CBCP planning nationwide protest vs constituent assembly

[oldblue]

hindi kasi puwede yun, "ops! tigil muna tayo sa pagpapaplano sa takbo ng gobyerno at nasalanta ang mga taga-Albay". hindi din puwede yun "teka muna kung anu-ano pinagiisip ng mga tongressman, andami pa naghihirap ngaun". o kaya naman "mali ang timing eh, resolbahan muna yun accusation kay Madam na nandaya"

that's not how a govt. works.

kailangan continuous ang serbisyo to all sectors of society.

[tsupermario]

hindi kasi puwede yun, "ops! tigil muna tayo sa pagpapaplano sa takbo ng gobyerno at nasalanta ang mga taga-Albay". hindi din puwede yun "teka muna kung anu-ano pinagiisip ng mga tongressman, andami pa naghihirap ngaun". o kaya naman "mali ang timing eh, resolbahan muna yun accusation kay Madam na nandaya"

that's not how a govt. works.

kailangan continuous ang serbisyo to all sectors of society.

that's where his priorities come in. i wonder what those are..

[Zeus]

Pati grupo ni Mike Velarde magpreprayer rally na rin, ano kaya ang position ni former pres. Ramos ngayon?

[swimstroke]

Ang alam ko may separation of church and state... Dapat gumanti yung kabila, lagyan ng tax ang simbahan.

Dadaan pa naman sa Senate iyan diba? Marami bang kakampi si Gloria dun?

[bat_zignal]

Great! Bagsak na naman ekonomiya ng 'Pinas!

[C190]

Great! Bagsak na naman ekonomiya ng 'Pinas!

Sobra na pulitika sa atin

[Puchok]

Makasingit at makapagtanong na nga po mga tsikoters.

Pag Parliamentary Form of Government ba paano system?

Medyo nalilito ako sa type of government na ito eh.

Thanks!

[Zeus]

Inquirer Headline Today

It's all-out war against constituent assembly

On Dec. 15, all roads lead to Rizal Park
By Carla Gomez, Nestor P. Burgos Jr., Christian V. Esguerra
Inquirer
Last updated 00:18am (Mla time) 12/08/2006

Published on Page A1 of the December 8, 2006 issue of the Philippine Daily Inquirer
THE CATHOLIC Church is organizing a massive prayer rally on Dec. 15 against the House of Representatives' move to amend the Constitution by convening itself into a constituent assembly (Con-ass).
Part of the Church's plan is to fill up Rizal Park in Manila which, in rallies past, had held up to around one million people.
A Protestant umbrella group, the National Council of Churches in the Philippines, is joining the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines and the charismatic Catholic group El Shaddai in opposing the Malacañang-backed move in the House.
Other groups and individuals such as labor and peasant organizations and President Joseph Estrada are calling on their forces to oppose Con-ass.
Jaro Archbishop Angel Lagdameo, president of the CBCP, issued on Wednesday a strongly worded statement describing the House effort as "fraudulently illegal and scandalously immoral."
The CBCP yesterday said simultaneous prayer rallies would be held in all dioceses around the country, according to Msgr. Pedro Quitorio, conference spokesperson.
The country has 86 dioceses, including the military ordinariate, the Church unit for soldiers and policemen headed by Bishop Leopoldo Tumulak.
"There is a need to respond more collectively to the present crisis produced by the prospect of Charter change (Cha-cha) by administration congressmen desperately bent on creating themselves into a constituent assembly," Lagdameo said in the statement titled "Watch and Pray: Magmalasakit Para sa Bayan."
He called on people to be vigilant, saying the temptation to manipulate and to hold on to power endangers the common good and the safety of the greatest number.
Rosales' blessing
Quitorio said the prayer rally had the blessing of Gaudencio Cardinal Rosales, archbishop of the powerful Metropolitan See of Manila.
The low-key cardinal is known to shy away from politics, preferring instead to focus quietly on poverty alleviation and values formation programs in his archdiocese.
Rosales is expected to join other Metro Manila bishops at Rizal Park for the big anti-Charter change prayer rally, according to Quitorio. The other prelates are Bishops Deogracias Iñiguez of Caloocan, Antonio Tobias of Novaliches, Honesto Ongtioco of Cubao, Jesse Mercado of Parañaque and Francisco San Diego of Pasig.
Quitorio said the rally was the bishops' reaction to developments in the House, particularly the adoption of the majority bloc's resolution convening Congress into a constituent assembly.
No more morals
"We are alarmed with what's happening at the lower house," he told the Inquirer. "There are no more morals, no more rules. The rule is what suits administration congressmen."
Quitorio said the CBCP was particularly dismayed that supporters of President Macapagal-Arroyo seemed more preoccupied with their political interest in Manila while thousands of Filipinos were dying and starving in Bicol in the aftermath of Typhoon "Reming."
He said it was unwise for the Arroyo administration and its allies in the House to push for Con-ass with apparent haste and questionable motives. "They're just instigating the people," he said.
Senate President Manuel Villar Jr. confirmed last night that he met with El Shaddai leader Bro. Mariano "Mike" Velarde early in the day in a bid to forge an alliance against the House-only Con-ass.
"I've been going around conferring with groups opposed to Con-ass to apprise them of the Senate position, as well as to get their position," he said.
The Senate invited Velarde, who earlier told the Inquirer that he would block the legally flawed House Con-ass, to a hearing set for Monday on the proposals to amend the Constitution.
The Union of Local Authorities of the Philippines, which pushed for the dismissed people's initiative to amend the Charter, sought a breakfast meeting with Villar today in a bid to broker a dialogue between the Senate and House on Charter change.
Nat'l Council of Churches
In a statement, the NCCP said it was joining "the CBCP and other sectors of society in their efforts to thwart this deceptive machination to tinker with the Constitution."
The NCCP said it was not against Charter change per se. "Amendments are necessary in order for the Charter to ensure the welfare of the citizens. No doubt, the present Constitution stands in need of substantial improvement, but definitely not at this time and certainly not for the wrong reasons," it said.
In Tanay, Rizal, where he is detained, Estrada urged Filipinos to go out into the streets and protest Con-ass.
"With every breath I have, I will fight this unconscionable rape of our Constitution and the murder of our democracy and freedoms," Estrada said in a statement.
He deplored the move of the House majority to convene a Con-ass without the cooperation of the Senate.
"As in 2001 when (President Macapagal-Arroyo) mounted a coup d'etat in January to depose [me], the Constitution was treated as a dirty rag. There was no respect shown for the Constitution and democracy, with the sacred document and covenant with the Filipino people trampled by the coup plotters," he said.
Estrada, despite five years in detention, remains the acknowledged leader of the United Opposition.
In May 2001, Estrada's arrest and detention caused thousands of his loyalists to come out into the streets and picket the Edsa Shrine in what would be called Edsa III.
Davao businessmen
In Davao City, businessmen are opposing Con-ass as a means of introducing amendments to the Constitution, an official of the Davao City Chamber of Commerce and Industry Inc. (DCCCII) said.
DCCCII has about 386 members and is considered one of the country's influential business groups.
But lawyer Bienvenido Cariaga, DCCCII president, clarified the chamber was not against the moves to amend the Constitution. He said the chamber would prefer a constitutional convention (Con-con) as a way of introducing changes in the Charter to prevent politicians from inserting provisions that would serve their interests.
He said during the chamber's general assembly on Dec. 2, at least 55 members stood up for Con-con while only two voted in favor of Con-ass. Cariaga said on Tuesday the chamber distributed survey forms and found out that 99 percent of those who answered were against Con-ass.
He said businessmen fear that the Con-ass would become a venue for politicians to introduce changes that would only further their personal agenda.
Widespread protests
Militant groups are also gearing for widespread protest actions.
The Kilusang Magbubukid ng Pilipinas (KMP) said it would mobilize its 1.5 million members to launch protest actions against Con-ass.
"We should also join our forces with that of the Church and the El Shaddai as well as other forces genuinely against Charter change and have the people's interest at heart," said KMP secretary general Danilo Ramos in an e-mailed statement.
The Kilusang Mayo Uno, Partido Manggagawa and Sanlakas said they were planning mass actions in Metro Manila and elsewhere against Con-ass.
"If they think the people would accept hook, line and sinker the Cha-cha they're cooking, they're mistaken," said KMU chair Elmer Labog.
Labog said that once the Constitution was opened to amendments or revisions, basic labor rights such as the eight-hour daily work, prohibition on contractual jobs and freedom to form unions might be removed.
Noise barrage
Members of Partido Manggagawa and allies Sanlakas and Bukluran ng Manggagawang Pilipino held a noise barrage at noon yesterday against Con-ass at Mabuhay Rotunda in Quezon City, along Edsa at the corners of North and Timog Avenues, Malinta interchange in Valenzuela City and SM Fairview.
Today, the Ilonggos' Movement Against Arroyo's Charter Change (I March) and Bagong Alyansang Mabayan in Panay will kick off their protest actions in Iloilo City.
In Ormoc City, Msgr. Bernardo Pantin, parish priest of the Saints Peter and Paul, called on the faithful to raise a collective voice to stop the "Cha-cha" train.With reports from Juliet Labog-Javellana, Norman Bordadora and Jerome Aning in Manila; Joey Gabieta, Inquirer Visayas; Rizalene Acac and Julie Alipala, Inquirer Mindanao

[Zeus]

Ang alam ko may separation of church and state... Dapat gumanti yung kabila, lagyan ng tax ang simbahan.

Dadaan pa naman sa Senate iyan diba? Marami bang kakampi si Gloria dun?

Kung Catholic ka, sila daw ang sheperds e, nakita nila, n pati ako napansin ko sila sila(mga house majority) na lang ang nagluluto e at ang pagkaintindi ko kasama lang sa head count kung tutol o pabor sa cha-cha ang mga senador, hindi separate voting chamber Halos lahat ng senador (mga 22 yata) tutol sa cha-cha na gusto ng house majority

[oldblue]

expected naman tutol ang senate, sila tatanggalin eh hahaha

kitang-kita mo talaga loyalty ng mga 'to. kahit pro-admin, basta tatanggalin sila galit!

[Zeus]

expected naman tutol ang senate, sila tatanggalin eh hahaha

kitang-kita mo talaga loyalty ng mga 'to. kahit pro-admin, basta tatanggalin sila galit!

may puntos ka rin dito

[nerbyoso]

dapat itigil ng simbahan ang kahibangan nila...ang intindihin nila yung kaluluwa ng kanilang mga kawan...yung kabaklaan sa hanay nila...pagpapalaganap ng salita ng dios dun sa mga di pa nakakarinig..dun sa lugar ng ng mga iskwater, holdapers at snatchers..paglingap sa mahihirap..pagpapaalala sa mga tulisang negosyante...mag sermon sila ng gusto nila but they should refrain from meddling with politics... and stop these organized moves na para sila silang political party..funyet* sila parang gusto rin nilang magka pork barrel ah.

kasaysayan na yan ng mundo na pag nagumpisa ng makiaalam ang simbahan sa gobyerno malamang sa kanal ang bagsak ng bayan...muslims, christians, budhist etc. ano mang relihiyon should keep out.

[Galactus]

expected naman tutol ang senate, sila tatanggalin eh hahaha

kitang-kita mo talaga loyalty ng mga 'to. kahit pro-admin, basta tatanggalin sila galit!

This is beside the point. The thing is, the House is arm-twisting the Senate to join them, even giving an ultimatum. Or else, they'll do it without them. Eh co-equal body sila. Senators are elected at large, samantalang congressmen, per district. Garapalan talaga. Sinusunog na kaluluwa nila sa impyerno!

[boybi]

Dadaan pa naman sa Senate iyan diba? Marami bang kakampi si Gloria dun?

hehe, wala ng kwenta ang senate dito. inammend na kasi ng congress ang rules. ginawang 'voting as a whole' na ang 2 houses, instead of 'voting separately'.

[Flagg]

Do not be fooled by muddled interpretations of the term: "The separation of Church and State."

The true meaning is also the simplest and most literal: that neither entity can use the other to advance its agenda.

Thus, the concept of 'separation' does not prohibit the clergy from exercising what they view as their right and duty as citizens.

If there is an opinion that acting as one religious group is wrong... Kindly consider that it is common sense that a group of people acting as one body through religion is no different from a group of people acting as one body through ideology.

[jonski]

Hindi ako pro gloria pero pro Cha Cha ako

[metatron]

Do not be fooled by muddled interpretations of the term: "The separation of Church and State."

The true meaning is also the simplest and most literal: that neither entity can use the other to advance its agenda.

Thus, the concept of 'separation' does not prohibit the clergy from exercising what they view as their right and duty as citizens.

If there is an opinion that acting as one religious group is wrong... Kindly consider that it is common sense that a group of people acting as one body through religion is no different from a group of people acting as one body through ideology.

I agree with this one. the separation of church and state simply attempts to prevent the encroachment of party/group ideologies from the composition and implementation government law (like in the days of the spanish rule). unfortunately/fortunately leaders of the faith can always "influence" government decisions.

the cbcp has lost all its moral mandate in my book. ever since they decided it was ok for gloria to have cheated in the 2004 elections since everyone else was doing it anyway and when the bishops received "thanks, nice doing business with you" money envelopes after they voted not to support the recent impeachment proceedings against gloria.

its good to see that the cbcp has finally opened their eyes to what gloria has been trying to do to this country for the longest time. but i'd rather support protests without the cbcp at the helm.


:::for those who are planning to attend the rally please do so. don't let the mutterings of a cbcp cynic prevent you from expressing your constitutional right.:::

[oneng]

hehe, wala ng kwenta ang senate dito. inammend na kasi ng congress ang rules. ginawang 'voting as a whole' na ang 2 houses, instead of 'voting separately'.

[SIZE=2]from what i seen in the past few years any moved to removed the present senate, in my opinion is worth considering.ibigay na lang sana nila sa mga kababayan natin sa bicol at sa mga sundalo nating walang mga maayos na kagamitan ang kanilang pork barrel.lahat naman ng ginagawa nila ay puro in aid of there ambition eh.
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