2009 Hyundai genesis coupe

[av8or5]

wait a sec.. are you guys telling me that your genesis coupe is having difficulties going up steep or inclined roads? and its not even about the height of the car that's the problem but the mechanics that's the problem?

no problem with engine, power, etc..its the design..its a sports car, therefore, the chasis dont move much..in short..if the road is not level, umaangat nga ang isa gulong sa likod. just like what renzo_d10 mentioned.

ive seen several genesis coupe's who's having a hard time going up inclined, steep, twisted & narrow paths.

yung iba umaangat yung gulong ( usually r/r side ) habang paakyat.

[Deeges]

Ahh ganun pala. Any tips when forced to traverse these kinds of roads(assuming one is alone in the car)? Pag may kasama I assume paupuin muna yung kasama sa likod so that may weight para makaakyat.

[caster]

You don't have to go far. Try the basement parking here at St. Gile's hotel in Makati. Going back up is a nightmarish experience. The first time I did it, I only had a quarter of tank of fuel and no passengers. I had to turn off Traction Control otherwise the car just won't go up. It's a good thing we've got LSD in our rear diffs. But there is still a lot of wheel spin before the LSD grabs.

The second time I did it, I made sure I had a full tank of gas. I then requested two security guard to ride at the back seat. This time, going up was easy as both rear tires were firmly on the pavement.

Driving it in Baguio is far different from driving in Manila. in Baguio, you get multiple inclined roads, some straight and some are even turning...always a challenge in every corner. there was even a time i felt embarrassed my car couldn't go up the inclined slope due to lack of traction.

I think you'll be better at mastering the traction of the GCs in Baguio than here in Manila. one, two, or even three basement parking cannot compare to the multiple inclinations in Baguio.

[daumingshirts]

The best tip is to avoid those kinds of roads. Have an alternate route in mind. Pag gamit ko nga GC ko iba ang routa ko pauwin vs yun daily driven. If you cant avoid it ayusin mo lang approach mo. The rear tire lift only happens when you turn going up an incline. Just try to make a wider turn para as much as possible both wheels are on the ground pag pa incline. Best is to avoid na lang inclined parking lots. The car is not made naman to go up parking lot inclines. Some parking malls na OK ang GC: are eastwood mall and rockwell, Nadala ko na din sa resort world with no problems.

Never encountered lost traction on an incline kaya hindi ko pa talaga alam ang gagawin. But if ever I might turn off the TC and use my hand brakes (hanapin ko yun bite point na kaya ng ng kotse umandar at the same time hindi babagsak)

I drive a manual baka iba ang technique sa automatic.

[Deeges]

Great info bro. Will definitely keep these in mind if I need to pass steep and inclined roads. Thanks!

[FWC]

I'm not so sure about the manual, but with the A/T, if you are in "D" and you lose traction at any of the rear wheels, the Electronic Traction Control comes on and the car will not move, either forward or backward. You have to put it in "R" to make it back down. What I do is to turn off the Traction Control. Since we have limited slip differentials at the rear, what happens is if one wheel slips, power is moved to the other wheel until both wheels gains traction again. Nakakatakot lang when one wheel starts to slip and then grabs again. Pakiramdam mo, sumasayad under chassis mo.

[niky]

no problem with engine, power, etc..its the design..its a sports car, therefore, the chasis dont move much..in short..if the road is not level, umaangat nga ang isa gulong sa likod. just like what renzo_d10 mentioned.

It's more like there isn't enough rear suspension travel to keep both wheels on the ground... then again, there are some ramps where you need the wheel articulation of a live-axle Land Rover with no anti-roll bars to keep both rear wheels on the ground.

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Do note, the differential of the Genesis is helical type, not a clutch type. That one doesn't do any good if one tire is completely off the ground, as you need resistance on both tires for it to work. That's why people are having trouble... because the traction control should still let you climb if the LSD is working properly and both tires are on the ground... if one wheel is in the air, no dice. I've experienced this personally on other vehicles with LSDs.

The Nissan 350Z and 370Z use a viscous type that isn't affected by wheels hanging in the air, but viscous LSDs require more maintenance than helical (helical types only require the same maintenance as regular open differentials... they just use a different fluid). A viscous diff experiences shearing of the fluid if you subject it to too much stress. A helical type will simply keep on working...

[caster]

might be very impractical in the GC but a diff lock switch/option would be appreciated in driving on inclined roads.

[MrGunn]

Wow, that's an eye opener for me. I am planning to buy a Gen Coupe toward early next year, but I live in a Makati Condo with a very steep entry ramp for our parking. Since the Gen coupe has problems going up steep inclines, this made me think if it will still be possible for me to get this car. Our parking ramp is around 45 degrees incline; when its raining, a lot of cars that park in the building have a very difficult time climbing the ramp. I myself have encountered some wheel spinning on the slick ramp (esp when raining).

If the traction control is turned off, would it be possible na kaya for the Gen Coupe to climb our condo parking ramp?

[NeilJohn]

I wouldn't think of it as a problem mate. Our office ramp in Makati is quite challenging as well. I drive a manual so I don't know how different the automatics are with regards the ramps. I just make sure that my approaching angle is ok and all is well.

Wow, that's an eye opener for me. I am planning to buy a Gen Coupe toward early next year, but I live in a Makati Condo with a very steep entry ramp for our parking. Since the Gen coupe has problems going up steep inclines, this made me think if it will still be possible for me to get this car. Our parking ramp is around 45 degrees incline; when its raining, a lot of cars that park in the building have a very difficult time climbing the ramp. I myself have encountered some wheel spinning on the slick ramp (esp when raining).

If the traction control is turned off, would it be possible na kaya for the Gen Coupe to climb our condo parking ramp?

[daumingshirts]

Wow, that's an eye opener for me. I am planning to buy a Gen Coupe toward early next year, but I live in a Makati Condo with a very steep entry ramp for our parking. Since the Gen coupe has problems going up steep inclines, this made me think if it will still be possible for me to get this car. Our parking ramp is around 45 degrees incline; when its raining, a lot of cars that park in the building have a very difficult time climbing the ramp. I myself have encountered some wheel spinning on the slick ramp (esp when raining).

If the traction control is turned off, would it be possible na kaya for the Gen Coupe to climb our condo parking ramp?

TC on or TC off, if cars with no TC will slip chances are the GC will too. Road surface/tire na yun prob dyan not the car. If yun rear tire lift ang prob. Like what others suggested just fix you approach angle. There is a new learning curve when you drive a GC. From the stiff clutch to the RWD layout and sports suspension even yun rear wind shield is not normal ang liit walang makita. You'll get adjusted to it eventually. Isipin mo na lang stepping stone ang GC to owning a Porsche (or what ever supercar you fancy) in the near future.

[NeilJohn]

I agree with the learning curve especially with the stiff clutch, which I got used to in time. Although I don't find the rear view visibility insufficient, the view you will get from the side mirrors is more than enough to compensate for the 'limited' rear view. I was surprised when I turned the steering wheel and the nose just followed immediately. Being used to FWD understeer, the steering response was a revelation for me. I don't do track runs but going through the uphill and downhill curves on the way to Las Casas Filipinas de Acuzar, Bagac, Bataan is quite a satisfying experience. Go for the GC MgGunn, you won't regret it!

TC on or TC off, if cars with no TC will slip chances are the GC will too. Road surface/tire na yun prob dyan not the car. If yun rear tire lift ang prob. Like what others suggested just fix you approach angle. There is a new learning curve when you drive a GC. From the stiff clutch to the RWD layout and sports suspension even yun rear wind shield is not normal ang liit walang makita. You'll get adjusted to it eventually. Isipin mo na lang stepping stone ang GC to owning a Porsche (or what ever supercar you fancy) in the near future.

[FWC]

If it's just a matter of wheel slippage, turning off the ATC may help. Just gun the engine and the LSD will do it's job, moving power from the slipping wheel to the one which has more traction. Eventually, you'll be able to inch up.

As Daumingshirt stated, the problem comes in when one wheel is off the surface. Then, even turning the ATC won't work. It's either you load up the back so that both wheels are firmly on the surface, or just have someone push you up until both wheels can grab a hold.

[regaia]

Has anyone tried using the hand-brake (lightly) while one of the rear wheels is up? I remember that in some cars using the hand-brake to simulate friction would allow it to climb. Just curious lang po if it works with the GC

[MrGunn]

Wow, thanks for the quick reply guys!

Going down our ramp, one rear wheel always leaves the ground but that's not going to be an issue since gravity will do its part in moving the car down. Occasionally the the D-side rear wheel goes up on the way up the ramp if the approach is too tight. I'm really sold on getting the Gen coupe and its good to know that it can still handle steep ramps as long as its done properly.

Now all I have to consider is the ride height, since my Civic FD's nose scrapes the street every time I go down the ramp, and the Gen Coupe's snout is considerably lower. That is where a test drive will come into play. Hopefully kayanin naman.

[daumingshirts]

Has anyone tried using the hand-brake (lightly) while one of the rear wheels is up? I remember that in some cars using the hand-brake to simulate friction would allow it to climb. Just curious lang po if it works with the GC

If one rear wheel is up wala din yan malamang. First time ko na experience yun rear tire lift I did that. Wala! Its either hindi talaga pwede or its my driving skills.

[daumingshirts]

Check na lang yun neighbors' cars in your condo parking. Baka may GC dun or somewhat same na RWD cars. You can't really compare it to FWDs eh. Walang problema ang FWD sa rear tire lift. Kahit 2 gulong pa sa likod umakyat dyan aabante pa din yan.

Sa eastwood mall basement parking I have no problem going up or down sa parking ramps nila. Maybe you can use that as a gauge. Its quite steep.

Good luck on the test drive!

[Deeges]

Good to hear na kinakaya niya ang eastwood parking medyo steep nga. Thanks sa info.

*regaia

Bro dati pa kita gusto i-pm kaso puno na raw inbox mo hehe.

[FWC]

If one rear wheel is up wala din yan malamang. First time ko na experience yun rear tire lift I did that. Wala! Its either hindi talaga pwede or its my driving skills.

Maybe, as Niky explained, it's due to the kind of LSD we have. Kasi sa offroad trails, talagang ginagawa namin yan sa mga 4x4s and it really helps, especially sa may mga front open diffs. Just step lightly on the brakes para matigil yung pag free spin ng mga gulong na nawalan ng traction and power will immediately be transferred to the wheels which have traction.

[regaia]

Hoped the idea would work, ang hirap pa naman umatras pag mahaba ang pila papasok sa parking building. Just imagine na paatrasin mo lahat ng nasa likod mo na sasakyan para lang maibaba mo ung gulong hahaha

* MrGunn
Same observation tayo, the front bumper clearance ng GC medyo mababa pero yung clearance niya sa gitna from wheel to wheel (sorry hindi ko alam ung term eh ) adequate naman . nakakatakot tuloy tumabi sa side walk.

* Deeges
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