71 year old Jack Wilson killed mass shooter with ONE head shot

[sparc179]

Very good points Master Jut and I agree with most of them.

Just as I stated, the U.S right now has a major mental health epidemic that they refuse to or are unable to address effectively.

My personal argument is fairly basic, and I'm not advocating that all people on this planet own guns, no sir, but just the simple and irrevocable fact that guns are necessary for one's protection.

Perfect example is our very own beloved country. Where some of the people tasked to protect its own citizens are the very ones committing unspeakable crimes. Can we truly rely on our very own PNP to save us when drug crazed criminals have forcibly entered our homes with the intention of robbing us, harming us, raping our women and eventually killing us?







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[uls]

Kung ung sira ulong religious fanatic meron baril o bomba di na siya gagamit ng trak

[sparc179]

We are talking about the gun issue and you account it to mental health. When I said that, of course I'm talking about guns. Sure a mental person can use bombs and trucks, but they don't have that problem and that's not what we are talking about here.

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I believe you're missing my point Madame.

It's not only guns that make it possible for a crazy person to commit mass murder that's my argument.

I do hope you understand what I'm saying.



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[sparc179]

Kung ung sira ulong religious fanatic meron baril o bomba di na siya gagamit ng trak

That is one way of looking at it yes Master Uls.

Pero dahil radicalized na nga sya at brain washed na, nakagawa parin sya ng paraan para pumatay ng maraming tao di ba?

My point being, you don't necessarily need to have a gun or bomb to commit mass murder and one way to protect yourself and those you love is to be equipped with the tools and knowledge to do just that.





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[Little Missy]

Ownership. Hindi naman siguro as common as owning a gun ang matago ng bomba sa bahay or magkaron ng whatever wheeler truck sa garage.
Not every truck driver has a mental illness and suicidal.

They have a gun problem / killings because they have guns.

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[shadow]

Hinde naman baril pumapatay ng tao yun owner.

So kung talaganf magcommit siya ng mass murder marami siyang pwedeng gamitin hinde lang baril.


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[uls]

That is one way of looking at it yes Master Uls.

Pero dahil radicalized na nga sya at brain washed na, nakagawa parin sya ng paraan para pumatay ng maraming tao di ba?

My point being, you don't necessarily need to have a gun or bomb to commit mass murder and one way to protect yourself and those you love is to be equipped with the tools and knowledge to do just that.





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but having access to a gun makes it easier

if you're determined to kill, having a gun makes it easier

kesa gagamit ka ng knife, a rock, a steel pipe, a car, a truck etc

that's my point naman

[Little Missy]

Hinde naman baril pumapatay ng tao yun owner.

So kung talaganf magcommit siya ng mass murder marami siyang pwedeng gamitin hinde lang baril.


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True naman. But they don't have that problem. They have a problem with mass shootings coz they have access to guns. Not bombs, not trucks, or whatever.

We are not simply talking about murder here. They are many ways to commit murder. We are talking about the problem of mass shooting in the US.

And owning a gun per se is not the problem. Pero baka meron mga wala sa tamang capacity ang may access dito that's why there's a clamor for a reform in the gun regulation.

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[uls]

ung mga nag amok, kung itak lang konti lang ang mataga niya

pero kung may baril, mas madami mapatay

[Verbl Kint]

Data from the US government actually shows that states with a higher rate of gun ownership tend to have higher mortality rates from firearms:

Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality


The paradox here is that the more people buy guns, the greater the amount of guns that will be inventoried for that area. This, in turn, significantly increases the likelihood that a homicide/murder using a firearm will occur in that city.

Consequently, the resulting higher crime and murder rates force more citizens to try to get access to firearms out of fear. The cycle escalates further and is compounded by media and propaganda (i.e. drug addicts are out to get you and your family).


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[jut703]

Very good points Master Jut and I agree with most of them.

Just as I stated, the U.S right now has a major mental health epidemic that they refuse to or are unable to address effectively.

My personal argument is fairly basic, and I'm not advocating that all people on this planet own guns, no sir, but just the simple and irrevocable fact that guns are necessary for one's protection.

Perfect example is our very own beloved country. Where some of the people tasked to protect its own citizens are the very ones committing unspeakable crimes. Can we truly rely on our very own PNP to save us when drug crazed criminals have forcibly entered our homes with the intention of robbing us, harming us, raping our women and eventually killing us?







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We converge in the idea that promoting a healthy society with low inequality and sufficient mental health awareness is the long-term fix that curbs incidents of mass shootings.

However, I do not agree that in the interim, the best way to deal with gun-toting homicidal folks is to have everyone else toting guns themselves. Even within the US, there is clear data that shows that shooting incidents are much lower in states with stricter gun laws:

The Looser a State'''s Gun Laws, the More Mass Shootings It Has | WIRED

This trend has strengthened even more in the past decade, where more mass shootings occur in states with more relaxed gun laws.

Letting ordinary folks carry guns as protection is akin to hoping that two wrongs make a right. There are multiple data points (both US and abroad) that show that if you make it more difficult to get a gun, chances of mass shootings decrease.

Another point to note is that more than just mental illness (which only comprises 1% of gun-related homicides, despite what media sensationalizes), gun violence is more closely correlated to a history of domestic abuse. So if background checks are more stringent and gun ownership is treated as a privilege for upstanding citizens rather than a right for every redneck, gun-related violence decreases. You can read more about scientifically-proven statistics relating to gun violence here:

Here Are 12 Facts We Know About Gun Violence, According to Science

I'm interested to see the data that supports your claim that the best way to reduce gun violence is to have people "protect" themselves with their own firearms. Please share.

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