What can we do with a Honda City 2009 Lemon?

[shuzzs]

Hi Guys/Girls,

Maybe you can help my friend about her lemon car...

She bought the car last July 2009. It's a Honda City 2009 1.3 Manual.
She bought the unit at Honda Cars Laguna, Sta. Rosa. Near Toyota Parts (;D)

First few days, she noticed that the car is swerving to left even within a few
meters (about 100 meter eh nasa kabilang kalya ka na). She went to the casa to report but they said its tolerable... (ok pinalagpas)

Then, when she went to Tagaytay with 3 people on board... ang hina ng hatak.
She reported it to the casa and eventually... umabot na sila sa Honda Philippines sa loob ng Laguna Technopark. (Pina-iksi ko na yun story kasi lumipas na ng 3 months ng pababalik balik).
The test went like this...

There is an incline that has an angle of 17 degrees.
There are 4 person on-board and with the aircon running.
The driver is one of the employees of Honda.
They started to climb the incline and it stopped dead within a few meters.
(baka driver error lang daw...) So, he hand-braked the car... started it... pressed on the gas... and release the hand brake...
The car moved a little bit and then died once.
Again.. the same procedure was followed. This time the car is almost at
the peak of the incline. Here when the driver step on the gas... parang di raw
umandar pataas... tapos biglang umatras kahit na nakaapak (daw) sa gas yun driver. By the way... all through the testing... naka-primera (1st gear) lang
daw yun driver.

The problem so far... they told her na wala raw problem yun car.

Ganito ba talaga kahina ang Honda City 2009 1.3 model?

Right now... she is talking her case with DTI. She's still waiting.

What she wants is for Honda Philippines or Honda Cars Laguna to fix the problem of the car...


What do you think can she do about her case?

Thanks in advance.

Right now, she wished she did not sell her Civic EK and buy the Honda City...

[ghosthunter]

Did Honda do a comparison test with another 2009 City 1.3L unit?

Its just like the "diagnosis" of Honda Shaw that my brother's CRV engine needed an overhaul after a compression test. But my brother insisted on doing a comparison test on another similar unit ready for release. And the compression test results was exactly the same, meaning the diagnosis is really a mis-diagnosis that might have resulted in a very expensive and unneeded repair bill.

[istan]

I would've think that the City 1.3L M/T can make it at first gear.
Something's terribly wrong w/ the car. What the heck is wrong w/ Honda, its so obvious.

Kung lahat ng City 1.3L M/T ganun. Lahat yan, di makaka-akyat ng Baguio. Lalo na yun 1.3L A/T.

Honda =

[Chadmack]

para namang nakakaloko yun. i've seen cherry QQ with 4 people in it making it throught the sta rosa-tagaytay road! tapos yan, city nde kaya?

sana nga nakapag comparison testing, good luck sa case mo, hope justice will prevail.

pero nakakaloko talaga yung sinasabi nila sayo tsk tsk tsk

[night_raven]

maybe you could suggest to your friend that she make the DTI people insist on Honda in doing the comparison test on another Honda City like the one she bought in Honda Philippines Laguna Technopark so as they could really see if there is a difference or not.

if the Honda people make excuses or refuse to comply with the comparison test, then... (here is where you can make a conclusion for yourself).

[BratPAQ]

ive driven an aveo 1.4 with 3 persons inside on the incline of tagaytay, including palace in the sky which i think has the steepest incline, ok naman, walang sabit, nakaya ng kotse. i think aveo is the counterpart of city in chevrolet. dapat kaya yan. the fact na ilang beses na kayong pabalik-balik means walang balak palitan ng casa ang car, dont expect na out of the blue bigla na lang aakuin ng casa ang problema. kailangan na yan ng DTI.

[DREAMWORKS]

ive driven an aveo 1.4 with 3 persons inside on the incline of tagaytay, including palace in the sky which i think has the steepest incline, ok naman, walang sabit, nakaya ng kotse. i think aveo is the counterpart of city in chevrolet. dapat kaya yan. the fact na ilang beses na kayong pabalik-balik means walang balak palitan ng casa ang car, dont expect na out of the blue bigla na lang aakuin ng casa ang problema. kailangan na yan ng DTI.

There is a law which protects consumer from buying a lemon car...if i were you, send them a "lawyer's demand" letter demanding replacement of the unit. You have a strong case against the dealer..... fight for your right....its pretty obvious that the car has a problem... my car's wife is a Hyundai i10 with only 1.1 engine but it manages to travel going Tagaytay with 3 passengers.... thanks God my 2009 Honda City 1.5 liter is ok naman....

[ghosthunter]

In cases like this, it is best to have a "name-brand" lawyer sending CC copies of the request memo to all people involved, including the DTI.

Suddenly things will start happening and the car will magically get fixed without charge.

[renzo_d10]

^^ Or maybe replaced without charge ?

Anyways to the TS. Yes have your friend reported it in DTi since a lot of money has been spent over the car that shouldn't be giving her such headaches and problems.

I agree with GH. Have a comparison test with a unit that has a same displacement and transmission.

About the question...

" Ganito ba talaga kahina ang Honda City 2009 1.3 model? "

No. Heck, even an alto could do that.

[basti08]

wala naman talagang torque ang honda sa akyatan! hahahahaha :rotf:

[shuzzs]

Thanks for all your inputs.

The comparison test is indeed a good idea.
I will forward your suggestion to her.

"Kung lahat ng City 1.3L M/T ganun. Lahat yan, di makaka-akyat ng Baguio. Lalo na yun 1.3L A/T."

Yun nga ang sinabi ko sa kanya... may limitation ba ang Honda City na hindi pwede umakyat sa Baguio pag-apat ang nakasakay at nang nakabukas ang aircon.

Tapos I just remembered na may comment daw ang isang mekaniko ng Honda (sa plant) na huwag na raw pilitin kasi may nangangamoy na raw. (Sorry. Di ko na inexpound yun "amoy".)

Ganito ba talaga ang mga car dealers... pag-binili mo na eh you're stuck with it.
Kasi kahit ang mekaniko may alam na may problema pero sinasabi nilang wala.
(I guess kahit sa anong gamit ganito rin diba... cellphone... laptop... washing machine... etc. Pero kotse ito... malaking pera ang nilabas dito.)

Tapos may isang comment pa raw ang isang taga-Honda (di na ata mekaniko yun) na hindi daw nag-papalit ng unit ang Honda... hmm... I hope di ito totoo.

"In cases like this, it is best to have a "name-brand" lawyer sending CC copies of the request memo to all people involved, including the DTI."

I guess this is the way to go... Thanks bro. I'll tell her that she try this approach. I think people in the plant will cover any issues with the unit. However, it's still the upper management who has the final say.

[marv0083]

Thanks for all your inputs.

The comparison test is indeed a good idea.
I will forward your suggestion to her.

"Kung lahat ng City 1.3L M/T ganun. Lahat yan, di makaka-akyat ng Baguio. Lalo na yun 1.3L A/T."

Yun nga ang sinabi ko sa kanya... may limitation ba ang Honda City na hindi pwede umakyat sa Baguio pag-apat ang nakasakay at nang nakabukas ang aircon.

Tapos I just remembered na may comment daw ang isang mekaniko ng Honda (sa plant) na huwag na raw pilitin kasi may nangangamoy na raw. (Sorry. Di ko na inexpound yun "amoy".)

Ganito ba talaga ang mga car dealers... pag-binili mo na eh you're stuck with it.
Kasi kahit ang mekaniko may alam na may problema pero sinasabi nilang wala.
(I guess kahit sa anong gamit ganito rin diba... cellphone... laptop... washing machine... etc. Pero kotse ito... malaking pera ang nilabas dito.)

Tapos may isang comment pa raw ang isang taga-Honda (di na ata mekaniko yun) na hindi daw nag-papalit ng unit ang Honda... hmm... I hope di ito totoo.

"In cases like this, it is best to have a "name-brand" lawyer sending CC copies of the request memo to all people involved, including the DTI."

I guess this is the way to go... Thanks bro. I'll tell her that she try this approach. I think people in the plant will cover any issues with the unit. However, it's still the upper management who has the final say.

Officemate ko naka 3 palit na sa honda he hired a lawyer to sue honda phil and charge them for every day they don't fix the car apparently they gave him a buy back option and some discounts for his new CRV his car was a Civic FD by the way then turned into a CRV with a 5 year warranty and lots of accessories then after a year his CRV now has some problems they can't fix again. He returned it to honda they offered buy back option hope this helps now he got his money but with depreciation

[renzo_d10]

Honda will not do its job until you sue/report them.

Maybe your friend will have the same line as Psylocke does....

Had One Never Did Again

Every car owner should be expecting a lengthy non-problematic years with their newly bought brand new cars, no matter what brand nor how much was it.

I just can't believe that Honda can't do anything with your friend's car despite their continuous price increase .

[basti08]

That's so much for Honda's superiority.

Lemon by Honda hahahaha...

[Djerms]

I find the city's 1.5 engine sluggish and really lacks torque, what more with a 1.3L.

[ghosthunter]

I find the city's 1.5 engine sluggish and really lacks torque, what more with a 1.3L.

The current City 1.3L is actually worst than the previous model. Somehow the previous model seems to have more "go" than the current model.

[Djerms]

^Really? And I thought that the current city/Jazz model suffered some FC increase due to a more performance tuned set-up.

Anyway, I think going uphill in a 1.3L city will be pretty sluggish but not to the point that the engine will bog down specially on a brand new ride - but it could also be attributed to driver error. IMO rev the engine high.

[ghosthunter]

^Really? And I thought that the current city/Jazz model suffered some FC increase due to a more performance tuned set-up.

The same observation (lack of power from the City 1.3L) was also mentioned by other motoring journalists I was able to chat with.

The increase in FC would come from the use of a conventional A/T tranny over the CVT used in the previous model City/Jazz.

[alwayz_yummy]

ganyan din ba ang GE jazz 1.5v?

[Lanchong]

Guys yung City 1.3 manual ko wala namang problem. Given na yung di sya ganung kalakas pag dating sa akyatan at accelaration dahil 1.3L lang sya pero kaya naman. Pero try ko pa rin sya itest bukas, iaakyat ko sya bukas sa pataas na lugar (mountain area).

Bigyan ko kayo ng feedback bukas.