2014 Mazda 3

[jut703]

The Mz3 1.5 FC isn't so bad - 9 km/L in city driving right? That's the same as a Jazz.

The 2.0 is more spectacular for its displacement, but I don't think the 1.5 is any slouch in terms of FC.


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[17Sphynx17]

The Mz3 1.5 FC isn't so bad - 9 km/L in city driving right? That's the same as a Jazz.

The 2.0 is more spectacular for its displacement, but I don't think the 1.5 is any slouch in terms of FC.


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The Mz3 1.5 FC isn't so bad - 9 km/L in city driving right? That's the same as a Jazz.

The 2.0 is more spectacular for its displacement, but I don't think the 1.5 is any slouch in terms of FC.


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I am not saying it is bad, just that it is not better. The Jazz and City can actually achieve 10km/l in the city, especially on my routes as our family does own a 2008 2nd gen city 1.3 i-Dsi AT. It can achieve up to 10.5 if better conditions are present. The Altis 1.6 Single VVTi 2001 AT we used to own (pre-Ondoy, can achieve 9.5 to 10km/l). So basically, if the Mazda 3 1.5 can only achieve 9km/l, then it is the same with the previous gen altis single VVti AT which also manages the same.

Again, not saying it's bad, just wish it was a bit better.

[aRTie]

The Mz3 1.5 FC isn't so bad - 9 km/L in city driving right? That's the same as a Jazz.

7-8 km/l ata sir ang FC ng 1.5 sa pure city, iirc

[jut703]

7-8 km/l ata sir ang FC ng 1.5 sa pure city, iirc

That's worst-case scenario. Any 1.5/1.6 will get figures like that when subjected to bumper-to-bumper traffic.

Yan ang mahirap eh, the term "city driving" is actually very broad. 7pm on EDSA during a yuletide season sale is city driving. Driving on C5 on a Sunday afternoon is also city driving.

I really wish that people took more notice of their car's average speed reading so we can have more accurate comparisons, but most people can't be bothered to be objective in their measurements.

Most people just go along with the hearsay, or make subjective and baseless remarks, then claim these as truth. You'd think that as educated citizens people could be more scientific with the approach, but this is rarely the case. And that's a big pet peeve of mine.


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[JohnM]

I personally like Yojin 3 because the PMS costs are part of the amortization. I won't be shelling out more money twice a year. I think this also almost 100% ensures that all Yojin 3 units are casa maintained and this will help raise resale values a bit.

Yojin 3 is not about PMS lang. They also have concierge services and road side assistance as part of the deal.

[17Sphynx17]

I personally like Yojin 3 because the PMS costs are part of the amortization. I won't be shelling out more money twice a year. I think this also almost 100% ensures that all Yojin 3 units are casa maintained and this will help raise resale values a bit.

Yojin 3 is not about PMS lang. They also have concierge services and road side assistance as part of the deal.

To put the Yojin 3 sample to an example. If as per my example of how I drive, average 10k kms per year. And the average service interval at 10k kms costs about 6k php for every 10k PMS service (assumed since Yojin 3 is good for 60k kms worth about 35k php).

In 3 years, I would only need to spend 6k per year, no interest on top.

If I had a 3 year loan term, that "included yojin 3 service" for what is essentialy 30k clocked on the odo will cost me (as an owner) 42.5k php, instead of just 18k php... a difference of about 24.5k php. Still a big deal. that's about 450liters worth of fuel, about 10 full tanks.

I hope that made sense. Which is why I wish there was an opt out for yojin 3.

[17Sphynx17]

That's worst-case scenario. Any 1.5/1.6 will get figures like that when subjected to bumper-to-bumper traffic.

Yan ang mahirap eh, the term "city driving" is actually very broad. 7pm on EDSA during a yuletide season sale is city driving. Driving on C5 on a Sunday afternoon is also city driving.

I really wish that people took more notice of their car's average speed reading so we can have more accurate comparisons, but most people can't be bothered to be objective in their measurements.

Most people just go along with the hearsay, or make subjective and baseless remarks, then claim these as truth. You'd think that as educated citizens people could be more scientific with the approach, but this is rarely the case. And that's a big pet peeve of mine.


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Ah yes. I understand that. But even with the 1.3 and 1.5 City/vios relatives used to own. We've never tanked to a level of 7km/l. 7.5km/l was the city driving condition we were working with as an average low figure for them. Average speed is more than 10kmph but less than 20kmph. So there is a bumper to bumper stint, but a section would open up after where the average speed would be around 30kmph if you take out the bumper to bumper portion completely. =)

*JohnM

Road side assistance comes with a BPI-Petron, Shell Citibank, Petron value card, Seaoil value card completely free and they are technically more accessible than any dealer worth their salt. Petron you need to pay upfront 100php but that is just essentially loaded onto the value card as a peso value which you can still topup into your vehicle. I would guess HSBC Caltex and Diner's Club Seaoil offers the same.

So it does not offer any added value. Same with the conceirge service. Doing it by yourself can get you better deals without having to go through a middle man as long as you know what you are doing if I am being honest. Plus credit card companies already offer some sort of promotional packages/bundles with various business like resorts/hotels, restaurants etc. So again, no value added to the purchase if that is the argument.

And you are shelling out more money. Upfront, the yojin 3 estimated costs is 35kphp. If you are paying one year and did get a rate of around 9%, then that is almost 3.5k in interest payments added onto the Yojin 3 value, 2 years at 14% adds about 4.9kphp. 3 years at 19% adds 6.65k php.

all these add ontop of the 35k assumed service cost (peso value) of Yojin 3. Again, an amount you should not even need to pay upfront.

[JohnM]

Yeah I get your point. PMS is still a bit stressful for me because if you're not careful they'll insert items that you don't need.

On my 20k PMS with a very popular brand I specifically instructed the SA to remove all optional items and he consented. This was my third service call with them so I thought nagkaintindihan na kami because I had the same instructions in the previous two services. When I get my bill there was an extra 500 added in for "brake cleaning and adjustment". So on my next PMS I went to the neighborhood talyer for the oil change and DIYed the rest.

With Yojin 3 they can do all the optional services they want.

[aRTie]

That's worst-case scenario. Any 1.5/1.6 will get figures like that when subjected to bumper-to-bumper traffic.

Yan ang mahirap eh, the term "city driving" is actually very broad. 7pm on EDSA during a yuletide season sale is city driving. Driving on C5 on a Sunday afternoon is also city driving.

I really wish that people took more notice of their car's average speed reading so we can have more accurate comparisons, but most people can't be bothered to be objective in their measurements.

Most people just go along with the hearsay, or make subjective and baseless remarks, then claim these as truth. You'd think that as educated citizens people could be more scientific with the approach, but this is rarely the case. And that's a big pet peeve of mine.

We have very few accounts of 1.5 FC as of the moment in this thread. Only 2 as i remember, both of them logged around 7.5 km/l on pure city. This is not subjective or baseless, it came from actual city consumption of 2 users here.

When we get feedback from more users, we'll get more data to average. As of the moment, we are at 7.5, hence my 7-8 km/l post earlier. This somehow gives us an idea that the FC of 1.5 could go this low.

Also, i don't think that this is the worst case scenario, both cars haven't experienced christmas season yet.

[basti08]

We have very few accounts of 1.5 FC as of the moment in this thread. Only 2 as i remember, both of them logged around 7.5 km/l on pure city. This is not subjective or baseless, it came from actual city consumption of 2 users here.

When we get feedback from more users, we'll get more data to average. As of the moment, we are at 7.5, hence my 7-8 km/l post earlier. This somehow gives us an idea that the FC of 1.5 could go this low.

Also, i don't think that this is the worst case scenario, both cars haven't experienced christmas season yet.

Any car could go that low in EDSA rush hour traffic. My Mirage 1.2L CVT could get as low as 8km/l as well during EDSA traffic.

[jut703]

We have very few accounts of 1.5 FC as of the moment in this thread. Only 2 as i remember, both of them logged around 7.5 km/l on pure city. This is not subjective or baseless, it came from actual city consumption of 2 users here.

When we get feedback from more users, we'll get more data to average. As of the moment, we are at 7.5, hence my 7-8 km/l post earlier. This somehow gives us an idea that the FC of 1.5 could go this low.

Also, i don't think that this is the worst case scenario, both cars haven't experienced christmas season yet.

I wasn't speaking for this thread alone, but in general when people start claiming that their car xx does yy km/L. Then you'll find out it's based entirely on "tantsa". That's what annoys me.

Anyway, you're right that there aren't enough 1.5 users here to have a consensus on average city driving consumption, so it's best to wait. If it does 9-11 km/l in city driving, then about 8 km/l in rush hour traffic, that would be pretty good already.


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[jut703]

The Mazda 3 lineup is interesting for me. No other compact sedan has the 2.0 outselling the 1.5/1.6L variants.

As much as I want Mazda to have a bestseller, the Mazda 3 1.5 just isn't a clear winner against the Altis 1.6 G/V, or Sylphy 1.6 CVT.

The performance is actually the biggest downer for me, but it's not that far off from the others. The Sylphy isn't actually faster than the Mz3, while the Altis just has more low-end torque but once you allow the rev-happy Mz3 to reach the upper revs, it's potent enough. Much like a Jazz/City. Actually I don't quite get why people feel that the Mz3 is heavy and underpowered, when the Jazz/City have the same characteristics wherein it takes higher revs to get good pace.

Unfortunately there aren't any engines in between the 1.5 and 2.0. So it's either so-so performance with so-so efficiency or an incredibly efficient 2-liter for 250k more.

The mid-range compact market has actually shrunk significantly over the past 2 years. The Altis is such a practical all-rounder that it eliminated the need for the Cruze, Civic, Lancer, and Elantra. The Sylphy actually doesn't differentiate much from the Altis, except perhaps a bit more luxrious treatmeant.

The Mazda 3 is the only real left-field choice with its class-leading design and handling, the only true driver's car. Too bad the space is inferior to even the Jazz/City, and that power isn't better than the City/Jazz, Fiesta Ecoboost, or Altis 1.6. Though it has made the Focus obsolete since it's overweight, underpowered, gas-guzzling, with DCT issues.


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[jut703]

That's if you look at Yojin 3 as cost loaded on the SRP. Truth is, spec-for-spec, the Mz3 is cheaper than the Altis V (999k vs 945k).

I prefer to look a Yojin 3 as a cash discount spread out over 3 years. Mazda would never give it out as a cash discount anyway so at least Yojin 3 is better than nothing.

Honda is still more stingy as they rarely offer any cash discounts and don't even give anything free.


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[aRTie]

*17Sphynx17

Got your point sir. Kala ko kasi ang issue na nakikita mo is hindi mo ma-a-avail fully yung mga free pms, but you are after the value that Yojin3 will give you. I would have to agree with Jut703 na you should not look at it as an additional cost embedded sa srp ng car but rather as an additional freebie.

Note that Yojin3 is Berjaya's offering, in a way to rebuild yung Mazda brand after they took it from Ford January of 2013. When we were getting our mazda last year, yung GM and agent na kausap namin are not sure how long the program will last. Maybe it did wonders on Mazda's sales kaya nag pursue.

Honestly, I don't see it as a permanent offering, baka pag lumakas ang market share ng Mazda alisin na rin nila. Pero i'm hoping na tumagal pa yung program.

[kyoots]

Really looking forward to seeing the 3 in the streets (I think I saw too much already sa reviews). I saw one white 1.5 hatch yesterday and a white 1.5 sedan earlier today. The white looks kinda dull, unlike Toyota's ~15k pearl white 😜


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[dosbydos]

I went to mazda dagupan for my first (1k) PMS and the SA told me that they have reverted back to 1% DI.
Pssst mazda greenhills baka naman puede magrefund sa DI kahit in kind na lang hehehe....

[bongzzz]

About the tire pressure, magkaiba pala ang requirements sa 1.5 and 2.0 since magkaiba din ng size. And yung nakalagay sa pinto na specs, depende din sa load/number of passengers.

Meron na bang nakakuha ng license plates, OR/CR sa mga nakabili na? Gaano kaya katagal ang waiting time natin bago makuha ang mga ito? Mag-2 months na mula ng ma release ang sasakyan.

[larry0609]

About the tire pressure, magkaiba pala ang requirements sa 1.5 and 2.0 since magkaiba din ng size. And yung nakalagay sa pinto na specs, depende din sa load/number of passengers.

Meron na bang nakakuha ng license plates, OR/CR sa mga nakabili na? Gaano kaya katagal ang waiting time natin bago makuha ang mga ito? Mag-2 months na mula ng ma release ang sasakyan.

Bought my car last March 2014 and only got the OR/CR yesterday, wala pa plates.


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[p@r@k]

Just finished my 1K PMS earlier today. Bilis lang, wala pang 2 hours with car wash pa. Question sa mga nakapagpa PMS na, do you give tips din ba sa Service Advisor niyo? Nahiya kasi ako kanina kaya nabigyan ko lang yung actual nag service sa kotse mismo.

Anyway, would just like to share na rin these photos. My bro took a shot of a deep crystal blue mica Mz3 na nakadisplay kanina sa showroom. Ganda rin when you see it sa malapitan. Though for me nawala yung pagka sportiness niya but instead parang naging pang-executive yung dating...






*sir bongzzz, I received my OR/CR kanina lang din but still no plates. My Mz3 will be 1 month old on the 30th so baka nanjan na rin yung OR/CR niyo po. Better check with your dealer.

[bongzzz]

thanks for the info, larry and p*r*k. I called mazda alabang and been told I could expect around 2nd week of July pa. Yung license plate, 3-4 months waiting daw.

*larry, Meron na pala bagong Mz3 since March? I thought 3rd week of April unang batch ng mga nakakuha. I reserved first week of March pa.

*p*r*k, that deep blue crystal was my first choice, but then I was told na June/July pa daw ang dating and I couldn't wait so I settled for the black. Beautiful shade of blue, but no regrets with black. Wala free car wash yung 1k PMS ko, pag 6 months na daw yun. I give a tip to the actual mechanic who serviced my car, but next time siguro I'll give some to the service advisor as well. Basta satisfied ka naman sa service sa car mo, I think they're worth it.

As for the maintenance, I'm having the car washed every other week. Madalas umulan lately, at pangit tingnan yung alikabok na namumuo pag nauulanan. Wax, once a month.