Ethanol Study on E20... not very good news...

[niky]

Oh, so it's old, but it's something to share.

http://www.environment.gov.au/atmosp...4/summary.html

Note that though increased emissions weren't so dramatic with all cars, increased emissions and wear were exhibited by all cars. (None of which are guaranteed ethanol ready).

[Ventoy]

It apears that this E10 is likely can cause premature damage to our engine, if always use, even compatible or if keep on trying blend this fuel to an ordinary fuel use in our car. So, instead of savings there could be an empending big expense behind on the major repairs or overhaulling jobs on waiting. This could be reminder to all tsikotters beware on this E blend

[kiper]

Shell E-10 gamit ko ngayon sa escape. Okay lang ba to? Wala naman difference in terms of performance. Ung sa fuel economy, binabantayan ko pa kung may improvement. Masmura lang ng 50 centavos. Kung wala din ako makitang improvement sa consumption balik na lang ako sa unleaded 93 RON.

[ghosthunter]

Shell E-10 gamit ko ngayon sa escape. Okay lang ba to? Wala naman difference in terms of performance. Ung sa fuel economy, binabantayan ko pa kung may improvement. Masmura lang ng 50 centavos. Kung wala din ako makitang improvement sa consumption balik na lang ako sa unleaded 93 RON.

if I am right... using ethanol blended gasoline would result in increase fuel consumption which would offset that 50 centavo per liter savings.

Moral of the story, stick with unleaded gasoline.

[Horsepower]

Biofuels were not made for better mileage, instead, for easing the environmental impact of burning fossil fuels by substituting some of it.

[m_ron]

Sold all my ethanol stocks. Ethanol is not the way to go.

[glntVR]

It apears that this E10 is likely can cause premature damage to our engine, if always use, even compatible or if keep on trying blend this fuel to an ordinary fuel use in our car. So, instead of savings there could be an empending big expense behind on the major repairs or overhaulling jobs on waiting. This could be reminder to all tsikotters beware on this E blend

Ha? Hindi ko maintindihan sinasabi mo.

[NazQ]

Ha? Hindi ko maintindihan sinasabi mo.

try kitang tulungan,

Ventoy's post reworded:

It appears that E-10 can cause premature damage to our cars engines. Even ordinary cars which are E-10 compatible can be damaged thru continuous use of this type of fuel. So instead of saving money, we would have to spend more for cost of impending major repairs such as overhauling the engine. This is just a reminder to all tsikoteers to beware of using E10.

my comment: ngayon ko lang nabasa to ha, so according to the study parang walang major benefits / advantages ang e-10 sa gasoline. lalo na pag mas matagal na ginaamit, mas malala pa ang emission pati wear and tear.

[Asus700]

try kitang tulungan,



my comment: ngayon ko lang nabasa to ha, so according to the study parang walang major benefits / advantages ang e-10 sa gasoline. lalo na pag mas matagal na ginaamit, mas malala pa ang emission pati wear and tear.

The study was for E-20, 20% blend of ethanol as opposed to what is being sold here na E-10 which is 10% blend lang. E-10 is being sold na in Autralia as an alternative parang dito sa pinas.

I guess they did a study to know the effect of a higher blend of ethanol.\

If i can remember correctly toyota does not recommend it (E-10) since it leads to premature wear of rubber parts where the fuel passes through.

[mazdamazda]

yup... e20 ang study...

the biofuel law only requires an e5 blend (please correct me if am wrong). the e10 blend is currently being sold by some gasoline retailers.

e20 is already a strong blend and only a few vehicles are engineered (like the focus) to handle the more corrosive fuel. e10 is generally ok for MOST vehicles.

[Camgen6]

Ang pagkaka-alam ko na benefit ng ethanol blend ay higher octane? tama ba?
Dito sa SoCal, lahat yata ng gasoline station ay mix na ang ethanol, I think it's the law. Some Shell gas stations eh may naka lagay sa pump na "It may contain up to 10% Ethanol".

[bankai]

if I am right... using ethanol blended gasoline would result in increase fuel consumption which would offset that 50 centavo per liter savings.

Moral of the story, stick with unleaded gasoline.

i agree mas madali maubos ang E10, im driving 06 civic, now im using SHELL, PETRON, CALTEX 95 RON, it has better consumption

[niky]

RE: Ford Escape: I'm not sure, but a post on the Ford boards suggests the Escape is good for up to E10/E20.

Yes, E20 is much more corrosive than E10 or E5, but the aim of the government is to go for higher and higher blends over the next few years. They should really take this into account.

Of course, since Philippine emissions laws don't cover NOx, we're still relatively safe in that regard... but it's still worrying for owners of older vehicles.

[badkuk]

hmm...how do you explain brazil then? some of their cars are running on 100% ethanol

[niky]

Cars built to run on alcohol only. Brazil only recently started to get "flex-fuel" vehicles.

The only locally sold car that might be able to handle that may be the Explorer, which is good for up to E85... although, weirdly, Ford doesn't advertise the fact... well not so weird, since we don't have E85 locally.

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Very very few cars can run on anything ABOVE E-10 (10% ethanol/90% unleaded). So far, I only of the Focus and Ford Explorer.

Other than those vehicles, E-20 and above is NOT safe at the moment.

Plus, Ethanol sold here is not yet manufactured dito sa bansa (import from Brazil and Australia) unlike Biodiesel (na gawa ng Chemrez Inc.).

Inaamin ko na the cost is low (Shell E-10 vs. Shell Super Unleaded) pero IT CAN AND SHOULD GO DOWN LOWER.

[CPY61]

Inaamin ko na the cost is low (Shell E-10 vs. Shell Super Unleaded) pero IT CAN AND SHOULD GO DOWN LOWER. Today 11:26 AM

I agree with you bro, sana nga mga 2.00 - 4.00 pesos price difference so that talagang worth the try. and besides, this ethanol thing will help our country reduce our oil imports by at least 2-5% a year(just my estimates).

[pup2]

AFAIK kahit 5% lang ang mandated ng BFL on TOTAL gas production, there are automatic provisions for its increase up to 20% -- wala pa nga lang implementing R&R yung beyond the 5%.

Pero do we even know if the 5%-10% causes premature wear and tear? Because if so, it will be totally counter-productive to carbon reduction!

[ghosthunter]

Pero do we even know if the 5%-10% causes premature wear and tear? Because if so, it will be totally counter-productive to carbon reduction!

I am not willing to put my engine to premature wear & tear to the kind of Sci&Tech background of the government we have here.

Not to mention, ethanol reduces fuel milage. It might save the country dollars at the cost of your hard earned pesos when you fuel up your car.

[userfriendly]

The study was for E-20, 20% blend of ethanol as opposed to what is being sold here na E-10 which is 10% blend lang. E-10 is being sold na in Autralia as an alternative parang dito sa pinas.

I guess they did a study to know the effect of a higher blend of ethanol.\

If i can remember correctly toyota does not recommend it (E-10) since it leads to premature wear of rubber parts where the fuel passes through.

I think this is true for the Philippines. But when I was working in Canada, I was driving a Toyota Sienna, the manual states that you can use fuel with up to 10% ethanol.