BIRD FLU: H5N1 virus [MERGED]

[konde]

hindi aabot ang bird flue dito sa pinas. bakit?

eto ang aking SCIENTIFIC theory:

dahil mga migratory birds ang may bird flue, sa layo, init at polusyon dito sa pilipinas, either di sila umabot dito ng paglipad or iwasan na lang tayo. isipin nyo: pag tayong mga tao ang may flue, makakapaglakad/takbo ba tayo ng malayo? pupunta at magpapahinga ba tayo sa mainit at mausok na lugar?

[theveed]

A friend of mine who owns a large scale chicken farm locally told us na dati pa may bird flu dito, di lang kinakalat balita, yung farm ng katabi nila lost more than 100 chickens a day last year pero di binalita...

Impossible daw wala pa dito.

[BlueBimmer]

A friend of mine who owns a large scale chicken farm locally told us na dati pa may bird flu dito, di lang kinakalat balita, yung farm ng katabi nila lost more than 100 chickens a day last year pero di binalita...

Impossible daw wala pa dito.

[oldblue]

kaya pala la gano kumakain sa KFC, Kenny Rogers, chicken Inasal and other chicken-themed restos ngaun

[yebo]

"well to give credit to our government..." OWS! talaga? ask ko lang, meron ba contingency measures in place ang phil govt in case it breaks out? sagot: wala. the fact that there has been no bird flu in humans in the philippines yet is due to pure luck, not because of what the government has done or is doing.

chicken farmers in the philippines have known for a long time that to avoid bird flu infesting their flocks (yes, bird flu has come and gone many times to the philippines before, my father used to have a chicken farm) is to keep their chickens quarantined from the outside - no birds, wild or tame, must get near their chicken houses. tinatakpan ng husto yung poultry, binabalot ng plastic or at least old feed sacks so that hindi makakalapit yung birds like maya, sparrows and other chickens. kami nga nuon naglalagay pa kami ng lason para pag may lumapit na ibon o manok na gala yung lason ang kakainin nila. and my father even set up scare crows to frighten birds away when there is an ongoing "peste". nowadays philippine poultry farmers have well built chicken houses, di na napapasok ng ibon so the chances of migratory birds spreading H5N1 is remote. yun nga sa robina farms airconditioned pa e. sa magnolia/san miguel puro contract farming na, built to strict plans ang mga chicken houses so malayo sa "peste".

bird flu is transfered by bird/poultry droppings. the droppings containing the virus dry out and then blows in the wind and gets mixed with the chicken feed, and that gets eaten by healthy birds. humans get infected in the same way. note that almost all victims of H5N1 were poultry workers. that is because they inhale the dried chicken droppings while working in the poultry. or chicken droppings get on the chicken feathers and get airborne when the chickens flap their wings. or while handling eggs that have chicken feces on and then inadvertently ingesting the droppings when they touch their mouth or eat without washing hands.

my 2 tips to you, 1 - buy dressed chicken, don't buy live ones. 2 - wash chicken/quail eggs before putting them in the fridge with gloved hands and wear a mask when doing so. especially if you see chicken feces on the eggs.

OT: speaking of migratory birds, yung "tarat" na nakikita nyo this season is migratory. it's from china. i mentioned it here because that is the only migratory bird that comes to metro manila. sorry i do not know the english name of the bird "tarat". maingay yun, kaya nga tarat ang name kasi tarat ng tarat. breast feathers is yellowish or yellow-green and 2x the size of the white cheek sparrows native to the philippines.

[BlueBimmer]

crap, ive been eating lotsa chicken these past few days...

[yebo]

me too. i'm in indonesia and meron bird flu dito. i ate chicken last night and again lunch today. i also ate fried egg. if it's cooked it's safe. the danger is inhaling or ingesting chicken poop because that is where the virus is.

[boybi]

yebo, ask ko lang, will it be safer buying chicken eggs from groceries like SM and Robinson's? siguradong wala na kasing chicken poop yun, unlike sa palengke.

and ako rin, almost everyday meron chicken in one of our meals.

[yebo]

may chicken poop pa din. wife and i just bought sa sm supersale last week before i went back here to work, i washed the eggs kasi may stain (actually we always do even before bird flu). thing is it comes in plastic containers so pwede mo basain before you handle it, so less chances of dried chicken poop going airborne and you inhaling it.

[boybi]

pero hindi ba agad namamatay ang virus once it gets out of the body of the infected chicken? diba yung SARS, parang about 3ft. away palang yung virus, e patay na at hindi na nakakahawa?

[yebo]

not the flu virus. kaya nga dried chicken poop yung dangerous kasi yun ang mode of transmission nya.

btw, sars 3 ft away lang from host ang life? no, not true. if you watched discovery channel last night the elevator in hongkong continued to infect people even after days of the sick doctor riding in it on his way to the hospital. many of the people living in that hongkong apartment got sick of sars, 8 died. maybe you're thinking of HIV, patay agad when hit by sunlight, or the ebola virus which dies when exposed to air.

[boybi]

parang nabasa ko kasi dati nung peak ng SARS na you can safely talk with any person basta't you're more than 3ft away. baka nagiba siguro findings nila.

[yebo]

3 feet away yung buga siguro ng saliva droplets when talking. pero may professor kami nung college walang nauupo sa first 3 rows kasi 8 ft ang abot ng shower pag nagsasalita siya hehehehe!

[oldblue]

tsk tsk kapag may ebs pa ng ibon yun windshield ko dapat matakot na ko?

[badkuk]

dito ako medyo nalilito...

di ba technically ung virus isn't really "alive" until it comes into contact with its host(ain contrast to bacteria, which are true living microorganisms)? and when it does infect the host, there's really no remedy/medicine that can actually "kill" it, so magagawa mo lang is boost your immune system para ma "kill" or ma expel ung virus? kaya nga laging sinasabi na there's still no cure for the common cold?


and when it isn't in any living host, technically "dead" sya di ba? so how can something be killed if it's not alive in the first place?

[Psylocke]

sino sa inyo nag-hoard ng TAMIFLU? bakit wala na ako mabili?

[BlueBimmer]

tagal na ata wala

[mrpink]

my 2 tips to you, 1 - buy dressed chicken, don't buy live ones.

.. why dressed chicken ? .. what's so special about it? ... i usually buy yung mga parts lang .. like legs .. wings .. breast .. not really the whole chicken ..

[yebo]

dito ako medyo nalilito...

and when it isn't in any living host, technically "dead" sya di ba? so how can something be killed if it's not alive in the first place?

"live" here means "having the ability to reproduce". so technically a virus is non-living when it is outside it's host, but it is alive since when it comes into contact with its host it can reproduce itself and therefore has life.

case in point: UV filter for drinking water. after the water passes through the UV filter the bacteria and viruses are still alive, but since they can no longer reproduce (the dna and rna are already disjointed after being hit by UV light and therefore their genetic blueprint is already gone) then they are "dead".

[yebo]

.. why dressed chicken ? .. what's so special about it? ... i usually buy yung mga parts lang .. like legs .. wings .. breast .. not really the whole chicken ..

coz it's safer, by the very fact that dressed chicken can no longer poop
"dressed" chicken means that which has already been cleaned of its feathers and inards. so yung sinabi mo na chicken parts, that is also dressed chicken. as against "live" chicken (they still do sell live chicken at the wet markets)