Hyundai is gettin' bigger!!

[immolator]

Hyundai, ranked 5th in global automotive industry, takes a huge step in times of serious economic recession. Let's look at some examples shall we?




The winner of Ward's 10 Best Engines (US based automotive media organization). The V8 Tau veritably reflects Hyundai's crafting masterpiece.









Yep, the all new TYPE-R diesel engine will soon hit the markets. Can't wait to drive 'em SUVs embarked with these hefty state-of-the-art engine that significantly imprioves gas mileage and power.








With recently winning the North American COTY award, Hyundai brings the Genesis line-up to compete with the top-tier brands. Even the gen coupe looks so DAMN HOT!!









That's right, Hyundai's billions of dollars in investment didn't go in vain. They developed their own platform of ZF-6 Transmission promising more shifting superiority.









Another FR-based from Hyundai: the all new EQUUS with V8 4.6L Tau engine, ZF 6-AT, 366HP/44.8kg. Its intended rival is Lexus 460L, BMW 7-series & M-benz S class, but priced half of it.



Anyway, I think Hyundai is just growing too fast!! I can't imagine how they will look like after 10 years. That's right, I'm a Hyundai fanboy from now!! LOLZ!

[scharnhorst]

Hello sir! welcome to tsikot!

^^^ agreed. Hyundai has indeed come a very long way since its debut.

gusto ko nga madrive yung v6 genesis coupe

[tidus1203]

Bow ako sa Korean diesel. Mga skeptics di pa nakakasubok yun lang!

[imperialv]

That is good news for all of us specially for hyundai owner.. I just hope HARI will still improve there after sales support. I talked to one of the dealers, and they are having difficulties in ordering parts since the parts departments (HARI) have some problem issues.

[marg]

That is good news for all of us specially for hyundai owner.. I just hope HARI will still improve there after sales support. I talked to one of the dealers, and they are having difficulties in ordering parts since the parts departments (HARI) have some problem issues.

You bet, Pahirapan ng piyesa sa HYUNDAI Philippines. Yung order naming parts for our SUV 5 months na wala pa!!!

[Gerbo]

Indeed, Hyundai made huge strides in its worldwide market.

But in the Philippines, the brand still have not capture the imagination except for a few. Maybe they are at par or even surpass Mitsubushi but its still a long way to match those enjoyed by the Honda and Toyota brands.

Major hindrances include car pricing and logistical support. What's good though is their varied line-ups of vehicle models.

Yes, they will be a force to reckon with in the domestic car industry esp. if they can get the "pulse/feel" of the local market.

[khazpert]

wow its an amazing machine!


[quote=immolator;1240860]Hyundai, ranked 5th in global automotive industry, takes a huge step in times of serious economic recession. Let's look at some examples shall we?




The winner of Ward's 10 Best Engines (US based automotive media organization). The V8 Tau veritably reflects Hyundai's crafting masterpiece.

[Horsepower]

460hp pala yan.
ilan ba ang Triton V8 ng Ford?

[oliver1013]

Mga koreano hindi lang pang starcaft pang auto din

[parakitoJDM]

congrats on Hyundai for making the Genesis Sedan. and it won American Car of the year award fm. some magazine. that bodes well for their new found engineering and craftsmanship.

i think they have to thank themselves for striving really hard...as well as the Japanese. like Mitsubishi, where they learned most of their technology and of late from pirating and getting Toyota Spies.... they sure emulate them well. building nice transportation appliances .....

and back on the Genesis, congrats on Aisin for supplying them the best 6A/T for the V6 and for ZF (German company) for supplying them with 6A/T for the V8.....

sorry for nitpicking but this seems very strange....

That's right, Hyundai's billions of dollars in investment didn't go in vain. They developed their own platform of ZF-6 Transmission promising more shifting superiority.

ZF is another separate company - entity. they are transmission specialist....

i think for long term success in the Philippines, they wont gain much market share siguro sa atin due to two major hindrance....
* Pricing: here is where we don't see the value for money of their cars..... because they don't get tax break fm. the Government kasi they don't have local manufacturing like Toyota/Honda..... kaya ang full CBU cars nila would always be at dis-advantage price-wise....

* Low Quality Perception: well, this one they can overcome - in time. as long as they are relentless in providing people with high-quality cars/autos' this will change.

[Gerbo]

i think for long term success in the Philippines, they wont gain much market share siguro sa atin due to two major hindrance....
* Pricing: here is where we don't see the value for money of their cars..... because they don't get tax break fm. the Government kasi they don't have local manufacturing like Toyota/Honda..... kaya ang full CBU cars nila would always be at dis-advantage price-wise....

* Low Quality Perception: well, this one they can overcome - in time. as long as they are relentless in providing people with high-quality cars/autos' this will change.

On pricing, yes this is a major hindrance.

On low quality perception, this can be remedied by some smart marketing strategy.
For one, what I think they are doing right now is occupy a market niche that would compete with the premium brands like Lexus, Audi, BMW, MB, and the like for what is essentially half the price.
The thing is most people searching for upscale cars are brand snobs. But then "bang for the buck" strategy is always a gem for any consumer.

I think they are also not willing to open assembly lines in the ASEAN region. What the Korean government can do is open credit facility for Philippine development plans in exchange for tax breaks.

[Horsepower]

congrats on Hyundai for making the Genesis Sedan. and it won American Car of the year award fm. some magazine. that bodes well for their new found engineering and craftsmanship.

i think they have to thank themselves for striving really hard...as well as the Japanese. like Mitsubishi, where they learned most of their technology and of late from pirating and getting Toyota Spies.... they sure emulate them well. building nice transportation appliances .....

LOL. That's a desperate cry don't you think?

Isn't it kind of weird that Toyota engines suck bigtime (including their flagship engines) compared to the alleged pirated / imitation engines of Hyundai? .

What's funnier is that the "imitation" engines don't choke and are so much more powerful. hehehe.

Actually, I am disappointed with the Toyota for not having adopted VGT in their diesel engines, not sure about the other markets but I don't see any in their asian market editions. They keep making worthless big-displacement engines that don't produce notable power.

[scharnhorst]

Actually, I am disappointed with the Toyota for not having adopted VGT in their diesel engines, not sure about the other markets but I don't see any in their asian market editions. They keep making worthless big-displacement engines that don't produce notable power.

AFAIK, the 3.0 D4D has a Variable Geometry Turbo.

yung 2.5 rin ata meron, pero walang intercooler. Tuned yung 2.5 for economy instead of power, hence the "weak" ratings.

marketing strategy yung paglabel ng mga auto as having these features.

[Hanren]

AFAIK, the 3.0 D4D has a Variable Geometry Turbo.

yung 2.5 rin ata meron, pero walang intercooler. Tuned yung 2.5 for economy instead of power, hence the "weak" ratings.

marketing strategy yung paglabel ng mga auto as having these features.

I don't think D4D has VGT at the moment.

[Horsepower]

AFAIK, the 3.0 D4D has a Variable Geometry Turbo.

yung 2.5 rin ata meron, pero walang intercooler. Tuned yung 2.5 for economy instead of power, hence the "weak" ratings.

marketing strategy yung paglabel ng mga auto as having these features.

To put things into perspective, a 2.2L CRDI engine (First gen) produces 154hp/343Nm (Euro IV compliant). The 2nd gen 2.2L CRDI VGT produces 212hp/461Nm (Euro V compliant). The 2010 Sorento features this engine although detuned to only produce 200hp because 2010 Santa Fe will also use the same engine albeit at a higher tuning (230hp hopefully).

A first generation 3.0 CRDI EVGT (veracruz) produces 240hp/460Nm though that is a v6 config.

All three engines use BorgWarner turbochargers.

Mind you, these aren't guzzlers. Sobrang tipid nga e so I don't think it's a question of economy. Big cars + weak engines = bad fuel mileage.

i.e. Accent: Small car + ridiculously powerful engine = great fuel mileage.

The "marketing strategies", if they are, will work only to those who are technically inclined, those who actually understand what these figures mean, not those who take things at face value (i.e. if it is popular(/sells a lot) it must be good theory which obviously is a lopsided argument).

[numbah5]

AFAIK, the 3.0 D4D has a Variable Geometry Turbo.

yung 2.5 rin ata meron, pero walang intercooler. Tuned yung 2.5 for economy instead of power, hence the "weak" ratings.

marketing strategy yung paglabel ng mga auto as having these features.

To put things into perspective, a 2.2L CRDI engine (First gen) produces 154hp/343Nm (Euro IV compliant). The 2nd gen 2.2L CRDI VGT produces 212hp/461Nm (Euro V compliant). The 2010 Sorento features this engine although detuned to only produce 200hp because 2010 Santa Fe will also use the same engine albeit at a higher tuning (230hp hopefully).

A first generation 3.0 CRDI EVGT (veracruz) produces 240hp/460Nm though that is a v6 config.

All three engines use BorgWarner turbochargers.

Mind you, these aren't guzzlers. Sobrang tipid nga e so I don't think it's a question of economy. Big cars + weak engines = bad fuel mileage.

i.e. Accent: Small car + ridiculously powerful engine = great fuel mileage.

The "marketing strategies", if they are, will work only to those who are technically inclined, those who actually understand what these figures mean, not those who take things at face value (i.e. if it is popular(/sells a lot) it must be good theory which obviously is a lopsided argument).

I don't think D4D has VGT at the moment.

Toyota does employ VGT on their 2.5, 3.0, and 4.5 V8 D-4Ds. They only detuned the horsepower and torque ratings here in ASEAN because of the diesel quality we have here(Euro II-Euro III).

On the other hand, why Hyundai, Kia, the European carmakers, Mitsubishi, Nissan, and Isuzu kept the original hp and Nm ratings on their CRDi engines because even though our diesel quality is still low compared to other countries, they are confident that the engines will not be damage by the sulfur-laden diesel we have.

[parakitoJDM]

To put things into perspective, a 2.2L CRDI engine (First gen) produces 154hp/343Nm (Euro IV compliant). The 2nd gen 2.2L CRDI VGT produces 212hp/461Nm (Euro V compliant). The 2010 Sorento features this engine although detuned to only produce 200hp because 2010 Santa Fe will also use the same engine albeit at a higher tuning (230hp hopefully).

A first generation 3.0 CRDI EVGT (veracruz) produces 240hp/460Nm though that is a v6 config.

All three engines use BorgWarner turbochargers.

Mind you, these aren't guzzlers. Sobrang tipid nga e so I don't think it's a question of economy. Big cars + weak engines = bad fuel mileage.

i.e. Accent: Small car + ridiculously powerful engine = great fuel mileage.

The "marketing strategies", if they are, will work only to those who are technically inclined, those who actually understand what these figures mean, not those who take things at face value (i.e. if it is popular(/sells a lot) it must be good theory which obviously is a lopsided argument).

ser "Horsepower" just merely stating the facts....
for the 2.2li Common rail turbo diesel category... now Hyundai is not the top dog.... their engine as u said is rated 150hp.... take note that it belongs to the Mazda 2.2 MZR-CD which cranks out a respectable 185hp. that is available fm. Jan. 2009 in Europe (only) in their Mazda6 (soon in the Mazda3 too).
Before that, it belong to Toyota, fm. end of 2007 they already have the 175hp version loaded into Toyota Verso and RAV4. and in 2008 its available in the Lexus IS good for 180hp....then again only in Europe....

so back to Hyundai. take note that R2.2 is not yet available in any market (nowhere outside Korea).... of course it will come soon - within the year? when it does. it will claim that title of best Asian 2.2li CRDI (better than the Japanese, but still short of the 205hp of the Mercedez in the 2.2CD) .
and already official numbers fm. Hyundai/Kia is 197ps (its systems international version of horsepower) or 195hp. have to remind you once again, the 212ps they announced is a laboratory / development model. AND NOT COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE.... and of course we are all talking - factory specs, no modification / or ECU tuning (aka CHIP'png).

so back to the topic,
(1) do i want this R2.2? oh yes definitely! would i buy one? not sure, although i want it, i really don't need the power....and besides
I DON'T SEE THE VALUE for money Hyundai/Kia have in other parts of the world. if it were 20 to 30% cheaper than Toyota as they are in other parts of the world. i might jump on it.... but not in our Shores...

(2) Should we castigate Toyota Philippines/ Asia for bringing in inferior Diesel engines compared to Hyundai/Kia? Yes Most Definitely!
but i don't think they will understand our message as long as there are still thousands of other people buying in droves MS Montero Sport 2.5/3.2 DiD and Toyota Fortuner's 2.5/3.0 D4D.

[scharnhorst]

To put things into perspective, a 2.2L CRDI engine (First gen) produces 154hp/343Nm (Euro IV compliant). The 2nd gen 2.2L CRDI VGT produces 212hp/461Nm (Euro V compliant). The 2010 Sorento features this engine although detuned to only produce 200hp because 2010 Santa Fe will also use the same engine albeit at a higher tuning (230hp hopefully).

A first generation 3.0 CRDI EVGT (veracruz) produces 240hp/460Nm though that is a v6 config.

All three engines use BorgWarner turbochargers.

Mind you, these aren't guzzlers. Sobrang tipid nga e so I don't think it's a question of economy. Big cars + weak engines = bad fuel mileage.

i.e. Accent: Small car + ridiculously powerful engine = great fuel mileage.

The "marketing strategies", if they are, will work only to those who are technically inclined, those who actually understand what these figures mean, not those who take things at face value (i.e. if it is popular(/sells a lot) it must be good theory which obviously is a lopsided argument).

Hanren, Horsepower, may VGT ang toyota.

specifically on the 1KD-FTV (the 3.0 liter engine found on the Fortuner/Hilux).

"Variable Nozzle Turbo" ang tawag nila. This is sourced from Toyota Philippines.

Regarding these low-displacement, high-output diesels, my only worry is that the early torque "plateau" gets lost, and is replaced by a peak, just like what happened to the YDDTi.

Anyhow, I'm really excited with how diesel engines are today. These figures were unimaginable 10 years ago! There's even the development of high-compression, turbocharged, and common-rail direct injected gasoline engines, whose torque numbers are comparable to oil-burners.

I'm just hoping that the fuel issues (marumi raw diba. kaya yung mga high performance engines e di pa dinadala dito.) for all the manufacturers get resolved soon.

[immolator]

congrats on Hyundai for making the Genesis Sedan. and it won American Car of the year award fm. some magazine. that bodes well for their new found engineering and craftsmanship.

i think they have to thank themselves for striving really hard...as well as the Japanese. like Mitsubishi, where they learned most of their technology and of late from pirating and getting Toyota Spies.... they sure emulate them well. building nice transportation appliances .....

and back on the Genesis, congrats on Aisin for supplying them the best 6A/T for the V6 and for ZF (German company) for supplying them with 6A/T for the V8.....

sorry for nitpicking but this seems very strange....


ZF is another separate company - entity. they are transmission specialist....

i think for long term success in the Philippines, they wont gain much market share siguro sa atin due to two major hindrance....
* Pricing: here is where we don't see the value for money of their cars..... because they don't get tax break fm. the Government kasi they don't have local manufacturing like Toyota/Honda..... kaya ang full CBU cars nila would always be at dis-advantage price-wise....

* Low Quality Perception: well, this one they can overcome - in time. as long as they are relentless in providing people with high-quality cars/autos' this will change.

Thnx for the correction!! I did some research and found that the fourth pic not ZF but it's 6-Speed Transaxle developed by Hyundai last December that will be implemented in '09 Azera, Genesis, Santa Fe, Armanti, and the all new Sorento(but not in '09 EQUUS :<). They say this new 6-Speed Transaxle will improve fuel economy by 12.2% from the previous one.

[Negus]

kelan kaya maglalabas ng true 4x4 offroad type SUV ang hyundai. I'm thinking something like the landcruiser, nissan patrol and land rovers.
The Vera Cruz doesn't count.

edit meron pala:
hyundai terracan


source: http://www.netcarshow.com/hyundai/2005-terracan/

It still looks like the old hyundai/kia design.
if they can update this to compete with the landcruisers. kumpleto na.