2020 Honda City

[Egan101]

Anong model ngayon ng car na kailangan sinasaksak pa rin yun key fob sa slot? Meron pa ba?


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Yung Jetta namin, though 2016 model. You need to put in the key and turn it like old cars. The key is inside the FOB.


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[ice15]

What car is this bro? Lahat ng naging kotse ko with smart key hindi nagooff kahit wala ka susi sa kotse. Unless you press the start/stop button of course (which is what probably happened in your case).

Nangyari na nga sakin my wife dropped me off in BGC, drove the car all the way to QC. Dun niya lang napansin wala siya susi, but nakapark naman siya and naoff niya engine. Then pinagrab ko nalang yung car key.

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it was a Mirage I rented (posted a long complain about FC earlier)

paglabas ko ng car, may bell daw na tumunog tapos later namatay yung engine.

my boss' car is same (5 series) -> iniiwan nya yung car na umaandar tapos kapag di sya bumalik after XX mins, mag-off yung engine and lahat ng doors/trunk magsasara. (ganun din yung 7 series ng boss ni wife, and Audi ng friend namin)

[shadow]

Yung Jetta namin, though 2016 model. You need to put in the key and turn it like old cars. The key is inside the FOB.


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What I mean is pushstart pa rin pero meron siyang slot for the FOB.


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[hardwang]

I doubt if there will be any difference with the existing model.


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Fuel efficency and performance, baka meron. Wala pa ba weight na sinabi? Being a wider car, it's possible that this is heavier compared to the previous gen.

[hardwang]

Ha edi ganun din yun kung naka normal alarm ka. Pag napress mo unlock button edi nabuksan niya rin passenger side.

Hindi naman tanga mga magnanakaw, kung gusto ka nakawan, kahit manual de-susi, or old school remote alarm, or smart key, mananakawan ka when they want. Mas madali ka pa nga masalisi if you're in the parking fumbling for your keys, not being aware of your surroundings.

The smart key is SOOOOO much more convenient than an old school key and it comes with virtually zero downside.

Mainit sa outdoor parking? Remote start the engine with the aircon on. Key stuck in your pocket or bag? Lapit ka lang and hawakan door handle. Forgot to lock the car? Walk-away feature locks it automatically.

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Not sure with other cars, but Ford came up with a pretty smart solution for that kind of situation. Yung Focus namin before a software update, pag press ng unlock button once, yung driver's side lang na door ang unlocked. Tapos press twice to unlock all doors.

[Egan101]

Not sure with other cars, but Ford came up with a pretty smart solution for that kind of situation. Yung Focus namin before a software update, pag press ng unlock button once, yung driver's side lang na door ang unlocked. Tapos press twice to unlock all doors.

Same din with my old Fiesta before. 2014 model yun. Also, the unlock button in the car is on the front console so both driver and passenger has easy access to it.


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[jut703]

Sagot sa tanong as to why no 1.0 Turbo:
https://www.autoindustriya.com/auto-...ity-in-ph.html

TLDR - PH market will rather get a cheaper and easier to maintain 1.5 than an expensive 1.0 Turbo

Kaya tip for all online car enthusiasts - speak with your wallet, not with your keyboard. Time and time again, market has shown different buyer preferences vs what you typically read online.

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[hardwang]

Sagot sa tanong as to why no 1.0 Turbo:
https://www.autoindustriya.com/auto-...ity-in-ph.html

TLDR - PH market will rather get a cheaper and easier to maintain 1.5 than an expensive 1.0 Turbo

Kaya tip for all online car enthusiasts - speak with your wallet, not with your keyboard. Time and time again, market has shown different buyer preferences vs what you typically read online.

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Mahal ba talaga basta may turbo? Bakit yung fiesta with the 1.0 ecoboost dati, its priced only at around 900k? It’s not like these Hondas with 1.5L are cheaper. One of the reasons is affordability daw sabi sa article kasi.

[jut703]

Mahal ba talaga basta may turbo? Bakit yung fiesta with the 1.0 ecoboost dati, its priced only at around 900k?

Mas mahal for sure vs a 1.5 NA that already has so much spare parts and supply chain set up. Even if the L15B is DOHC vs SOHC L15A, most parts are interchangeable.

For reference, Ecosport 1.5 NA is 1.1M. 1.0 Ecoboost is 1.19M. So 90k difference.

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[Egan101]

Mahal ba talaga basta may turbo? Bakit yung fiesta with the 1.0 ecoboost dati, its priced only at around 900k? It’s not like these Hondas with 1.5L are cheaper. One of the reasons is affordability daw sabi sa article kasi.

Competitive pricing ng Ford noon with the Fiesta Ecoboost. 898k was its SRP and was about the same as the TOTL City or Jazz. The top-end Fiesta 1.5L NA model was at 868k, cheaper by 30k.


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[hardwang]

Mas mahal for sure vs a 1.5 NA that already has so much spare parts and supply chain set up. Even if the L15B is DOHC vs SOHC L15A, most parts are interchangeable.

For reference, Ecosport 1.5 NA is 1.1M. 1.0 Ecoboost is 1.19M. So 90k difference.

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That 90k difference cannot be totally attributed to the turbo engine alone. May dinagdag pa siguro na ibang features yung Ford sa ecosport na 1.0 ecoboost vs the 1.5 kaya nagkaroon 90k difference.

[17Sphynx17]

Back in 2008 the 1.3 i-Dsi City S CVT sold for 660k, when they launched the 1.3 i-VTEC 4th Quarter of that year had a launch price of 760k. Other than the different design and engine tech, the main "spec" difference I found back then was the additional airbags. I forgot if it was 4 or 6.

So just with napkin math and using a 3% annual inflation rate, 2013 would have inflated the 760k price to 880k.
Using 2% inflation - 2015, 873k, 2016 890k

So, price wise ng 1.5S CVT 2021 City at 878k at least can "make sense" as it is beating the inflation rate. You got a newer and bigger engine, more features I think compared to that 2008/2009 1.3 i-VTEC City.

EDIT: I was curious what the difference size was as well.

2009 City i-VTEC 4395 / 1695 / 1470
2021 City (L/W/H) 4553 / 1748 / 1467

Compare it with a 2001 Compact Sedan (Toyota Altis) 4530 / 1705 / 1500

So, with the above data, I would actually say, the City is a true compact sedan as it is similar size of the 2001 Altis. It is no longer a subcompact as we had come to know it.

[jut703]

That 90k difference cannot be totally attributed to the turbo engine alone. May dinagdag pa siguro na ibang features yung Ford sa ecosport na 1.0 ecoboost vs the 1.5 kaya nagkaroon 90k difference.

Yup pero bottomline mas maliit kita kung turbo ipapasok tapos hindi itataas presyo. Even assuming 30-50k lang incremental cost of the turbo, that's already their whole margin per car (around 5-10% lang ang tubo for ~1M peso cars).

#2, noone gives a crap. How many people bought Ecoboost Ecosports/Fiestas vs the cheaper NA variants?

#3 - performance isn't as good on paper as it is in actuality. Posted a link above of how subjectively the turbo feels laggy which negates the flatter torque curve. Now with DOHC, the L15 also has a flatter powerband so the difference might not be huge.

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[jut703]

Back in 2008 the 1.3 i-Dsi City sold for 660k, when they launched the 1.3 i-VTEC 4th Quarter of that year had a launch price of 760k. Other than the different design and engine tech, the main "spec" difference I found back then was the additional airbags. I forgot if it was 4 or 6.

So just with napkin math and using a 3% annual inflation rate, 2013 would have inflated the 760k price to 880k.
Using 2% inflation - 2015, 873k, 2016 890k

So, price wise ng 1.5S CVT 2021 City at 878k at least can "make sense" as it is beating the inflation rate. You got a newer and bigger engine, more features I think compared to that 2008/2009 1.3 i-VTEC City.

That's the advantage of sourcing from Thailand vs local assembly. Around 75k per car natitipid kung iimport nalang.

So kahit nagbaba sila presyo (VX vs V, VX+ vs RS), HCP still has better margins with this new model.

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[hardwang]

Yup pero bottomline mas maliit kita kung turbo ipapasok tapos hindi itataas presyo. Even assuming 30-50k lang incremental cost of the turbo, that's already their whole margin per car (around 5-10% lang ang tubo for ~1M peso cars).

#2, noone gives a crap. How many people bought Ecoboost Ecosports/Fiestas vs the cheaper NA variants?

#3 - performance isn't as good on paper as it is in actuality. Posted a link above of how subjectively the turbo feels laggy which negates the flatter torque curve. Now with DOHC, the L15 also has a flatter powerband so the difference might not be huge.

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#2 dunno but I’m still seeing quite a number of old fiesta ecoboosts running around. May mga bumili naman because of the hype before. New ecosport wala na masyado. Pwede naman siguro sa city RS, naka turbo hehe. For sure, the RS won’t be the best seller even with the 1.5L NA.

#3 I’ve been seeing videos where the 1.0 turbo city does 0-100km/h in less than 9 seconds. So acceleration to 100km/h, ok naman. Can’t say anything about turbo lag because we haven’t have the opportunity to drive a 1.0 honda turbo yet.

[Egan101]

Yup pero bottomline mas maliit kita kung turbo ipapasok tapos hindi itataas presyo. Even assuming 30-50k lang incremental cost of the turbo, that's already their whole margin per car (around 5-10% lang ang tubo for ~1M peso cars).

#2, noone gives a crap. How many people bought Ecoboost Ecosports/Fiestas vs the cheaper NA variants?

#3 - performance isn't as good on paper as it is in actuality. Posted a link above of how subjectively the turbo feels laggy which negates the flatter torque curve. Now with DOHC, the L15 also has a flatter powerband so the difference might not be huge.

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Exception ata ako sa mga Fiesta buyers before. The same way why we bought the XT over the Forester NA. Hehehe

I did test drive the car before buying one. Despite the turbo lag, the 1.0L definitely pulls better than a 1.5L NA. Specs state that torque peak starts at 1700 rpm but you can feel the car start pulling ahead at 2k rpm. When the engine is cold, the lag is more felt as you need to rev the car to 2500 rpm to give it a shove.

One of the best things about the Fiesta is its steering feel and response. The Jazz and City feels soft and light with its steering. The Fiesta felt firm and precise. It was even better than the steering feel of my XT. Among the Honda’s I have driven, the Accord feels best in terms of steering responsiveness. However, most people like their cars to have a softer steering feel.


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[jut703]

#2 dunno but I’m still seeing quite a number of old fiesta ecoboosts running around. May mga bumili naman because of the hype before. New ecosport wala na masyado. Pwede naman siguro sa city RS, naka turbo hehe. For sure, the RS won’t be the best seller even with the 1.5L NA.

#3 I’ve been seeing videos where the 1.0 turbo city does 0-100km/h in less than 9 seconds. So acceleration to 100km/h, ok naman. Can’t say anything about turbo lag because we haven’t have the opportunity to drive a 1.0 honda turbo yet.

Personally I wouldn't mind that the RS is 1.1M tapos may 1.0 turbo engine vs 1.068M now with a 1.5.

But then again from a business perspective that would mean carrying more parts for a second engine altogether. That entails inventory and training costs plus a reduction in scale efficiencies of the L15B.

As an enthusiast, it's easy to wish for the 1.0 turbo but from a business perspective I get why the lineup is one-engined only.

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[Egan101]

Personally I wouldn't mind that the RS is 1.1M tapos may 1.0 turbo engine vs 1.068M now with a 1.5.

But then again from a business perspective that would mean carrying more parts for a second engine altogether. That entails inventory and training costs plus a reduction in scale efficiencies of the L15B.

As an enthusiast, it's easy to wish for the 1.0 turbo but from a business perspective I get why the lineup is one-engined only.

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The same reason why HondaPH decided to drop the L13 engine from the City and Jazz. It is easier for inventory management.


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[jut703]

Exception ata ako sa mga Fiesta buyers before. The same way why we bought the XT over the Forester NA. Hehehe

I did test drive the car before buying one. Despite the turbo lag, the 1.0L definitely pulls better than a 1.5L NA. Specs state that torque peak starts at 1700 rpm but you can feel the car start pulling ahead at 2k rpm. When the engine is cold, the lag is more felt as you need to rev the car to 2500 rpm to give it a shove.

One of the best things about the Fiesta is its steering feel and response. The Jazz and City feels soft and light with its steering. The Fiesta felt firm and precise. It was even better than the steering feel of my XT. Among the Honda’s I have driven, the Accord feels best in terms of steering responsiveness. However, most people like their cars to have a softer steering feel.


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Fiesta 1.5 vs 1.0, hands down the 1.0 turbo is better by a mile. Sarap idrive ng Fiesta 1.0, feels like a go-kart with unrelenting pull (unlike Accent na nauubos).

But again, not the same case for the Honda 1.5 vs 1.0:
22 Honda City - Why we'd rather have the 1.5L NA engine over the 1.L Turbo | Wapcar

On paper, the 1.0-litre turbo engine wipes the floor with the 1.5-litre NA engine. It’s more fuel efficient whilst making more power and torque.
Having tested the 1.0-litre turbo, it didn’t translate those figures well in real-world driving. It felt lazy and it struggles to sustain high speeds. Plus, you can’t escape the inherent vibrate-y character.
As far as driving experience is concerned, it’s not an improvement over the 1.5-litre NA engine.

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[Egan101]

Fiesta 1.5 vs 1.0, hands down the 1.0 turbo is better by a mile. Sarap idrive ng Fiesta 1.0, feels like a go-kart with unrelenting pull (unlike Accent na nauubos).

But again, not the same case for the Honda 1.5 vs 1.0:
22 Honda City - Why we'd rather have the 1.5L NA engine over the 1.L Turbo | Wapcar




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Korek ka dyan bro! The Fiesta Ecoboost feels like a daily go kart. Once the torque picks up and you keep that pressure on the accelerator, the engine loves to rev to redline. Downside though is that suspension feels firm, very uncomfortable for the rear passengers if the driver is a bit aggressive.

Once in SLEX, an Accent CRDI tried to go toe-to-toe with me. The gap widened as I was going past 150 kmh. It’s either the Accent CRDi ran out of steam or the driver ran out of nerves.


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