Heneral Luna

**jut703** · October 2nd, 2015 01:36 AM

Meron bang taong walang dark side? Lahat naman sila meron. But it doesn't discount the fact that they died for the country, in quite a literal manner.

**dr. d** · October 2nd, 2015 10:29 AM

History is written by the victors... in the manner that they see fit.

**CLAVEL3699** · October 2nd, 2015 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by timming_gear

Galing pala ngayun ko lang nalaman. Bakit sa History class namin walang nababangit na ganito. So hindi lang din pala si Emilio ang masama dito, meron din palang baho si Luna.

Lahat meron... Si Rizal meron din, hindi naman kalayaan nang pilipinas ang pinaglalaban ni Rizal, ang gusto ni rizal ay gawing probinsya nang espana ang pilipinas dahil nalaman nya noong pumunta sya sa espana na ang mga tao doon ay may kalayaan.

**CLAVEL3699** · October 2nd, 2015 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by jut703

Meron bang taong walang dark side? Lahat naman sila meron. But it doesn't discount the fact that they died for the country, in quite a literal manner.

Si Antonio Luna ay hindi namatay para sa bayan, sya ay namatay sa kamay nang mga kapwa nya pilipino na ganid sa kapangyarihan. Literal na namatay para sa bayan ay namatay sa kamay nang mga mananakop.

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Originally Posted by jut703

Meron bang taong walang dark side? Lahat naman sila meron. But it doesn't discount the fact that they died for the country, in quite a literal manner.

Si Antonio Luna ay hindi namatay para sa bayan, sya ay namatay sa kamay nang mga kapwa nya pilipino na ganid sa kapangyarihan. Literal na namatay para sa bayan ay namatay sa kamay nang mga mananakop.

**kisshmet** · October 2nd, 2015 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by CLAVEL3699

Bago sumiklab ang revolution ni Bonifacio hinikayat si Heneral Luna na sa sumapi sa katipunan pero ayaw nya makidigma sa Espana dahil ang gusto nya ay maging isang probinsya nang espana ang pilipinas para ang mga pilipino ay mabigyan nang karapatan makapag aral at bumoto pareho nang gusto ni Jose Rizal. Ayaw nya sa Digmaan.

Ngunit noong sumiklab na ang digmaan, dinakip na ang mga pinaghihinalaan at nakasama dito ang mga Luna... noong si Luna ay tinorture nang mga Espanol sya ay nagturo kasama sa kanyang naituro ay si Jose Rizal na madalas kausap nang mga katipunero... kaya sya ay nabansagan na traydor noong panahon nang kastila.

Siya ay nakatakas na nag aral nang war science sa europa at doon din sumiklab naman ang American war doon sya hinikayat ni aguinaldo na maging heneral nya dahil may pinag aralan eto sa larangan nang war science.

Kaya dapat Fall - Rise and Fall ni Antonio Luna

Probably antonio held a grudge with rizal over an altercation with a lady they were both enamored with

During their stay in europe Antonio was drunk and blurted some unsavory words about the lady. When jose learned about the things antonio had to say about the lady rizal challenged luna to a duel to which the latter declined and apologized. This incident can be viewed as cowardice on the side of luna or his unwillingness to kill a compatriot over a lady

There are two sides of a coin. One thing rizal & antonio luna had in common then, that we are better off under spain. Opting for reform rather than independence.

But when the revolution took the country by storm, the fire of the revolution galvanized luna to take arms for the country. At the prodding of aguinaldo put his knowledge in military science to good use. The winds of change has blown and the young nation was born together with the desire of his compatriots to be FREE

Ready or not the revolutionaries took up arms and engaged the spanish colonizers in a lethal duel in the battle fields banking on their collective desire for self determination

In the same effect the movie doesnt intentend to glorify antonio but to promote self reflection (learn from history) & patriotism (love of country) which we unfortunately still lack after more than a century of independence from spain

**Ry_Tower** · October 2nd, 2015 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by kisshmet

Probably antonio held a grudge with rizal over an altercation with a lady they were both enamored with

During their stay in europe Antonio was drunk and blurted some unsavory words about the lady. When jose learned about the things antonio had to say about the lady rizal challenged luna to a duel to which the latter declined and apologized. This incident can be viewed as cowardice on the side of luna or his unwillingness to kill a compatriot over a lady

There are two sides of a coin. One thing rizal & antonio luna had in common then, that we are better off under spain. Opting for reform rather than independence.

But when the revolution took the country by storm, the fire of the revolution galvanized luna to take arms for the country. At the prodding of aguinaldo put his knowledge in military science to good use. The winds of change has blown and the young nation was born together with the desire of his compatriots to be FREE

Ready or not the revolutionaries took up arms and engaged the spanish colonizers in a lethal duel in the battle fields banking on their collective desire for self determination

In the same effect the movie doesnt intentend to glorify antonio but to promote self reflection (learn from history) & patriotism (love of country) which we unfortunately still lack after more than a century of independence from spain

Nice post. Culdn't agree more. For all the bad side of Hen A. Luna, I still consider him a hero and a true patriot. Aguinaldo on the other hand...

**CLAVEL3699** · October 2nd, 2015 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Ry_Tower

Nice post. Culdn't agree more. For all the bad side of Hen A. Luna, I still consider him a hero and a true patriot. Aguinaldo on the other hand...

May nagawa naman si aguinaldo.

He established the first Kangaroo Court...

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Originally Posted by Ry_Tower

Nice post. Culdn't agree more. For all the bad side of Hen A. Luna, I still consider him a hero and a true patriot. Aguinaldo on the other hand...

May nagawa naman si aguinaldo.

He established the first Kangaroo Court...

**CLAVEL3699** · October 2nd, 2015 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by kisshmet

Probably antonio held a grudge with rizal over an altercation with a lady they were both enamored with

During their stay in europe Antonio was drunk and blurted some unsavory words about the lady. When jose learned about the things antonio had to say about the lady rizal challenged luna to a duel to which the latter declined and apologized. This incident can be viewed as cowardice on the side of luna or his unwillingness to kill a compatriot over a lady

There are two sides of a coin. One thing rizal & antonio luna had in common then, that we are better off under spain. Opting for reform rather than independence.

But when the revolution took the country by storm, the fire of the revolution galvanized luna to take arms for the country. At the prodding of aguinaldo put his knowledge in military science to good use. The winds of change has blown and the young nation was born together with the desire of his compatriots to be FREE

Ready or not the revolutionaries took up arms and engaged the spanish colonizers in a lethal duel in the battle fields banking on their collective desire for self determination

In the same effect the movie doesnt intentend to glorify antonio but to promote self reflection (learn from history) & patriotism (love of country) which we unfortunately still lack after more than a century of independence from spain

Rizal asked Luna to join the Katipunan to serve as liason between the masses and the rich; but Luna refused, stating that a revolution was premature. When the Katipunan was finally discovered by the Spanish authorities, Luna was imprisoned and tortured. The Spanish authorities made false claims that his friends had implicated him in the Katipunan revolution as one of its prominent members. Weakened by mental and physical torture, Luna decided to reveal all that he knew about the Katipunan. He denounced the Katipunan and revealed the names of his friends who were members of the secret society. In return for his cooperation, he was exiled to Spain in 1897 and was locked up in Madrid Prison. He was later released through the assistance of a government official.

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Originally Posted by kisshmet

Probably antonio held a grudge with rizal over an altercation with a lady they were both enamored with

During their stay in europe Antonio was drunk and blurted some unsavory words about the lady. When jose learned about the things antonio had to say about the lady rizal challenged luna to a duel to which the latter declined and apologized. This incident can be viewed as cowardice on the side of luna or his unwillingness to kill a compatriot over a lady

There are two sides of a coin. One thing rizal & antonio luna had in common then, that we are better off under spain. Opting for reform rather than independence.

But when the revolution took the country by storm, the fire of the revolution galvanized luna to take arms for the country. At the prodding of aguinaldo put his knowledge in military science to good use. The winds of change has blown and the young nation was born together with the desire of his compatriots to be FREE

Ready or not the revolutionaries took up arms and engaged the spanish colonizers in a lethal duel in the battle fields banking on their collective desire for self determination

In the same effect the movie doesnt intentend to glorify antonio but to promote self reflection (learn from history) & patriotism (love of country) which we unfortunately still lack after more than a century of independence from spain

Rizal asked Luna to join the Katipunan to serve as liason between the masses and the rich; but Luna refused, stating that a revolution was premature. When the Katipunan was finally discovered by the Spanish authorities, Luna was imprisoned and tortured. The Spanish authorities made false claims that his friends had implicated him in the Katipunan revolution as one of its prominent members. Weakened by mental and physical torture, Luna decided to reveal all that he knew about the Katipunan. He denounced the Katipunan and revealed the names of his friends who were members of the secret society. In return for his cooperation, he was exiled to Spain in 1897 and was locked up in Madrid Prison. He was later released through the assistance of a government official.

**Juan Martinez** · October 2nd, 2015 12:06 PM

but this first stanza of my hero's poem sums up it all--

Aling pag-ibig pa ang hihigit kaya
Sa pagkadalisay at pagkadakila
Gaya ng pag-ibig sa tinub’ang lupa?
Aling pag-ibig pa? Wala na nga, wala.