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  1. Join Date
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    #11
    it is but logical...
    put the clearly read-able sign where the motorist still has a choice.
    don't put it where there is no choice anymore. and don't use signage that is difficult to read or easy to miss.
    so who can be blamed for this... unthinkingness?

    like that no left turn sign along bautista st. corner buendia... some time ago...
    linagay yung karatula nang ilang metro pa-loob ng kanto, kung saan natatakpan ng ibang karatula..
    sinita ako. i complained. pinalayas ako.
    a few weeks later, the sign dis-appeared. puede na muli kumaliwa.

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    #12
    Malabo iyang intersection.

    Kahit na nasa second to the outermost lane ka ng Katipunan, puwede ka pa ring mag left turn to CP Garcia....

    Naknang!!!....

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    #13
    Quote Originally Posted by archielew View Post
    Guys heads up ko lang kayo baka sakaling madaan kayo sa katipunan then cp garcia in the coming days. May bagong pakulo ang mga kaibigan nating MMDA dyan. Ang siste yung dalawang inner lane nilagyan nila ng divider. Ikaw kung matino kang driver and kung dati ka nang dumadaan dun pakaliwa ng CP Garcia, mapapagamit ka syempre nung inner lane thinking na kakaliwa ka. Pero sa dulo may harang yung papasok sa cp garcia at pag pilit mong pinasok, may susulpot na MMDA bigla. Dami nahuli kanina. Ako last week ko pa to nadiscover so pag daan ko kanina alam ko na gagawin. Dun ako sa third lane nanggaling pakaliwa. Masama ang palagay ko dyan talaga. Naglagay sila ng sign pero napaka-subtle. Maliit lang sya na sign na nakalagay "U Turn only" pero syempre kung mabilis ka, tapos madilim pa, at kung nakasanayan mo na gamitin yung way na yun, hindi mo talaga mapapansin yung sign unless nakapasok ka na dun sa may mga harang na. Nakakapag-init ng ulo, tinanong ko yung mga nakatao doon last week kung kelan pa yun, matagal na daw. E matagal na tapos hindi sila naglagay ng malaking sign para warningan mga tao? Try nyo daanan, hindi nyo talaga mapapansin sign, para lang syang scrap na dinikit sa mga puno don. Minessage ko top gear about dito pero na-deadma lang ako e. So dito na lang baka sakaling makatulong sa kapwa motorista.
    actually as early as of Febuary 2016 nandyan na iyan. or may bago nanamnan?

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    #14
    actually, nadale ako kahapon. before, yung two innermost lanes is used to do a left turn sa CPGarcia or U-Turn going back to Katips. ngayon, puro U-Turn na lang going to Katips.

    napwersa tuloy akong bumalik ng katips, and look for another u-turn slot (sa tapat ng Miriam) para makakaliwa lang ng CPGarcia.

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    #15
    Good intent but no proper signage. Only Katipunan regulars will understand that.

    They should also widen the cordoned lane for the U-turn as effectively only vehicle at a time can do the U-turn.

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    #16
    Quote Originally Posted by jettp0gi View Post
    Just finished uploading the video.

    Wala ako nakitang "U-Turn Only" sign (is it really there?). There is this big "U-Turn Slot" sign at the U-turn slot itself though. Also, sa positioning ng mga cones, isang sasakyan lang ang makakadaan at a time (kailangan mag-salitan nung nasa dalawang inner lanes). To make a a left turn to CP Garcia from the inner lanes, kailangan pa mag-swerve pa-kanan after the cones - which feels wrong.

    But indeed, pag lumiliko ka dito everyday, mapapa-pasok ka talaga sa 1st/2nd lane. But then again, medyo mali pag pinilit pa rin pumasok sa CP Garcia. So yield na lang dapat sa signs kahit na-mali ka lang ng pasok. Trap talaga sya sa mga mapilit.

    I agree though na maraming kulang/mali sa signage. Dapat may visible/large sign sa simula nung mga barikada/traffic cones. Medyo nakakadagdag sa pagka-lito din yung existence ng left-turn traffic light above the "U-Turn Slot" sign.
    Ngayon ko lang napanood yung vid mo. Wala nga din ako nakita. Probably dahil madilim - which means may mali talaga. Ang sign dapat kitang kita ng mga motorista!

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    #17
    Meron yang maliit mna signage na ala-EDSA bus lane signage din. Maliit lang talaga kaya mahirap mapansin, lalo na sa mga non Katips-CP Garcia regulars.

    Dun sa video, parang wala na ata [gawa madilim?], or baka nabangga at natanggal na?

    Quote Originally Posted by archielew View Post
    Sir by "may katagalan" I suppose wala pa pong 2 months? Kasi nung June lang nadaan din ako dyan at hindi pa ganun ang siste. Or did I just not notice it?
    Sir mukhang exag ata yung "katagalan" statement ko , pero IIRC end-May anjan na yan.

    Ayusin lang ng MMDA yan, maganda naman yung intention. Dati kasi nagiging sanhi ng bangaan yan [nadali officemate ko ng truck diyan sa intersection na yan mismo].

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    #18
    Quote Originally Posted by absinthe View Post
    Meron yang maliit mna signage na ala-EDSA bus lane signage din. Maliit lang talaga kaya mahirap mapansin, lalo na sa mga non Katips-CP Garcia regulars.

    Dun sa video, parang wala na ata [gawa madilim?], or baka nabangga at natanggal na?



    Sir mukhang exag ata yung "katagalan" statement ko , pero IIRC end-May anjan na yan.

    Ayusin lang ng MMDA yan, maganda naman yung intention. Dati kasi nagiging sanhi ng bangaan yan [nadali officemate ko ng truck diyan sa intersection na yan mismo].
    Sa video na kuha ko, daytime, kita yung sign. Tama ka maliit nga na parang sa bus lane. Pero ang labo non, dapat yon malayo pa lang nag-warn na sila e. e kaso yung sign nasa loob na ng mga harang so trapped ka na once makita mo sign.

    Agree naman ako good intent talaga, pero ang palagay ko kasing nangyayari dyan, sinasamantala ng mga abusadong enforcer e porket alam nilang maraming magkakamali dyan. Nagmessage ako sa MMDA Fb page and the reply was that they will forward the concern Traffic Discipline Office for appropriate action daw.

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    #19
    ^^ Kailangan pa ata masabihan ni Duterts ang MMDA na "stoppet"

    Ngayon kasi magnet for kotong yan.

    Malayo pa lang, dapat meron ng malaking signs to inform motorists. [ito observation ko satin, tipid at maliit road signage, unlike sa ibang bansa talagang sumisigaw sa laki yung sa kanila at malayo pa lang meron na].

    Kudos sir for mentioning concern to MMDA.

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    #20
    slightly OT

    been thinking about this and not sure if this can help solve the traffic in that area

    from this

    cp-old.png

    to this

    cp-new.png

    basically it transfers the u-turn slot going to UP Town for vehicles coming from UP/Balara at the intersection of CP Garcia and Katipunan

    * vehicles using the u-turn slot will have a bigger space to maneuver (those who use the current u-turn slot know how difficult it is, not to mention vehicles coming from Ateneo/Miriam seldom yield to you)
    * get to make use of the unused road and you are not blocking any traffic with the u-turn divider since the preceding lane from Ateneo/Miriam are used for u-turn as well.
    * better merging of traffic for vehicles using the u-turn slot and vehicles coming from Ateneo/Miriam

    what do you guys think? what disadvantages do you see? maybe there are things that i'm missing that's why the MMDA hasn't implemented this.

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