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  1. Join Date
    May 2007
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    #1
    Mga sir / experts sa honda,

    I am planning to put stage 1 mods on my 95 esi A/T. is it safe to upgrade IHE pag matic? this is the max mod i want to do on my esi with regards to engine performance. egnine is well maintaned, no leaks or whatsoever. Castrol maintained engine oils, newly flushed AT fluid (used honda ATF Z-1). I also have a port and polished cylinder head.

    now here's what i want to know:
    -what are your recommendations on intake (i dont want cold air intake, just want a short ram intake that has increased diameter)
    -if intake lang papalitan ko, ramdam ko na ba agad lakas?
    -or do i need to modify headers and exhaust as well para ma max ko yung upgrade?
    -any suggestions on headers and exhaust? i dont want a noisy muffler, i want it silent and yet free flowing
    -based form my research sabe nila better breathing = more power, so does this mean increased diameter ng intakes as well as headers and exhaust? ganun ba yng sistema talga?
    -what will happen if i keep the stock headers and exhaust but upgrade the intake?
    -lastly, can you give me a ball park figure kung magkano intake, headers and exhaust na pnaka ok sa honda esi 95 ko. yun lang mga sir... maraming salamat!

  2. Join Date
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    #2
    so here's your case:

    ph16 (a non-vtec) port and polished head
    stock IHE
    4 speed matic

    *for intake, cheapest best value is simota tube with knn cone-type (around 4.5k sa banawe, tabi ng autocircuit)

    *very subtle to no feel on power pag intake lang on stock headers and muffs, lalo na po sa matic

    *modify headers and exhaust? depends up to what extent are you willing to up them.

    are you willing to remove the resonator? increase mid/downpipes diameters? go free-flow muffs and compromise added noise?

    less restrictive exhaust > more hp on high rpm can be felt = more low-end torque you compromise to lose

    more low-end torque you lose > mas matakaw sa gas (i suppose hindi ka naman magd-drag, so why need high-end power that often diba?)

    * want silent, free-flow muffs?
    ask gh. he has one, customized.

    * better breathing = more power?
    not right away, kahit naka port n polish ka pa.

    in this case, if you bolt on the knn, you only have more air in. if you run on stock fuel maps, kahit nireset mo pa yung ecu mo after the install, you wont feel much difference.

    I have the short ram in my d15b. even after the ecu reset, subtle pa rin ang feel of increased power, if any. (runs on stock headers and free-flow muffs)

    * keep stock H-E and go short ram?
    in my case, it's short ram > d15b m/t > stock 421 headers and midpipes (and anything in between) > free-flow muffs

    result = I still have lots of useful low-end and mid-end power. matipid sa gas. medyo hirap lang si engine sa exhaust pag near redline na on high, but still it reaches and can sustain 180+ kph

    * ball park figs?

    KNN cone-type with simota tube = P4500
    421 crush bent headers (sa fremuff) = P3800
    421 mandrelbent headers (sa mufflerland) = P5900 yung aluminized (P13500 yung stainless)

    muffs with optional silencer (apex-i copy sa fremuff) = P4500

    Sir, advise lang, come to think of this:
    Honda sohcs yield relatively high outputs using vtec wildcams on sustained high rpms.

    You don't have both. Why?

    - No wildcams, kasi non-vtec yang ph16 stock engine
    - No sustained high rpms (expect on top gear), kasi it's matic (w/o manual override)

    You feel the power gains from IHE mods most especially on mid to high rpms.

    Im no honda expert, just my two-cents worth po. Hope it helps

  3. Join Date
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    #3
    Suggest you save more and get a d15b with manual transmission.
    You can get one for as low as 30K, i think.

    stock d15bs can yield higher outputs compared to stock, pnp'd ph16s, because of the vtec.

    you get an engine with better fuel economy with higher power on your beck as compared to your stock.

  4. Join Date
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    #4
    want real power?

    1. aem or iceman intake with knn filter - 12k
    2. full exhaust 2" piping mandrel bent at mufflerland (aluminized pipe with reso) - 12k
    3. jasma muffler - 6k
    4. apexi safc - 6k
    5. wide band tuning - 3k
    6. tranny cooler - 5k

    this upgrades will give you real hp gains that you will feel.

    total cost: 44k

    db15 transplant:

    engine/m/t tranny package - 28k
    install - 5k
    a/t to m/t conversion - 8k
    lto registration - 4k

    total - 45K
    conclusion: go for a d15b m/t transplant. it will cost you almost just the same with more power and more potential.

  5. Join Date
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    #5
    AT transmission.. oks lang IHE diyan.. increase HP ..

    Had mine done at SMT in Mascardo, makati. 8969243 tell them nirefer kita.

    Headers 4.5k
    -ito una ko pinagawa sa Exalta ko matic yun. ramdam ko agad yung gains.

    Intake
    - depende sa iyo.kung madalas ka malulusong sa ulan or madadaanan na baha hindi advisable na mag CAI ka. Short ram lang pwede na

    Exhaust
    - mas ok yung chambered muffler.

    Midpipe
    - ito madalas nagkakamali. 2 3/8 lang wag na sobra dito ayus yung gains. di masyado malaki ang kelangan mo para di mabawasan yung gains.

    addtl : thermal wrap

  6. Join Date
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    #6
    i/h/e on hondas without tuning might increase your hp. but again, it moves your torque curve higher in the rev range resulting to poor fuel consumption. if your the type that gives a go on every chace you get, go for the mods and be happy with the sound it gives. but, if you use your car for daily drive, i will suggest not touching your engine at all.

    you can even test 2 a/t esi, 1 stock, 1 with i/h/e on a drag race. i guarantee you that from standstill, the stock car will win.

  7. Join Date
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    #7
    Quote Originally Posted by karlbo View Post
    Exhaust
    - mas ok yung chambered muffler.
    pag more power need mo free flow mas maingay nga lang.

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    #8
    You get more torque at the lower rpm band with a chambered muffler. Freeflows only free up more power at the higher rpm range.

  9. Join Date
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    #9
    Okay lang sa honda Esi A/T ang I/H/E. Mods. Additional horsepower . Good for daily driving. AEM wai air intake , Aem Dry flow filter , RSR Muffler. 4-2-1 header.

  10. Join Date
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    #10
    Quote Originally Posted by isa1023 View Post
    so here's your case:

    ph16 (a non-vtec) port and polished head
    stock IHE
    4 speed matic

    *for intake, cheapest best value is simota tube with knn cone-type (around 4.5k sa banawe, tabi ng autocircuit)

    *very subtle to no feel on power pag intake lang on stock headers and muffs, lalo na po sa matic

    *modify headers and exhaust? depends up to what extent are you willing to up them.

    are you willing to remove the resonator? increase mid/downpipes diameters? go free-flow muffs and compromise added noise?

    less restrictive exhaust > more hp on high rpm can be felt = more low-end torque you compromise to lose

    more low-end torque you lose > mas matakaw sa gas (i suppose hindi ka naman magd-drag, so why need high-end power that often diba?)

    * want silent, free-flow muffs?
    ask gh. he has one, customized.

    * better breathing = more power?
    not right away, kahit naka port n polish ka pa.

    in this case, if you bolt on the knn, you only have more air in. if you run on stock fuel maps, kahit nireset mo pa yung ecu mo after the install, you wont feel much difference.

    I have the short ram in my d15b. even after the ecu reset, subtle pa rin ang feel of increased power, if any. (runs on stock headers and free-flow muffs)

    * keep stock H-E and go short ram?
    in my case, it's short ram > d15b m/t > stock 421 headers and midpipes (and anything in between) > free-flow muffs

    result = I still have lots of useful low-end and mid-end power. matipid sa gas. medyo hirap lang si engine sa exhaust pag near redline na on high, but still it reaches and can sustain 180+ kph

    * ball park figs?

    KNN cone-type with simota tube = P4500
    421 crush bent headers (sa fremuff) = P3800
    421 mandrelbent headers (sa mufflerland) = P5900 yung aluminized (P13500 yung stainless)

    muffs with optional silencer (apex-i copy sa fremuff) = P4500

    Sir, advise lang, come to think of this:
    Honda sohcs yield relatively high outputs using vtec wildcams on sustained high rpms.

    You don't have both. Why?

    - No wildcams, kasi non-vtec yang ph16 stock engine
    - No sustained high rpms (expect on top gear), kasi it's matic (w/o manual override)

    You feel the power gains from IHE mods most especially on mid to high rpms.

    Im no honda expert, just my two-cents worth po. Hope it helps
    sir, in totality, what would you suggest na pnka ok na upgrade on my matic esi? i suppose in practicality and relatively slight performance increase stand point, i think its much better to go short ram and free flow muffler lang?

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