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    #41
    Quote Originally Posted by boybi
    kahit gaano kagago mga PSG, isipin pa rin natin kung gaano ka tense para sa kanila ang i-secure ang buhay ng presidente, lalo na't ang daming galit ke GMA. kelangan alert sila parati sa surroundings. kaya kung may napansin lang silang may gustong mag overtake, humarang, or ayaw tumabi, they should immediately factor in the possibility of an attack against the president. buti nga at padyak lang ang inabot nung van at hindi ito niratrat ng armalite.

    kaya parating tumabi kapag dadaan ang convoy ng presidente, mahirap bang gawin yun? iisa lang naman ang presidente at hindi nyo naman ito araw araw makakasalubong, unless nakatira ka sa gilid ng malacanang.
    that's such a lame excuse. if the PSG people can't keep their cool under pressure then they should quit their jobs so their boss can find more qualified and better trained bodyguards for the president. at hindi madaling tumabi sa gilid ng kalye pag sobrang traffic.

    if a PSG staff hit your car (or shoot at you and your car) and then he/she said afterwards "pasensya ka na. stressful kase trabaho namin kaya kita niratrat ng M-16. pero pag di kami masyadong stressed nananadyak lang kami", OK lang ba yun? pano kung family mo tinamaan nung niratrat oto mo? and in this case, the van wasn't overtaking the convoy at all. hindi lang sya nakatabi agad dahil sa traffic.

    mas madali sana sila pagpasensyahan kung matino pagpapatakbo nila sa bansa. pero puro anomalya nangyayari sa gobyerno, nakaw dito, kurakot doon, tapos tatadyakan pa sasakayan ng tax payers?

    why shoud the tax payers be at the mercy of the people who live on their taxes? tsk tsk

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    #42
    Quote Originally Posted by woulfe27
    that's such a lame excuse. if the PSG people can't keep their cool under pressure then they should quit their jobs so their boss can find more qualified and better trained bodyguards for the president. at hindi madaling tumabi sa gilid ng kalye pag sobrang traffic.

    if a PSG staff hit your car (or shoot at you and your car) and then he/she said afterwards "pasensya ka na. stressful kase trabaho namin kaya kita niratrat ng M-16. pero pag di kami masyadong stressed nananadyak lang kami", OK lang ba yun? pano kung family mo tinamaan nung niratrat oto mo? and in this case, the van wasn't overtaking the convoy at all. hindi lang sya nakatabi agad dahil sa traffic.

    mas madali sana sila pagpasensyahan kung matino pagpapatakbo nila sa bansa. pero puro anomalya nangyayari sa gobyerno, nakaw dito, kurakot doon, tapos tatadyakan pa sasakayan ng tax payers?

    why shoud the tax payers be at the mercy of the people who live on their taxes? tsk tsk

    same sentiments here bro...... masyado lang mababait mga pilipino kaya nakakalusot ang mga ganyang tao sa pilipinas! kung sa abroad yan, baka sunod-sunod na assasination attempt kay gma

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    problema kasi dito, you have a bunch of guys with power, they abuse it. Its like they're above the law and worst they think they're above the law.

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    #44
    same sentiments..

    kakainis lang, pero hayaan na lang. mas mahala buhay nten.

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    #45
    Quote Originally Posted by ILuvDetailing
    problema kasi dito, you have a bunch of guys with power, they abuse it. Its like they're above the law and worst they think they're above the law.
    At may magagawa ba tayo? Mayroon, IF you are filthy rich, a relative of a politician, or an untouchable criminal, THEN you can! This is the reality of life in this country. What's the point in complaining when we can't do anything about it?

    And of course, when that PSG guy is confronted, maraming rason yan. As I keep saying, 'Basta may maraming katwiran ka, TAMA KA!' hhehehe!

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    #46
    Quote Originally Posted by boybi
    kahit gaano kagago mga PSG, isipin pa rin natin kung gaano ka tense para sa kanila ang i-secure ang buhay ng presidente, lalo na't ang daming galit ke GMA. kelangan alert sila parati sa surroundings. kaya kung may napansin lang silang may gustong mag overtake, humarang, or ayaw tumabi, they should immediately factor in the possibility of an attack against the president. buti nga at padyak lang ang inabot nung van at hindi ito niratrat ng armalite.

    kaya parating tumabi kapag dadaan ang convoy ng presidente, mahirap bang gawin yun? iisa lang naman ang presidente at hindi nyo naman ito araw araw makakasalubong, unless nakatira ka sa gilid ng malacanang.
    good point...

    yung iba kasing tao eh ayaw pa tumabi...

    btw... yung convoy ni GMA... may megaphone yung lead escort who politely asks motorists to give way...

  7. #47
    Ofcourse when you see a PSG convoy tatabi ka, pero kung di ka makatabi dahil ipit ka (according to the news), at tinandiyakan oto mo, tama ba yun? Is it justified dahil PSG sila at palagi silang may right of way? Which is basically the issue here

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    #48
    Quote Originally Posted by boybi

    kaya parating tumabi kapag dadaan ang convoy ng presidente, mahirap bang gawin yun? iisa lang naman ang presidente at hindi nyo naman ito araw araw makakasalubong, unless nakatira ka sa gilid ng malacanang.
    Pro-GMA si boybi lol! :hihihi:

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    #49
    Quote Originally Posted by woulfe27
    that's such a lame excuse. if the PSG people can't keep their cool under pressure then they should quit their jobs so their boss can find more qualified and better trained bodyguards for the president. at hindi madaling tumabi sa gilid ng kalye pag sobrang traffic.

    if a PSG staff hit your car (or shoot at you and your car) and then he/she said afterwards "pasensya ka na. stressful kase trabaho namin kaya kita niratrat ng M-16. pero pag di kami masyadong stressed nananadyak lang kami", OK lang ba yun? pano kung family mo tinamaan nung niratrat oto mo? and in this case, the van wasn't overtaking the convoy at all. hindi lang sya nakatabi agad dahil sa traffic.

    mas madali sana sila pagpasensyahan kung matino pagpapatakbo nila sa bansa. pero puro anomalya nangyayari sa gobyerno, nakaw dito, kurakot doon, tapos tatadyakan pa sasakayan ng tax payers?

    why shoud the tax payers be at the mercy of the people who live on their taxes? tsk tsk


    amen bro....

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    #50
    Quote Originally Posted by ILuvDetailing
    Ofcourse when you see a PSG convoy tatabi ka, pero kung di ka makatabi dahil ipit ka (according to the news), at tinandiyakan oto mo, tama ba yun? Is it justified dahil PSG sila at palagi silang may right of way? Which is basically the issue here
    lalo na kung yun street eh sobrang congested na tapos mamadaliin ka pa ng mga escort na yan na itabi yun sasakyan mo eh sobrang sikip na nga ng kalsada... siguro naman di masamang maghintay sila kahit sandali para maitabi mo ng maayos yun sasakyan.

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    #51
    guys, easy on private cars na nagwawang wang... may mga private cars naman na nagwawang wang on a legitimate call... siguro one way to "filter" is kung papitik-pitik lang ba siya ng wang wang niya, as in ginagamit na busina, or kung malayo pa lang, bumabalahaw na... kung malayo pa lang, naka ilaw at wang wang na siya, malamang paresponde po talaga yun... unlike dun sa mga power trippers na papitik-pitik lang... it's sad na pati yung mga legitimate users nadadamay sa kalokohan ng mga wang wangerong wala sa ayos...

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    #52
    kahit me megaphone yung lead car, kung talagang traffic pano gagawin ng drivers? di naman nya pwede buhatin yung kotse nya at ibaba na lang ulit sa kalye pag nakadaan yung convoy. kung maluwag yung kalye at ayaw talaga tumabi nung sasakyan, then by all means, the PSG should use reasonable force. iisa na nga lang ang presidente natin, abusado pa mga tao nya. e di lalo na kung me presidente na, me prime minister pa. double whammy.

    and one of the reasons kaya matrapik is walang political will si GMA (and her predecessors) to solve the traffic problem in the country. ayaw nya ma-offend ang jeepney drivers kse members sila ng transport groups at pwede mag-strike. same with IMBOA. we have the clean air act which is supposed to remove unworthy vehicles off the roads, pero nirerehistro din ng LTO pagkatapos maglagay sa emission testing centers. she knows the LTO is one of the most corrrupt agencies, but she's not doing anything substantial to fix this age-old problem. then magagalit yung bodyguards nya kse di sila agad makalusot sa traffic.

    it doesn't matter if it's GMA or any of the corrupt officials we have in government. pero konting respeto naman sa taxpayers. ninanakawan na nga nila, tatadyakan pa. tapos mapapraning sila dahil madami silang kaaway.

    mamamayan ang bumubuhay sa gobyerno, not the other way around. the country can survive without GMA (an understatement), but can it survive without the taxpayers?
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    #53
    let us all be more realistic. tumabi nalang tayo. kung hindi makatabi dahil ipit or matraffic, sorry nalang, baka talagang tinamaan ka ng malas nung time na yun.

    sa mga nagsasabing mali ang ginagawa nilang pananadyak, anong gagawin nyo kapag kayo yung natadyakan? will you confront them? magdedemanda ba kayo? magsumbong sa media? sa palagay ko, less than 5% lang ng mga tsikoteers ang gagawa nyan. yung 95% e magpopost nalang dito sa tsikot

    kaya, tumabi nalang hangga't maaari.
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    #54
    tama. magsumbong sa media. kung me huge logo ng GMA-7 or ABS-CBN yung van, i don't think tatadyakan ng PSG yun :D

    me kinakatakutan din naman ang mga yan. at pag pinasukan ng media yan, magaalangan na sila ulitin yung kagaguhan. did anybody see those two army officers who were berated by tulfo in front of gen. palparan after they tortured innocent civilians? ang hihinhin ng mga kups sa harap ng camera!

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    #55
    hindi ba highly publicised sa media yung incident sa NLEX a few years back? nagbago ba ang PSG? HINDI. kasi kung nagbago sila, wala itong thread na ito

    so, uulitin ko, tumabi nalang kayo.
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    #56
    Guys listen up..PSG is like a little GHQ,AFP it has 3 major services (Army,navy(marines)Airforce) taking care of the security of the President and not to mention the PNP motorcycle units of which involved in that incident.
    They have undergone VIP Protection training by the US and Israel which their main objective is to protect the president of the Phil from any harm, IF they will make their ultimate sacrifice to give their life so be it.
    IMHO the PSG did what they supposed to do they have different tasks to perform and it so happened the the Van didnt stop nor gave way to a convoy of the president.
    If you observed some motorists are not aware of the rules on traffic road courtesy,you would see ambulance being followed by cars so they avoid traffic,Fire truck being blocked by motorists,Private cars not giving way to a Military convoy etc...
    So fellow tsikoteers if you happen to see and hear sirens of the convoy of the President just pull over beside you have nothing to loose.

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    #57
    Point well taken. But everyone should be adaptable to the situation. The van had nowhere else to go. There was a road digging (courtesy of the government also) and traffic was at a standstill. So does that give the Israeli-spaghetti-fetuccine-trained PSG the right to damage the vehicle? Maybe they should have just killed all the occupants and detonated the vehicle so their progress would not be impeded.

    In the case of my bro, they (whatever hot-headed PSG branch that was) had to pay damages. Otherwise, araw-araw nilang makikita yung damage ng sinira nilang kotse. hahaha.

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    #58
    it depends na lang siguro sa mga taga-PSG. which is more important or liveable for them? under fire from the people bec. they abused motorists & property or under fire from the people bec. they lost a president (just an example, knock on wood.)

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    #59
    Damaging vehicle's is not exactly a sure fire way of ensuring survivability. They could have just told the driver to move before expending any effort on actually damaging it.

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    #60
    Dudes,
    I agree with Jelog and Boybi. Tumabi na lang tayo kapag dadaan ang presidente wich is a simple thing to do. Approx 10 to 20 meters prior to the head of the convoy you can already hear the siren or the "hagads" moving around so that gives you time where you could find a place or maneuver to give way to the president.

    Hmmm, appropriate title siguro is "PSG nanadyak ng van". The issue here is not the president.

    Cheers!

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