2008 Hyundai Starex (Gen. 4)

[CVT]

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Sir CVT, Why did you get a Gen4 with TCi engine when there is a CRDI-VGT engine available? Isn't the TCi engine underpowered? In terms of Fuel Consumption, which is more economical, the TCi engine or the CRDI-VGT engine? TIA

Sorry for the late response bro, as I was out of circulation for a while.

Please refer to GSTM9's response a few logs after your entry.

My budget and driving requirements point me towards TCi. However, I'd say that the TCi is not underpowered on the GS. I've driven the GS in Bitukang Manok in Atimonan, Quezon, in Kennon Road and Marcos Hiway in Baguio, and in the 4x4 Trail in Bolinao, Pangasinan (accidentally), and I'd say that the engine's performance is not wanting.

I'd even say its response is better than the Gen3's TCi....

Now, if you want more hhmmmpppp, and you have the extra P300K,- then go for the VGT, bro.....

10.8K:lalala:

[jovill]

Sorry for the late response bro, as I was out of circulation for a while.

Please refer to GSTM9's response a few logs after your entry.

My budget and driving requirements point me towards TCi. However, I'd say that the TCi is not underpowered on the GS. I've driven the GS in Bitukang Manok in Atimonan, Quezon, in Kennon Road and Marcos Hiway in Baguio, and in the 4x4 Trail in Bolinao, Pangasinan (accidentally), and I'd say that the engine's performance is not wanting.

I'd even say its response is better than the Gen3's TCi....

Now, if you want more hhmmmpppp, and you have the extra P300K,- then go for the VGT, bro.....

10.8K:lalala:

Which of the two do you think has the higher maintenance cost in the long term? Say after 5 years. I am also torn between getting a TCI or a CRDI A/T. I have a Kia Carens CRDI and I would say that the power is really awesome. But I don't really need that kind of pull in a van as I would really be having my family in tow for much of the travel. I am just concerned of the durability between the two engines. For all those who had TCi engines in previous starex models, how long did the engine start to lose the pulling power and fuel efficiency from its initial state?

TIA.

[CVT]

Long term, I'd say that the CRDi variant has the higher maintenance cost....

10.8K:lalala:

[GSTM9]

Which of the two do you think has the higher maintenance cost in the long term? Say after 5 years. I am also torn between getting a TCI or a CRDI A/T. I have a Kia Carens CRDI and I would say that the power is really awesome. But I don't really need that kind of pull in a van as I would really be having my family in tow for much of the travel. I am just concerned of the durability between the two engines. For all those who had TCi engines in previous starex models, how long did the engine start to lose the pulling power and fuel efficiency from its initial state?

TIA.

Long term, I'd say that the CRDi variant has the higher maintenance cost....

10.8K:lalala:

CVT is correct. The cost of maintaining a higher end engine is usually higher than the basic turbocharged engine (which is the TCi). Let me give a few examples:

1. CRDi uses 8 liters vs. 7 liters for the TCi every oil change. In reality, the TCi only uses 6 liters but the casa pegs it at 7 liters.
2. Most labor charges for the CRDi are higher by about 10% vs. the TCi.
3. The base level TCi has drum brakes for the rear while the CRDi uses disc brakes. Obviously the disc brakes wear out faster, and they cost over P6K at the casa.
4. The CRDi uses a multi-belt (cost almost P3K) which is replaced every 40K km. vs. 2 timing belts for the TCi (cost about P6K). So they're not far from each other in this department.
5. If the CRDi unit encounters trouble, then that's a bigtime expense ticket!

I'd say the difference is about 10-15% higher for the CRDi. Not that significant but still probably tens of thousands of pesos over the lifespan of the Grand Starex!

[cocoy]

just want to asked.. doesnt the CRDI have timing chains? and the TCI have timing belts.. plus 2 belts for the alternator and water pump and fan.. and 1 belt for the aircon compressor and 1 belt for the power steering?

[CVT]

Bro. AFAIK, the TCi engine has timing chain. I am almost certain too, that the CRDi variant has timing chain, too. As for the other belts,- hhmmm,- I will need to check them out...

10.8K:lalala:

[jovill]

CVT is correct. The cost of maintaining a higher end engine is usually higher than the basic turbocharged engine (which is the TCi). Let me give a few examples:

1. CRDi uses 8 liters vs. 7 liters for the TCi every oil change. In reality, the TCi only uses 6 liters but the casa pegs it at 7 liters.
2. Most labor charges for the CRDi are higher by about 10% vs. the TCi.
3. The base level TCi has drum brakes for the rear while the CRDi uses disc brakes. Obviously the disc brakes wear out faster, and they cost over P6K at the casa.
4. The CRDi uses a multi-belt (cost almost P3K) which is replaced every 40K km. vs. 2 timing belts for the TCi (cost about P6K). So they're not far from each other in this department.
5. If the CRDi unit encounters trouble, then that's a bigtime expense ticket!

I'd say the difference is about 10-15% higher for the CRDi. Not that significant but still probably tens of thousands of pesos over the lifespan of the Grand Starex!

Thanks CVT and GSTM9 for the response! Time to go to the dealers...

[fast lane]

just a quick inquiry, mga Starex owners.

vehicle is Starex VGT. Normal ba na upon starting sa umaga, may WHITE SMOKE na binubuga but after 3 secs, clear na naman...

sorry for this question, medyo nanibago lang coz in other diesel vehicles, black smoke sya and mas matagal ang buga bago mag-clear.

thnx

VGT owner here, 55K kms

maybe its due to the moisture inside the exhaust system, basta puti smoke, water lang yan sir, if nawawala naman ok lang yun,

pag steady white smoke may water leak head gasket papunta combustion chamber yan for older diesel, tapos pag blue smoke oil naman ang may leak sumasama sa combustion, at pag black smoke incomplete combustion isama mo na soot at sulfur content ng diesel na di naman nasusunog

san ba sir location nyo? super malamig ba sa inyo pag umaga?


HTH

[cocoy]

Bro. AFAIK, the TCi engine has timing chain. I am almost certain too, that the CRDi variant has timing chain, too. As for the other belts,- hhmmm,- I will need to check them out...

10.8K:lalala:

wow if they changed the timing belt system of the D4BH engine to have timing chains then i guess that would be a better system..i guess it wasnt just the injection pump that they up graded.. sana ginawa nalang din nila direct injection ang TCi engine para matipid narin..

[ocdmonochrome]

*claRkEnt

Same input as fast lane, normal lang iyan. Hindi ako diyan nanibago actually, sa smell ako nawindang kasi before nung inistart ko nasa dulo ng garahe kaya nakulob yung usok.