Rear Occupant Alert System

[17Sphynx17]

Let me put it another way.... yes or no question.

So, if a parent accidentally leave his child in the car for whatever reason, are you ok with the fact that the child must suffer or die?

Why i find this to be an incorrect question is because the parent is not necessarily the driver in all cases. So the parent could have been a passenger as well and forgot their child. If that os the case, we also have an irresponsible parent (or made a big mistake) and a driver who was also irresponsible

And if driver was a parent and another passenger was also a parent, then you'd have an existing system that had 2 points of failure already and both failed if that happened as well.

[oj88]

Why i find this to be an incorrect question is because the parent is not necessarily the driver in all cases. So the parent could have been a passenger as well and forgot their child. If that os the case, we also have an irresponsible parent (or made a big mistake) and a driver who was also irresponsible

And if driver was a parent and another passenger was also a parent, then you'd have an existing system that had 2 points of failure already and both failed if that happened as well.

It's the same question... both adults (the driver and/or the parent passenger) might have to share some responsibility but that's irrelevant. It doesn't change the fact that a kid died... which as I've mentioned, is preventable if there's a backup system that is not prone to human error.

[17Sphynx17]

Yes, 100%. The driver is responsible for his passengers.

But the only thing you can do is to prosecute the driver for gross negligence.... it doesn't change the fact that a child died. You can no longer bring him/her back from the dead. It would've been preventable if there was a backup system that will alert the driver.

We are at least clear then than most of us, i think all, are in agreement that the driver is responsible and should be responsible.

For my part, i just dont want a population that is dependent on automation systems for what should be common sense.

But i also agree, there are instances whete i believe the device makes a lot of sense... Vans like hiace/nv350, or even those larger ones from hyundai and foton.

But i just cant imagine justifying it for a 5 seater where all passenger are just beside you or directly behind you. That just seems too callous for a person to not even bother with their immediate vici ity as they cant be bothered.

Now if the person was starting or has been exhibiting mental lapses, that also falls into the part of the drivers responsibility to not choose to drive as it might endanger not only himself, but others as well.

Right?

P. S. I think not just negligence, but also homicide if it results in a death, but do correct me if i am wrong

[17Sphynx17]

It's the same question... both adults (the driver and/or the parent passenger) might have to share some responsibility but that's irrelevant. It doesn't change the fact that a kid died... which as I've mentioned, is preventable if there's a backup system that is not prone to human error.

That is the reason why i brought up parent driver plus parent passenger. The parent passenger was the backup system but also failed. In that regard, no amount of automation might save them and they might even sue the car company for the event that was preventable if they were responsible.

Just my foresight of 'that future' where adults are dependent on automated safety systems.

Th

[oj88]

We are at least clear then than most of us, i think all, are in agreement that the driver is responsible and should be responsible.

For my part, i just dont want a population that is dependent on automation systems for what should be common sense.

But i also agree, there are instances whete i believe the device makes a lot of sense... Vans like hiace/nv350, or even those larger ones from hyundai and foton.

But i just cant imagine justifying it for a 5 seater where all passenger are just beside you or directly behind you. That just seems too callous for a person to not even bother with their immediate vici ity as they cant be bothered.

Now if the person was starting or has been exhibiting mental lapses, that also falls into the part of the drivers responsibility to not choose to drive as it might endanger not only himself, but others as well.

Right?

P. S. I think not just negligence, but also homicide if it results in a death, but do correct me if i am wrong

Too late. People are already dependent on technology. But just staying within the confines of a modern vehicle.... you have an alert to remind you to buckle up, an alert to tell you that your lights are on, a reminder to service your vehicle, an alert that your parking brakes are still engaged, an alert when you're in reverse, an alert that your keys are still in the ignition... just off the top of my head.

All those things work towards safety and security.... safety and security for the vehicle and ultimately, its passengers.

That's simply how innovation works. If a bad condition exists that a human operator cannot be depended on to correct, use technology to augment those lapses by either alerting him or if possible, make corrections automatically if it's something that it is designed to do (ie. collision warning + collision avoidance).

[oj88]

That is the reason why i brought up parent driver plus parent passenger. The parent passenger was the backup system but also failed. In that regard, no amount of automation might save them and they might even sue the car company for the event that was preventable if they were responsible.

Just my foresight of 'that future' where adults are dependent on automated safety systems.

Th

I disagree, but you've actually proved my point.

Both the driver and parent are humans. And as humans, they have lapses. It doesn't necessarily make them bad parents.... just imperfect parents.

On the other hand, the tech in your vehicle that would help remind you that your child is still strapped in is far less likely to have lapses.

[17Sphynx17]

I disagree, but you've actually proved my point.

Both the driver and parent are humans. And as humans, they have lapses. It doesn't necessarily make them bad parents.... just imperfect parents.

On the other hand, the tech in your vehicle that would help remind you of you child is far less likely to have lapses.

Make the key fob vibrate so the parents think it is their mobile phone.

Honestly, still drive a vehicle that doesn't have the seatbelt warning light but, like i said, i understand your point.

I personally make it a point to tell my niece and nephew to buckle up while they are sat in the rear. Even if they complain that they don't do it in other people's car, i tell them im driving, my rules.

You just have to start somewhere to not let go of that common sense part when in a vehicle.

But if the world is really going to head in the direction where it is more likely to have irresponsible parents, we really have no choice.

It is just a sad state of affairs.

[oj88]

Make the key fob vibrate so the parents think it is their mobile phone.

Honestly, still drive a vehicle that doesn't have the seatbelt warning light but, like i said, i understand your point.

I personally make it a point to tell my niece and nephew to buckle up while they are sat in the rear. Even if they complain that they don't do it in other people's car, i tell them im driving, my rules.

You just have to start somewhere to not let go of that common sense part when in a vehicle.

But if the world is really going to head in the direction where it is more likely to have irresponsible parents, we really have no choice.

It is just a sad state of affairs.

No parent or adult in their right state of mind would willingly leave their child behind. However, statistics is saying that despite such reminders being given out to drivers to check their children, it still happens.

For that, I really find it positive that vehicle manufacturers are starting to see this and eventually are doing something about it. It saves everyone from having to grieve at an otherwise, preventable mistake.

[yebo]

Before we used to ask, "what is the most important part of a vehicle?" and we readily answer "the driver who steps on the brakes". That is because even though the brakes is the most important equipment you have in that 2-1/2 tons of steel you still need the driver to step on it.

Are you saying now that the most important factor in this equation is no longer the driver?

[oj88]

Before we used to ask, "what is the most important part of a vehicle?" and we readily answer "the driver who steps on the brakes". That is because even though the brakes is the most important equipment you have in that 2-1/2 tons of steel you still need the driver to step on it.

Are you saying now that the most important factor in this equation is no longer the driver?

If you put it that way, the driver is important. But he is human. That's why he needs all the tools he can get so he can do a better job.

[leonleon]

Parami ng parami mga warning sounds 'no?

Warning sound when you forget to wear your seatbelt.

Warning sound when your passenger/s forget to wear their seatbelt/s.

Warning sound when you go down your car and you forget to put the A/T in "Park".

Warning sound when the door is left ajar.

Warning sound when you forget to turn off your lights after you turned off the engine.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Heh heh.

[yebo]

Parami ng parami mga warning sounds 'no?

Warning sound when you forget to wear your seatbelt.

Warning sound when your passenger/s forget to wear their seatbelt/s.

Warning sound when you go down your car and you forget to put the A/T in "Park".

Warning sound when the door is left ajar.

Warning sound when you forget to turn off your lights after you turned off the engine.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Heh heh.

Next may warning sound if you forget to bring your brain.
Which is exactly my point. Those people should not be given licenses to drive. Kung ulyanin ka na di ka na dapat mag-drive.

Embracing the responsibility that comes with a license is part of the deal. No excuses.

[yebo]

In the future if a car runs over a pedestrian they will put to jail ...





the computer.

[chronicle]

In the future if a car runs over a pedestrian they will put to jail ...





the computer.

I like the idea.
Or just put the car in limp mode para di makatakas.

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[17Sphynx17]

We are in this discussion and I stumbled upon Tesla's V10 Software update.

Introducing Software Version 1. - YouTube

Now, there are lots of automation in the Tesla, but a part of what irks me is that they are also adding more distractions to play with, literally.

Now, it looks like their update allows you to play Cuphead (I don't know if it is the full version). Previously, they added Mario Kart.

If they made this strictly for passengers, that would be fine by me, but their own advert clearly shows the driver with a controller plugged in on the driver's side.

So, expect to hear the story of "tesla owner crashes while playing cuphead and relying on autopilot".

Anyway, the alert system makes sense for situation we can't really tell if and when we need them. But I do believe that if it shouldn't be used in certain scenarios (yet because still in development or never) then the manufacturer also has the responsibility to disable it to stop some dumbass abusing the tech or relying on the tech then blaming the tech.

[oj88]

Parami ng parami mga warning sounds 'no?

Warning sound when you forget to wear your seatbelt.

Warning sound when your passenger/s forget to wear their seatbelt/s.

Warning sound when you go down your car and you forget to put the A/T in "Park".

Warning sound when the door is left ajar.

Warning sound when you forget to turn off your lights after you turned off the engine.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Heh heh.

Yes, that's what I said. All those chimes, buzzers, and beeps that every driver is bombarded with everyday. But teka, saan mga complaints nyo nung naglabasan mga features na yan?

And be honest, how many times did those warnings actually worked to remind you of something?

Next may warning sound if you forget to bring your brain.
Which is exactly my point. Those people should not be given licenses to drive. Kung ulyanin ka na di ka na dapat mag-drive.

Embracing the responsibility that comes with a license is part of the deal. No excuses.

Nobody is giving excuses. I have said, unequivocally, that the driver is ultimately responsible for his passengers. But, does it have to get to the point of no return?.... Let kids suffer because the driver will be held responsible and be put in prison anyway?

You haven't answered my question here.

So, is it a yes or no?

[yapoy86]

We are in this discussion and I stumbled upon Tesla's V10 Software update.

Introducing Software Version 1. - YouTube

Now, there are lots of automation in the Tesla, but a part of what irks me is that they are also adding more distractions to play with, literally.

Now, it looks like their update allows you to play Cuphead (I don't know if it is the full version). Previously, they added Mario Kart.

If they made this strictly for passengers, that would be fine by me, but their own advert clearly shows the driver with a controller plugged in on the driver's side.

So, expect to hear the story of "tesla owner crashes while playing cuphead and relying on autopilot".

Anyway, the alert system makes sense for situation we can't really tell if and when we need them. But I do believe that if it shouldn't be used in certain scenarios (yet because still in development or never) then the manufacturer also has the responsibility to disable it to stop some dumbass abusing the tech or relying on the tech then blaming the tech.

Agree with you sir... dapat matuto pa dun driver ng discipline... hindi yung basta drive and go lang alam...

Uso na nga ngayon Auto headlights pero 99% na nakakasalubong ko sa covered parking patay mga headlights! Parang nagtitipid lang...

Tsaka minsan sa dami ng warning chimes and lights minsan may tendency na ma -ignore yung warnings...

[17Sphynx17]

Yes, that's what I said. All those chimes, buzzers, and beeps that every driver is bombarded with everyday. But teka, saan mga complaints nyo nung naglabasan mga features na yan?

And be honest, how many times did those warnings actually worked to remind you of something?

For my answer

1) Don't have a car that makes a sound when the seatbelt is not worn. But I also always wear my seatbelt when I drive, so it is useless for me in this case.

2) Don't have a car that also has a warning light for passenger's seatbelt but I personally remind my passenger to wear it. I think my brother and cousin's has it though. Don't really know as I prefer to drive and not be a passenger in a car.

3) Also don't have this. Simplest warning, you can't pull the key out if it isn't in park. I don't own any vehicle with start/stop ignitiion button with no need for key so I may not be going through the same dilemma.

4) Beeping with door left open with the car running? Don't know as well. I personally rely on audible signal of how "loud" i hear the engine idling when I start to press the accelerator and it gives me a sign that something is off when the "sound" is a little louder than normal, and I could check light in the dash. Quality of the sound when a passenger closes the door also helps me judge whether to tell them to close it again.
Brother relies of keeping vanity light under "door" position, no audio warnings in our vehicles for this as well. No idea what it is.

These are my personal responses to the question.

And that's why I didn't say anything as I didn't even know they were a thing. But for the Rear Occupany Alert, I saw it as a feature in an Audi 3 row (I think) and the Kia Telluride, not for 5 seaters though.

[oj88]

For my answer

1) Don't have a car that makes a sound when the seatbelt is not worn. But I also always wear my seatbelt when I drive, so it is useless for me in this case.

2) Don't have a car that also has a warning light for passenger's seatbelt but I personally remind my passenger to wear it. I think my brother and cousin's has it though. Don't really know as I prefer to drive and not be a passenger in a car.

3) Also don't have this. Simplest warning, you can't pull the key out if it isn't in park. I don't own any vehicle with start/stop ignitiion button with no need for key so I may not be going through the same dilemma.

4) Beeping with door left open with the car running? Don't know as well. I personally rely on audible signal of how "loud" i hear the engine idling when I start to press the accelerator and it gives me a sign that something is off when the "sound" is a little louder than normal, and I could check light in the dash. Quality of the sound when a passenger closes the door also helps me judge whether to tell them to close it again.
Brother relies of keeping vanity light under "door" position, no audio warnings in our vehicles for this as well. No idea what it is.

These are my personal responses to the question.

And that's why I didn't say anything as I didn't even know they were a thing. But for the Rear Occupany Alert, I saw it as a feature in an Audi 3 row (I think) and the Kia Telluride, not for 5 seaters though.

Yeah, the question wasn't necessarily directed to you alone. Anyone can comment on it.

[17Sphynx17]

Yeah, the question wasn't necessarily directed to you alone. Anyone can comment on it.

Yup.

I do appreciate seeing the discussion unfold and we will have differences on where we stand on subjects, depending on where we are coming from.

All in all, just an open forum for discussion and "meeting of the minds" as it were.