What's happening on DILG?

[glenn manikis]

O.t. lang po... what if kung gusto ko magpasok ng bnew trucks dito fr. China? Madali lang ba? O mahabang processo?

[uls]

Pag ganyan ba sir uls... re. Foton pickup ... paano nila pinapasok dito yan?
Fr. China galing yun dba? Considered truck din ba yun? Saan dumadaan? Sa subic ba?

yes china

malamang subic coz that's why those guys are based

[uls]

O.t. lang po... what if kung gusto ko magpasok ng bnew trucks dito fr. China? Madali lang ba? O mahabang processo?

diba sabi mo nagpaparating ka ng genset from China

so same process din

[glenn manikis]

Malaki kasi yung truck hindi kasya sa 40foot container....
sir pwede po ba if you are free call kita pag naka balik na ako sa maynila?

[Retz]

ano kaya terms of payment nila dito?

[c_cube]

ano kaya terms of payment nila dito?

ang alam ko sa ganyan ang style gusto mabayadan agad para makuha yun "commission"

pero meron din garapal sa gobyerno na hindi pa nila bayad, gusto na kunin ang "commission"

[uls]

Malaki kasi yung truck hindi kasya sa 40foot container....
sir pwede po ba if you are free call kita pag naka balik na ako sa maynila?

pag di kasya sa container van so loose cargo

[uls]

i mean drivable roro

[A121]

the guys behind Foton are the same buys behind United Auctioneers

i dont know them personally but everybody in the industry (Japan used trucks & heavy machine importers) knows them to be very shrewd businessmen

and when they do things they do it big

so it's not surprising to us they're able to sell fleets of Foton vehicles to government agencies and private companies

naku, may naririnig nga rin ako dyan. minsan leading to a certain brand ang bid requirements. hihihihi

OT: kung sino man ang gumawa ng bid documents dapat nilagay:

* reputable brand that has been in the Philippines for more than 15 years.

LOL

[niky]

Same here... ang hirap pumasok dyan... gagstos ka pa sa bid docs. Ang tagal pa mag bayad...buwan ang aabutin ang transactions pati Payment, tapos parang ninong ka pa sa lahat.... then yung overprice, halos lahat naman napupunta din sakanila...

pero kung private co. --- send ka bus. Proposal, kung ok... p.o. na sila... pag na deliver mo goods mo, cod na agad.. almost no waiting time... not even a day..

Tengeneneng tragis na mahal na bid docs na yun. Parang ayaw nila na may mag-bid.

Dami pang hoops at red tape na kailangan i-satisfy para makabid man lang.

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Considering andami nang fleet sales at contracts yung Foton, medyo sureball na yun sa bidding war. Proven capacity to fulfill contract. Proven capital to supply items before full payment. Tapos mababa price.

If there's any technical specifications stipulated for the trucks, unless crash-test data are included, no way to disqualify the Blizzard. Include crash test data, and di rin papasa ang mga Japanese na low-end, since di naman crash-homologated ang commercial versions (wala pa ASEAN NCAP scores).

Kung mag-re-require ka ng ABS at safety gear, disqualified din ang low-end ng Japanese. Pasok naman ngayon ang Thunder, na kumpleto lahat at CRDi pa.

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The only way to prioritize quality over price is for an independent testing panel to grade the trucks on mechanical sound-ness and objective performance testing. In which case, cheapo base Japanese versus, say, the Thunder... eh... Foton pa rin.

[vinj]

Tengeneneng tragis na mahal na bid docs na yun. Parang ayaw nila na may mag-bid.

Dami pang hoops at red tape na kailangan i-satisfy para makabid man lang.

Companies that rely on gov't projects (i.e. contractors) usually have people whose employed skill is to work out the bidding process and serve as a bag man at times.

[niky]

Companies that rely on gov't projects (i.e. contractors) usually have people whose employed skill is to work out the bidding process and serve as a bag man at times.

Some of the big boys we've bid against and sometime sub-con for opine that the "lagay" is often not worth it given the margins. Hell, calculate the margins based on regular market rates, given the prescribed starting bid, and you're in the red right away. You need big capital and a direct line to overseas suppliers (for raw materials) to make it work at all.

It's still possible to insert some grease money, given the huge volume of the bids, but I think the stricter terms and starting bids do help to minimize it. At least for some of these projects, you know that the price the government itself pays is not inflated. (As long as the supplier does not cut corners)