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    CBCP planning nationwide protests vs constituent assembly

    Militants gearing up for rallies, too
    By Thea Alberto, Christian V. Esguerra
    INQ7.net, Inquirer
    Last updated 03:23pm (Mla time) 12/07/2006


    (UPDATE) The country's influential Roman Catholic bishops are putting up a united front against the administration-controlled House of Representatives' effort to amend the 1987Constitution by convening itself as constituent assembly.
    The Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) announced Thursday that it was organizing a massive prayer rally against the Con-ass around the country on December 15.
    Militant organizations also announced nationwide protests against administration-backed efforts to convene a constituent assembly, with Bagong Alyansang Makabayan (New Patriotic Alliance or Bayan) secretary general Renato Reyes saying: “"Next week, we will show them our numbers -- in the streets.”
    After a night of debates, the House through voice voting approved Resolution 1450, calling on Congress to convene and propose amendments to or revision of the Constitution upon a three-fourths vote of all its members.
    Monsignor Pedro Quitorio, CBCP spokesperson, said the December 15 rally was the bishops' reaction to the developments at the lower house.
    "We are alarmed with what's happening at the lower house," he told the Inquirer. "There are no more morals, no more rules. The rule is what suits administration congressmen."
    Quitorio said the CBCP was particularly dismayed that supporters of President Macapagal-Arroyo seemed more preoccupied with their political interest in Manila while thousands of Filipinos were dying and starving in Bicol in the aftermath of Typhoon Reming.
    "This should be the time to help others, but they are just helping themselves," he lamented. "There is so much suffering in Bicol, yet all they do is to take care of their personal interests."
    Quitorio said the CBCP was planning simultaneous prayer rallies in all dioceses around the country. There are 86 dioceses, including the military ordinariate, the church unit for soldiers and policemen headed by Bishop Leopoldo Tumulak.
    The CBCP spokesman said the effort had the blessing of Gaudencio Cardinal Rosales, archbishop of the powerful Metropolitan See of Manila. The low-key, soft-spoken cardinal is known to shy away from politics, preferring instead to focus quietly on poverty alleviation and values formation programs in his archdiocese.
    On December 15, Rosales was expected to join other Metro Manila bishops at the Luneta for the big, anti-Charter change prayer rally, according to Quitorio.
    The other Metro Manila prelates are Bishops Deogracias Iñiguez of Caloocan, Antonio Tobias of Novaliches, Honesto Ongtioco of Cubao, Jesse Mercado of Parañaque, and Francisco San Diego of Pasig.
    Quitorio said the plan was to fill Luneta, which, in previous rallies, had accommodated around one million people. Colleges students from Catholic schools would be invited to the event, he said.
    Archbishop Angel Lagdameo, CBCP president, was expected to lead a simultaneous prayer rally in his diocese in Jaro, Iloilo, Quitorio said.
    Quitorio said it was unwise for the Arroyo administration and its allies in the lower house to push for Con-ass with apparent haste and questionable motives.
    "They're just instigating the people," he said.
    Lagdameo on Wednesday issued a strongly worded statement, describing the effort as "fraudulently illegal and scandalously immoral."
    Reyes said protest rallies against Charter change will rock the Batasang Pambansa complex in Quezon City where the House holds office and at the ASEAN Summit in Cebu City beginning Monday.
    "We call on the people to stand up and oppose the patently illegal moves to perpetuate Arroyo and her allies in power. We look forward to working with the broad anti-Chacha [Charter change] opposition to drive the last nails on the coffin of this administration initiative,” said Reyes.
    “We guarantee that the Batasang Pambansa will be swamped with anti-Cha-cha protests once the Majority attempts to convene itself into an illegal con-ass [constituent assembly],” he said.
    He added that a “special welcome” was being readied for Speaker Jose de Venecia when he attends the ASEAN Summit.
    “The whole world will see how the sham democracy operates in this country. The Arroyo-De Venecia Express will surely bring shame to the Philippines,” Reyes warned.
    Reyes also urged the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) to call for local or parish meetings to muster people support against Charter change.
    “All groups and individuals will now have to make a stand, whether they are for or against the con-ass. The administration has polarized the country yet again. And this time, the results will not be in favor of the Arroyo regime,” Reyes said.
    “We will once and for all stop in its tracks the illegal runaway cha-cha train,” said Reyes.

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    i really dunno other's opinion on this. although i am anti-chacha, i still think that the separation between church and state should still be observed. dapat hindi nakikielam ang simbahan sa matters ng state, so that, they should not influence most of the filipinos in affecting state matters.

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    in my views hindi naman ito pakiki alam sa estado o gobyerno kundi laban against evil and immorality.

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    Kung hindi man sa CBCP, we should join some other indignation rally.

    it's not about CHACHA, it's about how congress and the house of gloria is going about it. shameful behavior. and the best reason why our country is not ready for a parliamentary form of government yet. can't trust the politicians to do the right thing.

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    I don't know kung meron pa rin mag defend kay GMA and her allies dito sa board, kung meron man siguro relatives nila si GMA, sobrang kapal na!!!!

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    Palakasan na lang pala ng boses ngayon. Ok talaga tong mga kapit tuko sa congress.

    I'm not a fan of the opposition, but at the rate we are going mukhang ginagago na lang tayo ng administration.

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    pinoys have been craving for change in a system. eto na pinakadrastic na walang mamamatay, why not give the benefit of the doubt

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldblue View Post
    pinoys have been craving for change in a system. eto na pinakadrastic na walang mamamatay, why not give the benefit of the doubt

    bro, it's not about the system, whatever system it is, if the same people are running it, wala pa rin mangyayari,

    kung nagawa ng admin congressmen ang railroading ng changing ng rules with our systen now, ano pang mas kaya nilang gawin kung parliamentary system na tayo, and beside yun ginagawa nila ngayon is the exact thing kung bakit hinde tayo pwede maging parliamentary...

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    Quote Originally Posted by April_Ryan View Post
    it's not about CHACHA, it's about how congress and the house of gloria is going about it. shameful behavior. and the best reason why our country is not ready for a parliamentary form of government yet. can't trust the politicians to do the right thing.
    congressmen are just out to prolong their stay in office

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    like i said hindi pa nagsisimula. anyway, we can always pull the plug kahit sa kalagitnaan o malapit na matapos ang assembly. andyan naman people power eh

    it's an assembly. pag-aaralan pa lang po muna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldblue View Post
    like i said hindi pa nagsisimula. anyway, we can always pull the plug kahit sa kalagitnaan o malapit na matapos ang assembly. andyan naman people power eh

    it's an assembly. pag-aaralan pa lang po muna.

    the problem with con-ass is sila-sila ang gagawa ng changes, changes which obviously will benefit them, i.e. no term limit, extended yun mga last termer, no election next year yan nga ang firtst thing na hinde pwede sa congress eh, making laws na will directly benefit them,

    don't get me wrong, I'm for changes in our constitution, to keep up with the time, maraming provision na dapat ng palitan or i-update, the problem is mali ang gusto nilang gawin form and mali ang timing nila

    bakit ayaw nila mag con-con? kasi tao ang pipili ng mga delegates and represented lahat ng sectors...siguro hinde sila makaklusot sa mga gagawin nilang kalokohan sa constituion...

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    well its their right to protest for as long as they dont "force" its followers to join in. Ive often been open minded about these sort of events, and for as long as everything is legal, (to the letter of the law ika nga) then we have no choice but to see where it goes. I believe that majority of Filipinos would know wheter the provisions that these lawmakers would be for their own vested interest or for the greater good, until then i think we should put on hold all this protesting which no one would pay attention to anyway. The CBCP should first tend to its flock before setting its sights on something else. They should just put into better use of their time by just looking for ways to help those in Bicol rather than standing in the streets all day being unproductive... I know someone who changed religion just because the church has been dipping its hands too much in politics, he felt that his spiritual needs are not being given adequate attnetion, considering active sa simbahan dati yun, choir member pa.

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    then it's should be the same with these lawmakers, they shouyld first help those affected by the typhoon in bicol rather than waste their time in this vested interest action of theirs,

    look at cong villafuerte, he's the cong. of bicol or albay, his constituent are all dying and yet he's leading the proponents in congress regarding this matter...

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    hindi kasi puwede yun, "ops! tigil muna tayo sa pagpapaplano sa takbo ng gobyerno at nasalanta ang mga taga-Albay". hindi din puwede yun "teka muna kung anu-ano pinagiisip ng mga tongressman, andami pa naghihirap ngaun". o kaya naman "mali ang timing eh, resolbahan muna yun accusation kay Madam na nandaya"

    that's not how a govt. works.

    kailangan continuous ang serbisyo to all sectors of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldblue View Post
    hindi kasi puwede yun, "ops! tigil muna tayo sa pagpapaplano sa takbo ng gobyerno at nasalanta ang mga taga-Albay". hindi din puwede yun "teka muna kung anu-ano pinagiisip ng mga tongressman, andami pa naghihirap ngaun". o kaya naman "mali ang timing eh, resolbahan muna yun accusation kay Madam na nandaya"

    that's not how a govt. works.

    kailangan continuous ang serbisyo to all sectors of society.
    that's where his priorities come in. i wonder what those are..

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    Pati grupo ni Mike Velarde magpreprayer rally na rin, ano kaya ang position ni former pres. Ramos ngayon?

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    Ang alam ko may separation of church and state... Dapat gumanti yung kabila, lagyan ng tax ang simbahan.

    Dadaan pa naman sa Senate iyan diba? Marami bang kakampi si Gloria dun?

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    Great! Bagsak na naman ekonomiya ng 'Pinas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swimstroke View Post
    Ang alam ko may separation of church and state... Dapat gumanti yung kabila, lagyan ng tax ang simbahan.

    Dadaan pa naman sa Senate iyan diba? Marami bang kakampi si Gloria dun?
    Kung Catholic ka, sila daw ang sheperds e, nakita nila, n pati ako napansin ko sila sila(mga house majority) na lang ang nagluluto e at ang pagkaintindi ko kasama lang sa head count kung tutol o pabor sa cha-cha ang mga senador, hindi separate voting chamber Halos lahat ng senador (mga 22 yata) tutol sa cha-cha na gusto ng house majority

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    expected naman tutol ang senate, sila tatanggalin eh hahaha

    kitang-kita mo talaga loyalty ng mga 'to. kahit pro-admin, basta tatanggalin sila galit!

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