"Cagers and Riders Friendly Coexistence" Thread

[Bogeyman]

or is he referring that we should have double standards between the MC riders here in the Metro & in the provinces?

God, I hope not, or else I'd have a worse opinion of him by now...

aba... dba sa kabilang thread malaki ang sweldo ng mga pogi?

'Di yata ako papasa dun. :D

[ILuvDetailing]

SEALANDER: Like I said it works both ways. Madaming mga iresponsible car and motorcycle drivers. Sinong mas madami? Well... does it matter? Point is to drive carefully and equip yourselves with the proper gear when riding. Its good that MC guys hear shared their concerns... in the end all of us will benefit with the additional information gathered between us forumers.

[see16]

sa ibang provinces pre... upto 10 ang kaya nila ilagay sa motor... (may parang plank para magkasya... hehehe)...

ang kulet nga!!!

Very true. Sa Dumaguete ang tawag dyan eh habal habal. Tapos halos lahat ng motorsiklo dun ay walang side mirror. Baduy daw. Para sa kaligtasan na nila baduy pa. Aysus!

[SEALANDER]

Are you sure with that quote? Think again my friend, maybe in other countries, but in the Philippines? mmm...

On the expressway, by design traffic movement is highly predictable to all road users..please read these links..

http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/Myths.php
http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pag...l.php...please read paragraph 3
http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/freewayOSG.php

[ILuvDetailing]

OK. I see your point.

[mazdamazda]

Motorcycles are 36% of the national vehicle population and average 1 accident in eight years.

Tricycles are 20% of the national vehicle population and average 1 accident in every six years.

Trucks are 10% of the national vehicle population and average 1 accident about every 9 months.

Cars are 33% of the national vehicle population and average 1 accident every 8 months.

Buses are 1% of the national vehicle population and average 1 accident every 4 months.

how was this statistics taken? how would you classify an "accident"?

if this is just basing on filed police reports then this is VERY inaccurate.

specifically for MC riders... if a rider falls of his bike (even those he only gets a few scrapes and bruises) shouldn't that be considered an accident? would a biker go the PNP TMG and already report this?

if a Tricycle scrapes the bumper of your vehicle... do you go the police station to report it? no... you just try to settle this amicably.

in contrast, a car has a minor fender bender. he files this as an "accident" to claim for insurance.

[dyohpri]

no question about how good you drive. it's just that, accidents do happen, and you're not the only one on the road. if you're braking distance is farther (when in an ineluctable circumstance - accident), you risk yourself more.

Drive responsibly dudes and hope for no accidents.
peace out! INUMAN NAAAAAA!!!

definitely! and no question on what you ride or drive, bike or cage. accidents do happen in any peeps under the sun. neh?

but the proper way of taking precaution lessen these.

[SEALANDER]

SEALANDER: Like I said it works both ways. Madaming mga iresponsible car and motorcycle drivers. Sinong mas madami? Well... does it matter? Point is to drive carefully and equip yourselves with the proper gear when riding. Its good that MC guys hear shared their concerns... in the end all of us will benefit with the additional information gathered between us forumers.

I agree with you. and it doesn't matter sino mas madami. and i wear the proper gear. wont ride a bike without it coz i feel naked. Para kasi kaming riders ay nuisance sa inyong mga cagers. So like you said "it works both ways". So lets just all share whatever road space there is left for all of us. be it MC's or cages. kung may loko loko na rider pag pasensyahan mo na lang. On my part kung may loko=loko din na cager..i'll let him be. safe pa for all of us. oks..

[Eco_xxx]

Hi guys,

Whew, haba ng thread. Just wanna give my 2 cents.

Huwag na po pagtalunan kung ano mas safe sakyan, kung saan mas maraming naaaksidente. Mas mabuting pag-usapan kung paano magiging safe sa daan.

Paalala lamang po, ang mga motorsiklo lalo na ang mga malilliit ay tinatayang dadami sa taong ito at sa susunod pang mga taon. Katunayan ang ilang leading motorksiklo ay nag expand na ng operation sa Pilipinas at nagdagdag na rin ng produksyon.

Sa palagay ko, karamihan po ng mga riders ngayon ay pinili ang motorsiklo sa kadahilanang ekonomiya. Mas mura nga naman mag motor kaysa sumakay ng jeep o bus na pag minalas pa e mahoholdap o madudukutan o maaksidente. Sympre pwede ka rin malasin sa motor. ‘Yung pamasahe sa loob ng isang buwan ay pwede ng ipanghulog sa monthly amortization. Mas murang mamalengke sakay ng scooter kaysa sumakay ng tricycle. Mas mabilis makarating sa trabaho kaysa mag-commute.

Sa palagay ko karamihan ng MC riders, ang nasa isip lagi ay makauwi ng maayos sa kani kanilang pamilya. Maaring ang iba ay malikot sa daan pero kalkulado bawat kilos dahil kung hindi palagay ko oras-oras may aksidente ng motor.

Marami din MC riders ang walang disiplina. Kaya nga kailangan ng patuloy na edukasyon. Kaya din maraming MC Club na ngayon sa Pilipinas, salamat sa MotorcyclePhilippines.com at iba pang organisasypon.

At para naman doon sa mga “only in the Philippines” na nakikita nating motor sa daan, e ganun talaga dahil sa kasalukuyang lagay ng individual na buhay e yun ang kayang gawin. Makapamasyal buong pamilya ng sama sama, makapag hanapbuhay ng ganun. Siguro ang maitutulong natin sa kanila ay tulungan natin ang kanilang kaligtasan kapag nakita natin sila either thru reaching out tulad ng ginagawa ng MotorcyclePhilippines at mga MC clubs. Yung mag slow down ka kapag naka cage kapag nakakita ng ang daming sakay sa motorskilo e malaking tulong na sa kanilang kaligtasan.

IMO, Isa sa kailangan ng mga MC riders ay pag respeto at pagkilala bilang kabahagi sa daan ng mga cagers at alam ko ganun din naman ang mga cagers. Sa madaling salita, respeto at pagbibigayan sa daan.

Habang buhay na po tayong magkikita-kita sa daan. At sigurado po dadami pa ang motorsiklo na sa tingin ko ang iisipin ng mga ilang cagers ay nightmare sa kanila. Ganun din po kasi ang dating iniisip ko sa mga private cars nung commute pa ko sa pagpasok sa trabaho. Biro mo tuwing umaga ang daming private cars, ang sakay isa o dalawa lang tapos ang laki ng okupado sa daan, e ang liit-liit ng mga daan dito sa atin, trapik tuloy na katakot takot.

Teka haba na yata ng sinabi ko. Putulin ko na muna dito—ANG SARAP MAG MOTOR!!! We enjoy our motorcycles—speed and skills—during group rides. Every ride in the province, we meet new friends. We share experiences and skills. We share happy moments. And we use our skills in the jungle everyday para makapasok sa trabaho at makauwi ng safe sa pamilya. At isa sa pinakamahalaga dito ay ang DISIPLINA AT PASENSYA SA DAAN.



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eco

[SEALANDER]

how was this statistics taken? how would you classify an "accident"?

if this is just basing on filed police reports then this is VERY inaccurate.

specifically for MC riders... if a rider falls of his bike (even those he only gets a few scrapes and bruises) shouldn't that be considered an accident? would a biker go the PNP TMG and already report this?

if a Tricycle scrapes the bumper of your vehicle... do you go the police station to report it? no... you just try to settle this amicably.

in contrast, a car has a minor fender bender. he files this as an "accident" to claim for insurance.

Those were based on statistics supplied by the PNP-TMG & LTO. If a rider falls off his bike because he had an accident involving another vehicle then he would definitely report it. If you fell off your bicycle (with a few scrapes and bruises) would you consider that an accident? would you report it??

If a car has a minor fender bender..he files this as an accident to claim insurance??? YES...but after the offending driver has paid for the damages..double claim di ba?? of course you know this..

[JAYarc]

basta ako yung skills ko sa pag MC at Tsikot ehh magandang supplement ehh para maging DEFENSIVE raider/driver... minsan di maiiwasan na may nabwisit dahil sa di sadyang pagakakamali, kaya ako i rise my hand to please for forgiveness, mapa nasa MC or tsikot, atleast medyo nabawasan ang tension/stress/at sama ng loob in both party..

basta curtesy nalang sa sarili at sa co raider/driver, para masaya lahat..>>

[alwayz_yummy]

agreed. pero di ba dapat ganun talaga in the first place?

in an accident, everyone suffers whether yng nabunggo or naka-bunggo. we are all victims. whether financially, physically or psychologically.

i mean is na kalimitan, even if the fault is of the rider...we drivers take all the blame.....eto ang experience ko..kaya eto ang gusto ko iparating....

ask ko lang, how many rider were charged with reckless imprudence due to his own action against with an accident with a driver?

kalimitan nga,legally, kami naiipit ang criminally charge kahit di namin kasalana ng accidente...eto ang kaso ko sa other thread..

not my fault,i helped the victim, pero im charged criminally!

[morrissey_05]

alwayz_yummy,
Ah now i see where you are coming from. dude, if i had it my way, liability would fall to both rider and driver. kaya lang, the law is harsh, but it is the law. dont get me wrong bro, i sympathize.

ask ko lang, how many rider were charged with reckless imprudence due to his own action against with an accident with a driver?

- i say, let the chips fall where they may. if a rider has been proven during the investigation and hearing of his recklessness, dapat prosecute. kung meron liability pero alang he gets away with it, shame on our authorities! its time to seek redress. btw, riders also have their fair share of run-ins with the law, thats an aside lang po.

again po, both parties in an accident suffer. agree? and i feel your pain bro. and i hope one day you will lose whatever feelings, ill or otherwise, you have for riders.

cheers!!

[morrissey_05]

no question about how good you drive. it's just that, accidents do happen, and you're not the only one on the road. if you're braking distance is farther (when in an ineluctable circumstance - accident), you risk yourself more.


Sir Eojlin,
Sorry but I disagree. Its a matter of skill, skill and more skill. Any rider worth his salt looks way ahead very hard to anticipate any situation. i think this is taught and stressed in riding schools.

siguro if you do that behind the wheel, you double or triple that kind of anticipation when riding so as to come up with your options (escape routes) very early on. i presume its a given for riders because its a matter of life and death for them.

of course, this will not assure there will be no accidents (just like in a car) but its a risk-minimizing/risk-eliminating action that is, and correct me if im wrong here MC people, almost second nature.

so, if the braking distance is farther, any rider worth his salt will anticipate the road situation way way before to compensate for the large braking distance and execute his escape i.e. nasa diskarte na nya yun. nagkatalo na lang tayo dito siguro e sa diskarte ng mga sira-ulong nagmomotor (when they weave in and out like crazy!) hehehe

Risks? ah life's great unknown. its all the same to me, i think. i love to ride but i can very well die behind the wheel of my car. I love to drive too but i can have a motorcycle accident and pfft! Kung panahon na, panahon na.

did i make any sense guys? hehehe i'm just relating my experience on the roads behind the wheel and on the saddle of both bicycles and motorcycles, which i hope will add to the depth of the discussion.

[Eco_xxx]

ask ko lang, how many rider were charged with reckless imprudence due to his own action against with an accident with a driver?

Lahat tayo can be a victim of such considering how the system works and how individual thinks.

BTW, kahanga hanga yung pagtulong mo sa rider.

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ECO

[ILuvDetailing]

Anticipation... thats the key.

[Wolver888]

....Bottom line: Lahat tayo pwedeng umahon sa kahirapan. You can work as hard as you can all your life, but for as long as wala kang konsiderasyon sa buhay at kapakanan ng kapwa mo, mananatili kang mahirap. My two cents.....

Hehehehe, not generally true. Only some will. Kaya nga daming yumayaman na corrupt officials dahil corrupt. Bihira na ngayon ang mahirap na yayaman ng tuluyan dahil sa sipag .... unless may malaki syang puhunan para mas-umangat. Meron nga kilala ko, super hirap, nanalo ng lotto, hayun, demonyo ang ikinalabasan nya. Sa pagka demonyo nya, naging gahaman sa pera at pati dati nya kapwa mahirap "sinasagasaan nya".

Yung mga nakikita nyong walang helmet, mga pasaway yan, mga walang alam sa safety, alam safety siguro pero walang paki-alam ..... dito sa amin, naguumpisa nang kumalat ang mga ganyan na helmetless bikers, fortunately, sa club namin may ride rules akong ginawa na dapat sundan ... at hopefully yung ride rules namin ay lumabas from the club, I mean ma-educate sana thru usapusapan at malaman na kami ng club ang isang example.

Fellow Bikers, hindi talaga tama yung mga nakikita nating mga commute bikes na halos patong patong na ang mga pasahero. Wala na nga helmet, halos circus act pa ang image. Ang motorcycle, gawa talaga na hanggang pang dalawahan lang. Regarding safety po ang concern ko. Peace.

[Wolver888]

PS: sana magka-soiree tayong mga Tsikoteers and MCP people. enjoy yun shucks! hehehe

:cheers:

[O!lman]

uy pogi ka daw sir bogeyman.

[FPJ]

Road courtesy for All is the best solution for all these argument! Worthy discussion! SMB nga dyan! :car: :bike: