I know the shortcomings of my country and I know that it just so happens that I live in this age wherein we have no boats/ships/planes to defend ourselves, but when my country is threatened, I act accordingly. a true nationalist / patriot is one who loves his own country kahit sobrang sya na yun having a face only a mother can love.

it's not like you can ignore scarborough and hand it to them tapos you go back to your peaceful life. pano mo naiisip na ganun? kala ko ba kayo ni *uls ang proponents ng greed and the world is for the taking dito sa tsikot, like what happens in the financial market. is this case no different? or you think it's the problem of the next generation if and when if China decides to take each of our island in 5 or 10 years interval.

Una, how can we can say Scaborough is ours when no one else recognizes it in the first place. Planting a flag doesn't work anymore. Can you name another country recognizing that the Philippines owns Scarborough Shoal? Nung panahon na nga ni Marcos, nobody knows what Scorobough Shoals is.

Second, if you want something, you better have a big stick back it up. Kasalanan ba ng China na walang mapakita tayo.

Huwag kang magkalat na may invasion fleet at mag guerilla warfare. That is as real as hell is under Siberia.

[Syuryuken]

sabi mo people loves winners and laughs at losers. sabi mo din pro-Pnoy ka. but your stand is not to fight and let em take Scarborough kasi wala naman tayo magagawa. eh di loser tayo. is there any other grayer definition about what u said?

we are taunted by war, we are defenseless and yet your stand is to ridicule / blame / compare. I know the shortcomings of my country and I know that it just so happens that I live in this age wherein we have no boats/ships/planes to defend ourselves, but when my country is threatened, I act accordingly. a true nationalist / patriot is one who loves his own country kahit sobrang sya na yun having a face only a mother can love.

it's not like you can ignore scarborough and hand it to them tapos you go back to your peaceful life. pano mo naiisip na ganun? kala ko ba kayo ni *uls ang proponents ng greed and the world is for the taking dito sa tsikot, like what happens in the financial market. is this case no different? or you think it's the problem of the next generation if and when if China decides to take each of our island in 5 or 10 years interval.

hindi na uso yung kasabihang "MALIIT LANG ANG NAKAKAPUWING"

Una, how can we can say Scaborough is ours when no one else recognizes it in the first place. Planting a flag doesn't work anymore. Can you name another country recognizing that the Philippines owns Scarborough Shoal?

Kay OB pwede na kahit ihian lang yung isang lugar teritoryo na niya

[pop3corn]

Una, how can we can say Scaborough is ours when no one else recognizes it in the first place. Planting a flag doesn't work anymore. Can you name another country recognizing that the Philippines owns Scarborough Shoal? Nung panahon na nga ni Marcos, nobody knows what Scorobough Shoals is.

Second, if you want something, you better have a big stick back it up. Kasalanan ba ng China na walang mapakita tayo.

Huwag kang magkalat na may invasion fleet at mag guerilla warfare. That is as real as hell is under Siberia.

Shoal is within 200km Phil. nautical miles. that's the argument. I don't care about resources there, even if they suck it dry. what I care about is China within our sovereignty.

tama nga yan parang generals, Starcraft Warcraft yan

[flickerstick]

Nung panahon na nga ni Marcos, nobody knows what Scorobough Shoals is.

I disagree on this, ang government natin and the Philippine Army / Navy, plus civilians knows that place during / before pa ng time ni Marcos.

[hein]

P#*%NA Poster pa lang Fail na.

Hindi pa nagsimula yung laban, may Friendly Fire na

[oliver1013]

E kanino nga ba yang scarborough na yan? Kung di atin yan eh di sa china nga.antatapang naman natin para mang agaw ng pagaari ng masmalaki at mas malakas. Paki linaw ng yan.

[Syuryuken]

E kanino nga ba yang scarborough na yan? Kung di atin yan eh di sa china nga.antatapang naman natin para mang agaw ng pagaari ng masmalaki at mas malakas. Paki linaw ng yan.

Kay OB nga naihian na niya kaya teritoryo nya daw yun

[Gumusut_Amige]

Kay OB nga naihian na niya kaya teritoryo nya daw yun

bru syur... eh paano kung naihian na rin ng "great dane"?

[chua_riwap]

i salute you OB!
matapang ka pala.......

[Syuryuken]

Sruyuken pwede natin paghatian sa nga tulad nyo mga hapon

Ikaw na lang matapang ka naman.

bru syur... eh paano kung naihian na rin ng "great dane"?

Kung sino ang latest kanya na

i salute you OB!
matapang ka pala.......

Si OB atapang a tao puro wento wala wenta

[pop3corn]

Sruyuken pwede natin paghatian sa nga tulad nyo mga hapon

[Monseratto]

The "enemy's" POV... Ayan OB, ito ang tingin nila sa UNCLOS perpective sa claim nila.

Philippine claim groundless

Publication Date : 14-05-2012

China has sovereignty over Huangyan Island and jurisdiction rights over its adjacent waters, which are a traditional fishing ground for Chinese fishermen. China was the first to name Huangyan Island and incorporate it into its territory and exercise jurisdiction over it. Huangyan Island was first discovered by China in the Yuan Dynasty (1271-1368). In 1279, Huangyan Island was included in survey of the seas around China conducted by Guo Shoujing for Kublai Khan. Since its discovery, Huangyan Island has been incorporated into Chinese territory as part of the Zhongsha Islands. Since 1949, Huangyan Island has been under the administration of first Guangdong Province and then Hainan Province.

Discovery, consistent administration, historical fishing rights are all recognised as valid in international law to support territorial claims.

The Philippines never claimed Huangyan Island until 1997. Instead, its officials have repeatedly stated that the island was not Philippine territory. Philippine maps published in 1981 and 1984 do not include Huangyan Island as Philippine territory.

The Philippines has made three arguments for its claim at different times. Its earliest argument was that Huangyan Island was closer to the Philippines than to China. But geographic proximity has long been dismissed in international law and practice as a principle for ownership. The Philippines also argues that it 'inherited' the sovereignty and jurisdiction over Huangyan Island from the US, which controlled the island in the 1950s and used it as a target range for military exercises. This argument is also invalid in international law as the US' control infringed on China's sovereignty over the island. The latest argument is that Huangyan Island is located within the Philippine Exclusive Economic Zone. This is a false interpretation of the UN Convention on the Law Of the Sea. The basic principle of the law of the sea is 'the land dominates the sea', meaning it is the territorial sovereignty of coastal states that generates their sovereign rights and jurisdiction in an Exclusive Economic Zone and over the continental shelf. The fact that Huangyan Island is within 200 nautical miles of the Philippine coastline does not naturally give the Philippines sovereignty over it or make it part of its territory.

The Convention on the Law Of the Sea allows coastal states to claim a 200 nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone, but does not grant them the right to undermine the inherent territory and sovereignty of other countries. The Convention on the Law Of the Sea should not be used as an excuse by any states to infringe on the territorial sovereignty of other states.

The Philippines' claim to Huangyan Island also runs counter to its own legislation as well as historical fact and legal principles.

Philippine territory is set by a series of international treaties, including the Treaty of Paris between the United States and Spain in 1898, the Treaty of Washington between the United States and Spain in 1900 and the Treaty between United States and Great Britain in 1930. All of them state clearly that the western limit of the Philippine territory is 118 degrees east longitude - Huangyan Island is outside this limit. The legal effects of these three treaties have been re-affirmed by several official documents, such as the 1935 Philippine Constitution, the 1951 US-Philippine Mutual Defence Treaty and some acts of the Philippine republic.

China has never changed its stance of seeking to resolve the dispute through peaceful diplomatic channels. China attaches great importance to maintaining friendly and good-neighbourly ties with Southeast Asian countries. It upholds the stance of resolving the South China Sea issue through peaceful means directly between claimant parties.

However, the lack of mutual trust has caused misinterpretation of China's intentions and actions in the South China Sea, and the dispute has also served as a stepping stone for powers outside the region to interfere.

The author is president of National Institute for South China Sea Studies. Source: chinausfocus.com

[Syuryuken]

Anong masasabi mo OB sa post ni pareng monseratto?

[chua_riwap]

Anong masasabi mo OB sa post ni pareng monseratto?

lusob!

[baludoy]

taiwanese made vid re: the stand-off at panatag shoal.




Philippines, China in South China Sea standoff - YouTube

pati si pacquaio nasama pa

[Monseratto]

Mag commando-raid si OB kasama yung elite pooh-throwing squatters...

[pop3corn]

China imposes fishing ban in South China Sea - The Philippine Star » News » Headlines

China wants all fishermen out of China sea - eh di lumabas din. they want the entire sea for themselves. and they are extending their "empire" sa boundaries ng scarborough and maybe later on, spratlys.

*monseratto, China can claim the Americas if they like bec. they were first there than Columbus but they won't coz China is never a conqueror. ang gusto nya iba ang magtayo ng gobyerno tapos business business lang, like the traders that they are

and now here it is, imagine if they they have total control of the entire middle sea that boundaries ASEAN. tsk tsk, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Phils. Malaysia, will have to pay fishing permits to China. and what about trade ships plying the route, ganun din. all the things we're gonna buy in the future, may patong na yan.

[Syuryuken]

China imposes fishing ban in South China Sea - The Philippine Star » News » Headlines

China wants all fishermen out of China sea - eh di lumabas din. they want the entire sea for themselves. and they are extending their "empire" sa boundaries ng scarborough and maybe later on, spratlys.

*monseratto, China can claim the Americas if they like bec. they were first there than Columbus but they won't coz China is never a conqueror. ang gusto nya iba ang magtayo ng gobyerno tapos business business lang, like the traders that they are

and now here it is, imagine if they they have total control of the entire middle sea that boundaries ASEAN. tsk tsk, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Phils. Malaysia, will have to pay fishing permits to China. and what about trade ships plying the route, ganun din. all the things we're gonna buy in the future, may patong na yan.

INM ka ano?

[Altis6453]

Not a good move by China. Their unilateral declaration will result in shutting off that part of the South China Sea or West Philippine Sea from freedom of navigation and commerce, including fishing and the search for natural resources. This is provocative anyway you look at it.

[Monseratto]

It's a commercial fishing ban.

China will impose a routine fishing ban in northern parts of the South China Sea, including the waters around Huangyan Island, for two and a half months beginning on May 16, authorities announced Monday.

Last January when China announced that the ban would be imposed, Vietnam, which claims part of the Spratlys and Paracel Islands, protested.

Vietnamese fishermen have defied similar bans in the past three years. Scores were arrested and their boats impounded by Chinese authorities.

A Xinhua report said the ban “means no fishing will be allowed except for mono-layer gillnets, and hook and line fishing.”

China will confiscate boats, fish catch and fishing gear of violators. Chinese fishermen will face fines and their licenses will be suspended.

Imposed annually since 1999, the ban is aimed at protecting fishery resources in the South China Sea. Since 2009, it has been imposed starting on May 16 and ending August 1.